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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria
EazyMoney
post Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
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Anyway, just a shoutout.


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EvilAsianDude
post Jun 11 2009, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Chinese have to stop their childish "Korea claims this and that" screaming.

Once and for all.


Agreed/

QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own post for you.



Hmm, I don't see a "most" here.


Then learn to read

Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief encouraged/supported by the government, media, mainstream etc.

I think its obvious to anyone whos not an idiot that I wasnt implying every single person in Korea. Afterall, I cant read the minds of every single Korean. To bad you dont realize this obvious fact.

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So, in other words, you're arguing three points, not one:

1. The government does not encourage or support taking Manchuria

2. The media does not encourage or support taking Manchuria

3. The mainstream does not encourage or support taking Manchuria


It means that most Koreans do not care or want to take over Manchuria. Whats so difficult to understand?

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Translation: any Chinese belief that Korea might have territorial plans on Manchuria is a flat-out lie, because even though our "greatest historian" called for Korea to take Manchuria, and some of our politicians support this, we have no designs on it whatsoever.


Greatest historian? Really. So they held the history olympics in Korea to see who was the greatest historian of all time.

WOW AWESOME!(it still doesnt change the fact that your arguments are idiotic, and you again fail to realize that the opinions of a historian is still the opinions of a single individual).

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Translation: any claim that Korea might have revanchist designs on Manchuria is a delusional lie because I said so, even though prominent Western scholars have noted that this is a reasonable fear on China's part.


Read my China punching brick wall and getting mad at brick wall analogy. Its just so funny how Chinese nationalists start false rumors get so worked up at those rumors. Its like pouring gasoline(rumors) into a fire(Korea) and when they(Chinese nationalist) gets burnt(feelings hurt). Its the fires(Koreas) fault.

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post Jun 11 2009, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:34 PM) *
Then learn to read

Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief encouraged/supported by the government, media, mainstream etc.

I think its obvious to anyone whos not an idiot that I wasnt implying every single person in Korea. Afterall, I cant read the minds of every single Korean. To bad you dont realize this obvious fact.


So you can't read the minds of every single Korean but you can read the minds of most Koreans, including the government, the media, and the mainstream? Lawl. What a stupid argument. I pointed out this part of your post to emphasize the fact that you did not state "most Koreans do not believe in taking Manchuria." You said something very different, which you EXPECT people to interpret EXACTLY as you meant it, even though the sentences themselves don't say EXACTLY what you mean. The primary problem I had with your post is that you seem to think that the opinion in question is some sort of fringe opinion supported by only whackos, when in fact it is supported by some of your respected politicians and famous historians. It is NOT the equivalent of "Mao Zedong is Korean." It has very deep historical and political roots.

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It means that most Koreans do not care or want to take over Manchuria. Whats so difficult to understand?


What makes you think I don't know this? That's YOUR misinterpretation, not mine.

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Greatest historian? Really. So they held the history olympics in Korea to see who was the greatest historian of all time.


Someone is labeled "greatest historian" by the establishment - usually the intellectual or political establishment. Shin Chae-Ho didn't get this label for no reason. You should read into it.

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WOW AWESOME!(it still doesnt change the fact that your arguments are idiotic, and you again fail to realize that the opinions of a historian is still the opinions of a single individual).


So what? The opinion of Mao Zedong is still the opinion of a single individual, but fu-k if it didn't shape the course of modern Chinese history. You're trying to argue that the Korean claim on Manchuria is a non-existent threat because "most Koreans" do not care. That's simply a logical fallacy. Most Koreans do not make Korean policy. Korean politicians make Korean policy, and their views are fundamentally shaped by the historians and academics with whom they share the leadership of the country.

The masses can be led.
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- EazyMoney   Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria   Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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