Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria |
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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria |
Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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AF Addict Group: Members Posts: 726 Joined: 25-April 08 |
Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me Anyway, just a shoutout. peace |
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Jun 11 2009, 04:26 PM
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AF Elite Group: Members Posts: 6,178 Joined: 3-August 04 From: YO MOMMA'S HOUSE |
Eidolon, while I can see where you're coming from , I think getting a little too concerned over this matter is rather silly because China clearly has the upper hand in regards to the Dongbei Region territorially. China's population occupies virtually all of the land, whatever ethnic groups outside of the Han perimeter have either been wiped out or completely assimilated. Honestly, I think the US fearing an ethnic Mexican takeover of her southwestern states is more of a valid concern than China losing Manchuria. The only people making noise are faceless keyboard warriors behind a computer screen that have about as much power to change the situation as the boogers in my noose. I mean no harm done, it's all good bro.
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Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM
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AF Geek Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 29-May 09 |
Eidolon, while I can see where you're coming from , I think getting a little too concerned over this matter is rather silly because China clearly has the upper hand in regards to the Dongbei Region territorially. China's population occupies virtually all of the land, whatever ethnic groups outside of the Han perimeter have either been wiped out or completely assimilated. Honestly, I think the US fearing an ethnic Mexican takeover of her southwestern states is more of a valid concern than China losing Manchuria. The only people making noise are faceless keyboard warriors behind a computer screen that have about as much power to change the situation as the boogers in my noose. I mean no harm done, it's all good bro. Maybe, but I'd say the same for EvilAsianDude: the fact that Korea's politicians and historians have made claims on Manchuria does not imply that all or most Koreans support them, or that China is going to treat Korea as if it were hell-bent on invading Manchuria. The middle ground here would be to accept that China has a legitimate worry about Korean revanchism, but that Korean revanchism also isn't that powerful or realistic of a movement, today. I happen to take that stance but in this thread, at least, we're operating under the assumption that we're talking about Korean nationalists who do believe in invading Manchuria and in how we might defend against them. That's what I got out of the thread title, anyways. QUOTE There are two really smart guys on this thread. They're engaged in a contentious dispute. They're styles of argument are different. One uses a rapier and the other uses a sabre. But before this thread is over they're going to be acting like monkeys throwing feces at each other. I love this stuff. Perceptive. I'll try to cool it down a notch, assuming EvilAsianDude is still interested in the debate once he realizes that I'm not trying to argue that "most Koreans want to invade Manchuria." This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 11 2009, 04:55 PM |
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EazyMoney Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
depthcharge well, japan puppeted it for a time. they had a lot... Jun 10 2009, 04:50 PM
meitoufu QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 10 2009, 02:11 PM)... Jun 10 2009, 07:37 PM
crabdonut Japan was sought by Japan during WWII, because Man... Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM
Eidolon The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes... Jun 10 2009, 10:07 PM
JohnnyReb QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 12:27 AM
zaza9000 QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 01:06 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (zaza9000 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 AM) ... Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
depthcharge Manchuria is definitely strategic for us. It means... Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
Suijen ^ Solid post. Jun 10 2009, 10:56 PM
Manders There is no "occupation" of China's ... Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM
EazyMoney Then We forgot to ask what those Manchurians want... Jun 11 2009, 12:33 PM
EvilAsianDude Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief e... Jun 11 2009, 01:03 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:03... Jun 11 2009, 01:06 PM
Eidolon Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own... Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
gaogouli Manchu decided to take over China.
Thats the link... Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM
EazyMoney QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM)... Jun 11 2009, 01:10 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:10 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 01:41 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM) K... Jun 11 2009, 01:14 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:14... Jun 11 2009, 01:28 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:28 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 01:46 PM
EazyMoney I think santaclaws, chan-ho, and some of other ult... Jun 11 2009, 01:53 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:46... Jun 11 2009, 01:55 PM
gaogouli Manchuria did belong to Korea in history.
So it i... Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:04 PM

gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:04 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 02:12 PM

Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:12 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:21 PM
EazyMoney QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:09 PM

gaogouli QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 03:09 PM)... Jun 11 2009, 02:14 PM

