Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Options

[EazyMoney]

Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me


Anyway, just a shoutout.


peace

[EvilAsianDude]

Let me try to sum this up for you, EvilAsianDude:

You come in here claiming that Korean designs on Manchuria is a ridiculous lie concocted by paranoid Chinese nationalists to make Koreans look bad. I point out to the fact that Chinese beliefs about Korean claims are very legitimate because they are based on historical and political claims made by members of your elite. Nowhere did I, or any other person, say that most ordinary Koreans want to invade Manchuria. That's something you put in our mouths. Instead, what we said is that Chinese have a legitimate worry about Korean revanchism due to documents and statements traceable to your historians and politicians.

This is something that Western scholars have corroborated and found reasonable, so no matter which way you cut it, China's worries about Korean designs are legitimate. This does not mean that most Koreans want to invade Manchuria. This does not mean that the Korean leadership intends to invade Manchuria. What it means is that there are rational reasons for taking precautions against Korean revanchism.

Lets sum up your arguments.

1. I state that most Koreans(mainstream) do not believe in invading or taking over Manchuria. I also state that such a position is not supported by the government and media.

2. You attempt to refute my claim by bringing up South Korean politicians who want to take over Manchuria.

3. I then educate your @$$ by telling you that they are in the minority and that they do not represent the main view of the government. Furthermore I never ever claimed that there wern't Koreas who believed in such a thing. I only stated that most do not believe it and those who do are in the tiny tiny minority.

4. You then throw a hissy fit and cry about me correcting your @$$.

5. To which I remarked that you wouldn't have brought up the South Korean politician argument if you actually knew how to read and wern't such a prolific liar.


And now you know you are wrong so in order to remedy the situation you write mostly trivial and useless bull$hit that has nothing to do with what we are debating. You write such monotonous loads of crap and use it as filler material in order to somehow make others believe that you have an argument. When in reality you dont. I stated that most Koreans do not believe in the take over of Manchuria. You tried to provide evidence that they did. I easily refuted it. And now you're in denial.

This post has been edited by EvilAsianDude: Jun 11 2009, 03:15 PM

[Eidolon]

Lets sum up your arguments.

1. I state that most Koreans(mainstream) do not believe in invading or taking over Manchuria. I also state that such a position is not supported by the government and media.

You also stated that the Chinese belief that Koreans have designs on Manchuria is a ridiculous lie on par with "Mao Zedong is Korean." Don't cherry pick your own post.

2. You attempt to refute my claim by bringing up South Korean politicians who want to take over Manchuria.

Agreed.

3. I then educate your @$$ by telling you that they are in the minority and that they do not represent the main view of the government. Furthermore I never ever claimed that there wern't Koreas who believed in such a thing. I only stated that most do not believe it and those who do are in the tiny tiny minority.

You, educate me? Don't make me laugh. I understand full well what the current political climate in Korea is, but I also understand that political climates change. With such prominent figures of Korean history backing your claim on Manchuria, it would be utterly foolish of me to think that Koreans would never make an attempt on Manchuria simply because they don't have the ability to do so now. Your politics are, like all politics, the politics of the possible - of course you leaders today wouldn't support reclaiming Manchuria - BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. Because they haven't even reclaimed North Korea, yet, so what's the point of making even more enemies? But that doesn't mean the desire isn't there, deep down, embedded within the fabrics of Korean nationalism.

4. You then throw a hissy fit and cry about me correcting your @$$.

5. To which I remarked that you wouldn't have brought up the South Korean politician argument if you actually knew how to read and wern't such a prolific liar.

No, I then correct you on your misinterpretation of what I said, which you then try to backpedal.

And now you know you are wrong so in order to remedy the situation you write mostly trivial and useless bull$hit that has nothing to do with what we are debating. You write such monotonous loads of crap and use it as filler material in order to somehow make others believe that you have an argument. When in reality you dont. I stated that most Koreans do not believe in the take over of Manchuria. You tried to provide evidence that they did. I easily refuted it. And now you're in denial.

Lawl. You really think you're something, don't you? Too bad your bluff doesn't work with me. I know what you said. I know what I said. And it is not what you said you said, or what you said I said.

This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 11 2009, 03:25 PM