Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Options

[EazyMoney]

Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me


Anyway, just a shoutout.


peace

[EvilAsianDude]

So you can't read the minds of every single Korean but you can read the minds of most Koreans, including the government, the media, and the mainstream? Lawl. What a stupid argument.

Are you serious? How the hell is that stupid? I noticed how you stupidly use "every" and then snidely switch to "most"(I even bolded it) halfway through your comment. As if most and every were the same thing. They arn't. Even a kindergartner can tell you they arn't Just goes to show how weak your argument is.

I cant read the minds of every single Chinese person. But I can intelligently assume that most(not all) Chinese citizens want China to be rich. There are a few Chinese citizens out there who probably want to return to the days of Mao or even total anarchy but they are in the minority. Much like how Koreans who want to invaded Manchuria are in the minority.

So what exactly is stupid? The only person producing idiotic arguments is you. I cant believe you tried to use every and all as if they were the same thing.

I pointed out this part of your post to emphasize the fact that you did not state "most Koreans do not believe in taking Manchuria." You said something very different, which you EXPECT people to interpret EXACTLY as you meant it, even though the sentences themselves don't say EXACTLY what you mean. The primary problem I had with your post is that you seem to think that the opinion in question is some sort of fringe opinion supported by only whackos, when in fact it is supported by some of your respected politicians and famous historians. It is NOT the equivalent of "Mao Zedong is Korean." It has very deep historical and political roots.

Yap yap yap yap yap. Quit ignoring what I wrote earlier. You can change the subject a billion times but it still doesnt change the fact that you cant counter my points. Heres a repost of it again

I stated that most(keyword: MOST not ALL) Koreans do not believe in taking over Manchuria.

To which you brought up a negligable amount of Koreans who do believe Manchuria should be returned to Korea. Now tell me? Do you know how to read? Are you intentionally being this dumb? Did I not state that most Koreans(not all, MOST...very big difference between the two) do not want Manchuria? Why did you try to correct me in the first place if there was nothing to be corrected?

Quit making excuses and just admit that you're wrong. Speaking of which, it is a lie fabricated and greatly exaggerated by Chinese nationalists. Most Koreans do not believe in it. Only a small fringe group do. Yet Chinese nationalists somehow believe that there is a secret invasion plot or whatever. I think we can conclude that you have no idea what youre talking about. Argue all you want, it still does not change the fact that you're in denial.

What makes you think I don't know this? That's YOUR misinterpretation, not mine.

Its your misinterpretation. Not mine. I stated that most(not all Koreans) did not believe in taking Manchuria. To which you brought up South Korean politicians to somehow refute it and claim that all Koreans supported it.

Just goes to show how much of a liar you are.

Someone is labeled "greatest historian" by the establishment - usually the intellectual or political establishment. Shin Chae-Ho didn't get this label for no reason. You should read into it.

History Olympics? He must have won a zillion history gold medals huh? Jesus you're dense. And even if he was the greatest historian the world has every seen(entirely subjective and a pointless title in reality) it still doesnt change the fact that its his and only his opinion.

So what? The opinion of Mao Zedong is still the opinion of a single individual, but fu-k if it didn't shape the course of modern Chinese history.

What does Mao have to do with this topic again?

You're trying to argue that the Korean claim on Manchuria is a non-existent threat because "most Koreans" do not care. That's simply a logical fallacy. Most Koreans do not make Korean policy. Korean politicians make Korean policy, and their views are fundamentally shaped by the historians and academics with whom they share the leadership of the country.

The masses can be led.

Answer me this. Is it every or most? You still stupidly believe it to be every.

This post has been edited by EvilAsianDude: Jun 11 2009, 03:13 PM