EazyMoney Good, we can feel relaxed now,
in the future if ... Jun 11 2009, 02:18 PM
zern QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:46 AM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:55 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 02:03 PM
EazyMoney If one of the politicians or president in Korea on... Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:03... Jun 11 2009, 02:08 PM
gaogouli Chinese have to stop their childish "Korea cl... Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
gaogouli You seriously believed that Korea would have invad... Jun 11 2009, 02:23 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:23 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:31 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:31 PM) O... Jun 11 2009, 02:38 PM
EazyMoney Btw, I remembered awhile back some South Korean fe... Jun 11 2009, 02:44 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:08 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 02:25 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:25... Jun 11 2009, 02:32 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:17 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:34 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:34... Jun 11 2009, 02:46 PM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM) S... Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM) W... Jun 11 2009, 02:36 PM
Mid-Night_Sun QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:03... Jun 11 2009, 02:37 PM
Titanium Some of you are just way too sensitive. The only p... Jun 11 2009, 02:37 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 03:37 PM) ... Jun 11 2009, 02:53 PM
lite QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 12 2009, 06:53... Jun 12 2009, 03:30 AM
Eidolon Let me try to sum this up for you, EvilAsianDude:
... Jun 11 2009, 02:56 PM
MotorRifle Who cares? Jun 11 2009, 03:01 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM) S... Jun 11 2009, 03:04 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM) L... Jun 11 2009, 03:12 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:12... Jun 11 2009, 03:24 PM
antimatter QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:24 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 03:36 PM
iluvlamp My mom's family is manchurian and her grandpar... Jun 11 2009, 03:20 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM) Y... Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:32... Jun 11 2009, 03:46 PM
EvilAsianDude QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:46 PM) I... Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 04:56... Jun 11 2009, 04:06 PM
hanren Or it could be paranoia on the Korean nationalist ... Jun 11 2009, 04:10 PM
Eidolon QUOTE (hanren @ Jun 11 2009, 05:10 PM) Or... Jun 11 2009, 04:17 PM

hanren QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 05:17 PM) T... Jun 11 2009, 04:26 PM
MotorRifle QUOTE (hanren @ Jun 11 2009, 04:10 PM) Or... Jun 11 2009, 05:11 PM
MotorRifle QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM) P... Jun 11 2009, 05:13 PM
baal There are two really smart guys on this thread. T... Jun 11 2009, 04:38 PM
type52 korea will get its asses kicked Jun 11 2009, 05:05 PM
Manders Returned to Korea? Lol, now that's funny. Jun 11 2009, 05:56 PM
Chan-Ho The basis of what both Eidolon and EAD are arguing... Jun 11 2009, 07:04 PM
hanren QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Jun 11 2009, 08:04 ... Jun 11 2009, 08:24 PM
Eidolon QUOTE Considering the cost/benefit of the situatio... Jun 11 2009, 09:34 PM
Chan-Ho QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:34 PM) I... Jun 12 2009, 01:36 AM
haozhao QUOTE (Chan-Ho @ Jun 12 2009, 01:36 ... Jun 12 2009, 02:12 AM
Titanium It's not unreasonable for China to take precau... Jun 11 2009, 10:45 PM
gaogouli Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese... Jun 12 2009, 01:26 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 02:26 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM
haozhao QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM) Y... Jun 12 2009, 02:14 AM
gaogouli QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM) Y... Jun 12 2009, 02:14 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 03:14 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:48 AM
Eidolon QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 03:14 AM) ... Jun 12 2009, 02:58 AM
gaogouliWIN7 QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 03:58 AM) S... Jun 12 2009, 03:09 AM
haozhao Manchuria's population is 200 million, of that... Jun 12 2009, 01:32 AM
zern over the last hundreds years,manchu have been too... Jun 12 2009, 02:48 AM
gaogouliWIN7 Look, Manchu conquered Han Chinese it would be mor... Jun 12 2009, 03:04 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouliWIN7 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:04 ... Jun 12 2009, 03:20 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 04:20 A... Jun 12 2009, 03:27 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:27 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 03:54 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 03:54 A... Jun 12 2009, 03:59 AM
NancyPelosi QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 04:59 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 04:11 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (NancyPelosi @ Jun 12 2009, 04:11 A... Jun 12 2009, 06:00 AM
Flowerseed QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 07:00 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 06:05 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (Flowerseed @ Jun 12 2009, 06:05 AM... Jun 12 2009, 06:06 AM
Flowerseed QUOTE (gaogouli3 @ Jun 12 2009, 07:06 AM)... Jun 12 2009, 06:08 AM
Mid-Night_Sun what i dont get is why you would split a mountain.... Jun 12 2009, 03:32 AM
MotorRifle Doesnt matter, since Chinese in current occupier o... Jun 12 2009, 04:22 AM
gaogouli3 QUOTE (MotorRifle @ Jun 12 2009, 04:22 AM... Jun 12 2009, 05:59 AM![]() ![]() |
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