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Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria
EazyMoney
post Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
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Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
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Anyway, just a shoutout.


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gaogouli
post Jun 12 2009, 01:26 AM
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Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese like Eidolon who feel guilty about Manchuria.
They know it belonged to Korea so they know in case
some korean nationalists claim it, they have some grounds to do so.

Therefore he tries to put down these claims even if there aren`t any
at the moment.

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post Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 12 2009, 02:26 AM) *
Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese like Eidolon who feel guilty about Manchuria.
They know it belonged to Korea so they know in case
some korean nationalists claim it, they have some grounds to do so.

Therefore he tries to put down these claims even if there aren`t any
at the moment.


You are deluded. There is little that Chinese should feel guilty about with regards to Manchuria. Manchuria truly and rightfully belongs to China, the winner of the race for that land. I might feel a bit guilty about Tibet, and about Xinjiang, and about parts of Inner Mongolia, but not about Manchuria. I know its history, and China's claim is just - our people moved there legally; we were encouraged by the land's original owners; it is a strategic region instrumental to China's safety and security. You seldom get more legitimate claims on territory than that.

By contrast, Korea's claim amounts to "oh we lived there thousands of years ago!" By that fu-king logic Europeans can claim Central Asia and all of humanity can claim Africa.

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post Jun 12 2009, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 12 2009, 02:07 AM) *
You are deluded. There is little that Chinese should feel guilty about with regards to Manchuria. Manchuria truly and rightfully belongs to China, the winner of the race for that land. I might feel a bit guilty about Tibet, and about Xinjiang, and about parts of Inner Mongolia, but not about Manchuria. I know its history, and China's claim is just - our people moved there legally; we were encouraged by the land's original owners; it is a strategic region instrumental to China's safety and security. You seldom get more legitimate claims on territory than that.

By contrast, Korea's claim amounts to "oh we lived there thousands of years ago!" By that fu-king logic Europeans can claim Central Asia and all of humanity can claim Africa.


I agree. The Manchurians, the original owners of that land, BECAME Chinese. And thus, they eventually moved Han Chinese there to consolidate their power, as they became Hans essentially as well.

Manchuria is an inseperable part of China. Anyways, the Manchus are the ones who fu-ked up China, so they better stick with us now.
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- EazyMoney   Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria   Jun 10 2009, 01:11 PM
- - depthcharge   well, japan puppeted it for a time. they had a lot...   Jun 10 2009, 04:50 PM
- - meitoufu   QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 10 2009, 02:11 PM)...   Jun 10 2009, 07:37 PM
- - crabdonut   Japan was sought by Japan during WWII, because Man...   Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM
- - Eidolon   The Japanese want it for Lebensraum. In their eyes...   Jun 10 2009, 10:07 PM
|- - JohnnyReb   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T...   Jun 11 2009, 12:27 AM
|- - zaza9000   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 10 2009, 11:07 PM) T...   Jun 11 2009, 01:06 AM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (zaza9000 @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 AM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
- - depthcharge   Manchuria is definitely strategic for us. It means...   Jun 10 2009, 10:55 PM
- - Suijen   ^ Solid post.   Jun 10 2009, 10:56 PM
- - Manders   There is no "occupation" of China's ...   Jun 11 2009, 12:03 PM
|- - EazyMoney   Then We forgot to ask what those Manchurians want...   Jun 11 2009, 12:33 PM
- - EvilAsianDude   Koreans dont want Manchuria nor is such a belief e...   Jun 11 2009, 01:03 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:03...   Jun 11 2009, 01:06 PM
|- - Eidolon   Here, I'll do you a favor and dissect your own...   Jun 11 2009, 02:17 PM
- - gaogouli   Manchu decided to take over China. Thats the link...   Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM
|- - EazyMoney   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM
|- - gaogouli   QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 11 2009, 01:08 PM)...   Jun 11 2009, 01:10 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 02:10 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 01:41 PM
- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:06 PM) K...   Jun 11 2009, 01:14 PM
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- - EvilAsianDude   QUOTE (Eidolon @ Jun 11 2009, 02:28 PM) I...   Jun 11 2009, 01:46 PM
|- - EazyMoney   I think santaclaws, chan-ho, and some of other ult...   Jun 11 2009, 01:53 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (EvilAsianDude @ Jun 11 2009, 02:46...   Jun 11 2009, 01:55 PM
- - gaogouli   Manchuria did belong to Korea in history. So it i...   Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM
|- - Eidolon   QUOTE (gaogouli @ Jun 11 2009, 03:00 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:04 PM
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- - MotorRifle   Who cares?   Jun 11 2009, 03:01 PM
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