Why both Japanese and Korean nationalists lust after Manchuria Options

[EazyMoney]

Seems like Manchuria has nothing do with them at all.
It beats me


Anyway, just a shoutout.


peace

[gaogouliWIN7]

Look, Manchu conquered Han Chinese it would be more legitimate if Manchu claimed Tang, Ming, Sui etc.

But the other way round, the conquered ones claiming Manchu history is pure funny.


Sounds as if American natives are claiming European history now.

[NancyPelosi]

Look, Manchu conquered Han Chinese it would be more legitimate if Manchu claimed Tang, Ming, Sui etc.

But the other way round, the conquered ones claiming Manchu history is pure funny.


Sounds as if American natives are claiming European history now.

You really have no idea how conquered territories work do you?

In WWII, Germany conquered parts of the Soviet Union but then the Soviets came back and eventually ended up with half of Germany.

Same way Manchus defeated the Han rule and took its land, then Han defeated the Manchu rule and took its land.

Native Americans never took America back and Americans are not assimilated into the native cultures the way the Manchus are with the Han today. Your comparison is simply moronic.

Either way, the Han Chinese have extended into portions of Manchuria in past dynasties, far more than Goguryeo had at its greatest extent (Clear examples in my previous post). Saying Korea has more claim to Manchuria is just bogus.

[gaogouli3]

You really have no idea how conquered territories work do you?

In WWII, Germany conquered parts of the Soviet Union but then the Soviets came back and eventually ended up with half of Germany.

Same way Manchus defeated the Han rule and took its land, then Han defeated the Manchu rule and took its land.

Native Americans never took America back and Americans are not assimilated into the native cultures the way the Manchus are with the Han today. Your comparison is simply moronic.

Either way, the Han Chinese have extended into portions of Manchuria in past dynasties, far more than Goguryeo had at its greatest extent (Clear examples in my previous post). Saying Korea has more claim to Manchuria is just bogus.

If you are basing this on territorial expansion, you should not bring the Han dynasty as a proof.
Its common knowledge that Han dynasty was a pool of loosely related tribes.



Even on this map, you can clearly see GAOGOULI on top right.

This post has been edited by gaogouli3: Jun 12 2009, 03:28 AM

[NancyPelosi]

If you are basing this on territorial expansion, you should not bring the Han dynasty as a proof.
Its common knowledge that Han dynasty was a pool of loosely related tribes.



Even on this map, you can clearly see GAOGOULI on top right.

How stupid are you?

The Han Dynasty is what the Han ethnicity today is derived from. That is even more specific than the 50+ ethnicities that make up Chinese people.

If you don't even think Han Dynasty equates to Han people, then how could you possibly think Goguryeo equates to Korean people?

[gaogouli3]

How stupid are you?

The Han Dynasty is what the Han ethnicity today is derived from. That is even more specific than the 50+ ethnicities that make up Chinese people.

If you don't even think Han Dynasty equates to Han people, then how could you possibly think Goguryeo equates to Korean people?

Learn to read. Of course Han dynasty equates to Han people but not to Manchu people.



thats what I said, stupid.

[NancyPelosi]

Learn to read. Of course Han dynasty equates to Han people but not to Manchu people.



thats what I said, stupid.

No you idiot. This is what you said:

If you are basing this on territorial expansion, you should not bring the Han dynasty as a proof.
Its common knowledge that Han dynasty was a pool of loosely related tribes.

The Han Dynasty was a pool of Han People, the people who the Han ethnicity of today are derived from and therefore the Han Dynasty is direct proof if you're basing an argument on territorial expansion.

Manchus today are Chinese people by nationality and almost completely identical to Han people culturally. Could it be any more obvious why the country of China today has every claim in the world to Manchuria?

[gaogouli3]

No you idiot. This is what you said:



The Han Dynasty was a pool of Han People, the people who the Han ethnicity of today are derived from and therefore the Han Dynasty is direct proof if you're basing an argument on territorial expansion.

Manchus today are Chinese people by nationality and almost completely identical to Han people culturally. Could it be any more obvious why the country of China today has every claim in the world to Manchuria?

Loser. Look at the map. Where is your huge territorial expansion into Manchuria during Han dynasty???

You look like a inferior complexed fool right now.

[Flowerseed]

Loser. Look at the map. Where is your huge territorial expansion into Manchuria during Han dynasty???

You look like a inferior complexed fool right now.

yep we only territorial expansion into southern Manchuria and northern korea during Han dynasty, so they belong to us.

And we have other dynasties beside Han you know.

[gaogouli3]

yep we only territorial expansion into southern Manchuria and northern korea during Han dynasty, so they belong to us.

And we have other dynasties beside Han you know.

yep, but Koguryeo expansion was larger so it belongs to us.

And your Yuan and Qing dynasties don`t count.