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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria
EazyMoney
post Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
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Anyway, just a shoutout.


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post Jun 11 2009, 04:26 PM
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Eidolon, while I can see where you're coming from , I think getting a little too concerned over this matter is rather silly because China clearly has the upper hand in regards to the Dongbei Region territorially. China's population occupies virtually all of the land, whatever ethnic groups outside of the Han perimeter have either been wiped out or completely assimilated. Honestly, I think the US fearing an ethnic Mexican takeover of her southwestern states is more of a valid concern than China losing Manchuria. The only people making noise are faceless keyboard warriors behind a computer screen that have about as much power to change the situation as the boogers in my noose. I mean no harm done, it's all good bro.
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post Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 05:26 PM) *
Eidolon, while I can see where you're coming from , I think getting a little too concerned over this matter is rather silly because China clearly has the upper hand in regards to the Dongbei Region territorially. China's population occupies virtually all of the land, whatever ethnic groups outside of the Han perimeter have either been wiped out or completely assimilated. Honestly, I think the US fearing an ethnic Mexican takeover of her southwestern states is more of a valid concern than China losing Manchuria. The only people making noise are faceless keyboard warriors behind a computer screen that have about as much power to change the situation as the boogers in my noose. I mean no harm done, it's all good bro.


Maybe, but I'd say the same for EvilAsianDude: the fact that Korea's politicians and historians have made claims on Manchuria does not imply that all or most Koreans support them, or that China is going to treat Korea as if it were hell-bent on invading Manchuria. The middle ground here would be to accept that China has a legitimate worry about Korean revanchism, but that Korean revanchism also isn't that powerful or realistic of a movement, today. I happen to take that stance but in this thread, at least, we're operating under the assumption that we're talking about Korean nationalists who do believe in invading Manchuria and in how we might defend against them. That's what I got out of the thread title, anyways.

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There are two really smart guys on this thread. They're engaged in a contentious dispute. They're styles of argument are different. One uses a rapier and the other uses a sabre. But before this thread is over they're going to be acting like monkeys throwing feces at each other. I love this stuff.


Perceptive. I'll try to cool it down a notch, assuming EvilAsianDude is still interested in the debate once he realizes that I'm not trying to argue that "most Koreans want to invade Manchuria."

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- EazyMoney   Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria   Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
- - depthcharge   well, japan puppeted it for a time. they had a lot...   Jun 10 2009, 04:50 PM
- - meitoufu   QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 10 2009, 02:11 PM)...   Jun 10 2009, 07:37 PM
- - crabdonut   Japan was sought by Japan during WWII, because Man...   Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM
- - Eidolon   The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes...   Jun 10 2009, 10:07 PM
|- - JohnnyReb   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T...   Jun 11 2009, 12:27 AM
|- - zaza9000   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T...   Jun 11 2009, 01:06 AM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (zaza9000 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 AM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
- - depthcharge   Manchuria is definitely strategic for us. It means...   Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
- - Suijen   ^ Solid post.   Jun 10 2009, 10:56 PM
- - Manders   There is no "occupation" of China's ...   Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM
|- - EazyMoney   Then We forgot to ask what those Manchurians want...   Jun 11 2009, 12:33 PM
- - EvilAsianDude   Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief e...   Jun 11 2009, 01:03 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:03...   Jun 11 2009, 01:06 PM
|- - Eidolon   Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own...   Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
- - gaogouli   Manchu decided to take over China. Thats the link...   Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM
|- - EazyMoney   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM
|- - gaogouli   QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM)...   Jun 11 2009, 01:10 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:10 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 01:41 PM
- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM) K...   Jun 11 2009, 01:14 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:14...   Jun 11 2009, 01:28 PM
- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:28 PM) I...   Jun 11 2009, 01:46 PM
|- - EazyMoney   I think santaclaws, chan-ho, and some of other ult...   Jun 11 2009, 01:53 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:46...   Jun 11 2009, 01:55 PM
- - gaogouli   Manchuria did belong to Korea in history. So it i...   Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:04 PM
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||- - EazyMoney   Good, we can feel relaxed now, in the future if ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:18 PM
|- - zern   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ...   Jun 12 2009, 02:46 AM
- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:55 PM) Y...   Jun 11 2009, 02:03 PM
|- - EazyMoney   If one of the politicians or president in Korea on...   Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 03:03...   Jun 11 2009, 02:08 PM
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|- - gaogouli   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:31 PM) O...   Jun 11 2009, 02:38 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:17 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:34 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 03:37 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:53 PM
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- - MotorRifle   Who cares?   Jun 11 2009, 03:01 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM) L...   Jun 11 2009, 03:12 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM) Y...   Jun 11 2009, 03:32 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:46 PM) I...   Jun 11 2009, 03:56 PM
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|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (Titanium @ Jun 11 2009, 05:26 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM
|- - MotorRifle   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM) P...   Jun 11 2009, 05:13 PM
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