Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Options

[EazyMoney]

Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me


Anyway, just a shoutout.


peace

[gaogouli]

Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese like Eidolon who feel guilty about Manchuria.
They know it belonged to Korea so they know in case
some korean nationalists claim it, they have some grounds to do so.

Therefore he tries to put down these claims even if there aren`t any
at the moment.

[Eidolon]

Obviously there are some slightly educated chinese like Eidolon who feel guilty about Manchuria.
They know it belonged to Korea so they know in case
some korean nationalists claim it, they have some grounds to do so.

Therefore he tries to put down these claims even if there aren`t any
at the moment.

You are deluded. There is little that Chinese should feel guilty about with regards to Manchuria. Manchuria truly and rightfully belongs to China, the winner of the race for that land. I might feel a bit guilty about Tibet, and about Xinjiang, and about parts of Inner Mongolia, but not about Manchuria. I know its history, and China's claim is just - our people moved there legally; we were encouraged by the land's original owners; it is a strategic region instrumental to China's safety and security. You seldom get more legitimate claims on territory than that.

By contrast, Korea's claim amounts to "oh we lived there thousands of years ago!" By that fu-king logic Europeans can claim Central Asia and all of humanity can claim Africa.

This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 12 2009, 02:11 AM

[gaogouli]

You are deluded. There is little that Chinese should feel guilty about with regards to Manchuria. Manchuria truly and rightfully belongs to China, the winner of the race for that land. I might feel a bit guilty about Tibet, and about Xinjiang, and about parts of Inner Mongolia, but not about Manchuria. I know its history, and China's claim is just - our people moved there legally; we were encouraged by the land's original owners; it is a strategic region instrumental to China's safety and security. You seldom get more legitimate claims on territory than that.

By contrast, Korea's claim amounts to "oh we lived there thousands of years ago!" By that fu-king logic Europeans can claim Central Asia and all of humanity can claim Africa.

Chinese claims are based on Manchu ruling China during Qing dynasty.

Before, they have NEVER had anything to do with Manchuria.


Korean claims are more justified than chinese.
But you still need to post some quotes here to prove how "serious" these Korean claims are.

[Eidolon]

Chinese claims are based on Manchu ruling China during Qing dynasty.

Before, they have NEVER had anything to do with Manchuria.

Korean claims are more justified than chinese.

You don't understand how these things work. Recent claims trump ancient claims. Sure, everybody can claim that they came from Africa and therefore Africa belongs to them, but that doesn't work does it? Leaving a land for thousands of years = you no longer have strong claims to it. Why do you think Israel and Palestine are fighting a war and the issue is so controversial? Because the Jews left Israel for thousands years - other people moved into their land and now have a legitimate claim to it. That's why. Europeans could claim that their forefathers, the Indo-Europeans, ruled most of Central Asia thousands of years ago - but that doesn't give them right to the Central Asian states today. The same is true of Korea and Manchuria - your people might've held that land long ago, but it's been a thousand years since then. One would think that if you really cared about it, you would've made some progress in the last thousand years to reclaim Manchuria - yet you didn't, so why are you asking for it now?

So no, Korea's claims are not more justified. Your claim is strictly based on ancient history, and if we were to abide by that logic, then all the nations of the world would have to roll back their territory to the way they were a thousand years ago - yeah, that's really practical, guys. Why don't you start by convincing your American allies to give back North America to the Native Americans? Do that and we'll talk.

This post has been edited by Eidolon: Jun 12 2009, 03:01 AM

[gaogouliWIN7]

So no, Korea's claims are not more justified. Your claim is strictly based on ancient history, and if we were to abide by that logic, then all the nations of the world would have to roll back their territory to the way they were a thousand years ago - yeah, that's really practical, guys. Why don't you start by convincing your American allies to give back North America to the Native Americans? Do that and we'll talk.

See, you are no different from white supremacists.