Promoting Malayness and Austronesian in the Philippines Options

[salamat]

What do u think??? culturally and media wise

start teaching about pre-spanish culture and alibata writing in classrooms
More ethnic malay and austronesian filipinos and less mestizas in the media
stop the war in the south....let bangsamoro have a autonomous govt...so what if they want Islam to be in their school curiculum....let them

build closer relations with Malaysia and Indonesia...so we can cooperate to curb chinese threat to South China Sea

[sonofgunongjerai]

Kota Seludong? That's quite new for me though... We learn something about Jose Rizal here but never heard about your ancient kingdoms there. Maybe we should add something about the Philippines after this in SEAn history lessons.

I heard that there are few Malay tribes in Lower Myanmar too. They are called as Pashu regardless whether they are Buddhist or Muslim. I dunno what Pashu means in Burmese, but I hate the term because it means Creature (Animal) in Sanskrit.

[filipinoy]

Kota Seludong? That's quite new for me though... We learn something about Jose Rizal here but never heard about your ancient kingdoms there. Maybe we should add something about the Philippines after this in SEAn history lessons.

I heard that there are few Malay tribes in Lower Myanmar too. They are called as Pashu regardless whether they are Buddhist or Muslim. I dunno what Pashu means in Burmese, but I hate the term because it means Creature (Animal) in Sanskrit.

Seludong/Seludang/Selurung that was the name of Manila when it was under the Sultanate of Brunei

but this i am not very sure yet of its accuracy

Nama MANILA sendiri datangnya dari kalimah Arab iaitu Fiamanillah yang bermaksud "Dalam Lindungan Allah".

"The name MANILA itself comes from the Arabic word which means Fiamanillah "In the shelter of God."
http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila

"Malays in Myanmar (called Salon or Pa Shu), are almost same as but a little bit different from the Malays in Southern Thailand, East and West Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines and Indonesia. Pa Shu in Myanmar is likely to be the corrupted word (or a different slang) in Myanmar language from- Bajau. That Bajau tribe is the largest Muslim indigenous group in Sabah & Sulu. From the three groups of Bajau these Myanmar citizens of Malays are the Moken and the related Moklen group. They are mostly found in the Mergui Archipelago of Myanmar and the whole of the Tanintharyi coast. "

[trismegistos]

but this i am not very sure yet of its accuracy
"The name MANILA itself comes from the Arabic word which means Fiamanillah "In the shelter of God."
http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila

Looks more accurate than the accepted etymology of May-nilad or 'there is a nilad plant'.
Just like its mother, Brunei Darrusalam came from Hindu and Arab words which means City of Peace(Darussalam) of the people of Varuna(Baruna-i). Varuna is a Hindu God.

[filipinoy]

Looks more accurate than the accepted etymology of May-nilad or 'there is a nilad plant'.
Just like its mother, Brunei Darrusalam came from Hindu and Arab words which means City of Peace(Darussalam) of the people of Varuna(Baruna-i). Varuna is a Hindu God.

it's funny the "manila" in wikipedia is available in almost 100 languages, & only the Melayu & Arabic mentioned "Fi Amanillah".

i think they are trying to hide our muslim past because it will be so ironic if the capital of one of the largest Catholic country in the world Manila – Amānillāh (امان الله) has a meaning of "Peace under the protection of Allah"

Tausug site still refers to the City of Manila as Bandar Amanillah (Mendapat keamanan Allah)
http://tausugglobal.blogspot.com/2008/09/8...am-sejarah.html

http://muslimspeak.wordpress.com/2008/10/1...84%D9%84%D9%87/

http://www.whymuhammad.com/ph/contents.aspx?aid=2345

This post has been edited by filipinoy: Nov 7 2009, 04:11 AM

[2ndsun]

it's funny the "manila" in wikipedia is available in almost 100 languages, & only the Melayu & Arabic mentioned "Fi Amanillah".

i think they are trying to hide our muslim past because it will be so ironic if the capital of one of the largest Catholic country in the world Manila – Amānillāh (امان الله) has a meaning of "Peace under the protection of Allah"

Tausug site still refers to the City of Manila as Bandar Amanillah (Mendapat keamanan Allah)
http://tausugglobal.blogspot.com/2008/09/8...am-sejarah.html

http://muslimspeak.wordpress.com/2008/10/1...84%D9%84%D9%87/

http://www.whymuhammad.com/ph/contents.aspx?aid=2345

True, Manila was under the control of Muslim datus before Spain came, but it doesn't mean the entire population were muslim. The National Historical Research of the Philippines has a work detailing the history of Manila before the Spaniards and the majority of it's inhabitants, then called Maynilad, were a mix of animists and Buddhists.

[trismegistos]

True, Manila was under the control of Muslim datus before Spain came, but it doesn't mean the entire population were muslim. The National Historical Research of the Philippines has a work detailing the history of Manila before the Spaniards and the majority of it's inhabitants, then called Maynilad, were a mix of animists and Buddhists.

Manila was established by Sultan Bolkeiah of Brunei together with his uncle Ong Sum Ping. Soliman I, Bolkeiah's son served as the first ruler of Manila. So before the Muslims came, there was no Maynila. I want to inquire if the NHI have some proof that the area was called Maynilad before the Moros came. But I understand that the area was populated by animists, Hindu, Buddhists. As Luzon(Seludong accdg to the Madyapahit and the Bruneians) or in our historical records the Kingdom of Sapa was having an alliance with the Hindu Madya-pahit and the Laguna copperplate (LCI) sheds light that the rulers or possibly some of the subjects were Hindu/Buddhists. Raja Gambang, who was described by Bolkeiah as the ruthless ruler of Seludong/Lusong, was usurped by the latter to covet it's trade monopoly of Chinawares and other trade items(being in close proximity with China itself).

See my post here about the confusion by most of our historians of Seludong or Lusung as Manila...
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4366184

This post has been edited by trismegistos: Nov 7 2009, 11:29 PM

[silangan]

Manila was established by Sultan Bolkeiah of Brunei together with his uncle Ong Sum Ping. Soliman I, Bolkeiah's son served as the first ruler of Manila. So before the Muslims came, there was no Maynila. I want to inquire if the NHI have some proof that the area was called Maynilad before the Moros came. But I understand that the area was populated by animists, Hindu, Buddhists. As Luzon(Seludong accdg to the Madyapahit and the Bruneians) or in our historical records the Kingdom of Sapa was having an alliance with the Hindu Madya-pahit and the Laguna copperplate (LCI) sheds light that the rulers or possibly some of the subjects were Hindu/Buddhists. Raja Gambang, who was described by Bolkeiah as the ruthless ruler of Seludong/Lusong, was usurped by the latter to covet it's trade monopoly of Chinawares and other trade items(being in close proximity with China itself).

See my post here about the confusion by most of our historians of Seludong or Lusung as Manila...
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4366184

Manila as well as most of Philippines was first a Hindu settlement. Ancient Filipinos including the Tagalogs of Manila were not writing Arabic. They used the Baybayin which was somewhat related to the Hindu system.

Muslims arrived later and marauded all settlements just like what they did to the rest of South East Asia.

Manila had been flourishing way before Islam ever came to South East Asia.

[trismegistos]

Manila as well as most of Philippines was first a Hindu settlement. Ancient Filipinos including the Tagalogs of Manila were not writing Arabic. They used the Baybayin which was somewhat related to the Hindu system.

Muslims arrived later and marauded all settlements just like what they did to the rest of South East Asia.

Manila had been flourishing way before Islam ever came to South East Asia.

My point is Manila was established by the Moros. But before that the area which would become Manila was part of a greater polity whose capital was in Tondo. And the Laguna Copperplate Inscription, has proven that the rulers were Hindu and were using the sophisticated Kavi Script. And you are correct, the masses used the much simpler Baybayin script. And obviously when Sultan Bolkeiah and his Sri-bisayan-Hindu-Arab-Chinese clan arrived and intermarried with the indigenous nobles/royals they carried with them their Arabic faith and their Arabic script supplanting the Hindu/Sanskrit Brahmi/Pallava/Kavi script. And again the masses retained their shamanistic beliefs with their baybayin script and the advancement of the Spaniards stopped the tide of the eventual Islamization of the masses. But ofcourse, 300 years of Spanish colonization eventually killed their shamanistic beliefs and baybayin script but somehow some beliefs survived as syncretic folk beliefs by the indigenous healers. And the baybayin script survived in codices and manuscripts by Spanish priests-historians. And the Kavi script used by our ancient rulers to be unearthed as LCI in 1989.

This post has been edited by trismegistos: Nov 9 2009, 12:45 AM