Malaysia now known to world as Bible grabbers because Word" Allah Options

[galvatron]

Malaysia now known to world as Bible grabbers


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1Malaysia, 1copyright made the world news this week with wire agencies picking up the story that our authorities have seized Bibles by the truckloads. The word ‘Allah’ (contained in Bibles printed in the Malay language) is the sole proprietary right of Islam, according to the Malaysian government.

The Najib administration’s Top 5 PR firm Apco (rumoured to have been paid RM20 million) might just come in handy to rehabilitate the dented image of Malaysia, especially when a broadcaster with the global reach of CNN tagged this development ‘Bibles seized as Malaysia minorities fear fundamentalism’ – a sobering headline indeed.

Some international reports mentioned 15,000 copies in all were confiscated, others said 20,000 copies. As taxpayers indirectly funding Apco, we’d expect this renowned image shaping company to staunch the bad publicity, just in case further sensational coverage has journalists expanding the numbers to an even more damaging 25,000 or 50,000 copies.

But we can be somewhat reassured given that Apco is a ‘no play-play’ proposition, having represented global cigarette producers Philip Morris no less. Now the ‘damage control’ expertise of an outfit that strategises to make cancerous cigarette smoke smell good is surely not something to be scoffed at.

Known as heavyweight lifters, Apco not only marketed the message to negate the valid health concern which the tobacco industry poses, they are also influential Washington lobbyists. So let’s see how Najib’s expensive PR consultants, with their offices in the USA, deal with this one.

Sole ownership of God

On another note, there was a comment by Malaysiakini reader Md Imraz Muhammed Ikhbal Friday on this seizure of Bibles which was illuminating. He posted: “I really wonder in which other Holy Book did God stipulate that Allah is owned by the Muslims? Of certainty, such provision is nowhere traceable in the Holy Quran.”

Md Imraz’s line of considerate reasoning provides a refreshing departure from the confrontational and sanctimonious stance of people who are bestowed the monikers televengalist/motivational ‘ustaz’ although their PhDs are not in theology, such as Dr Hasan Ali, and Dr Mohd Ridhuan Tee Abdullah whose academic qualification is in political science-Umno thesis.

Showing how inter-faith dialogue can be conducted with civility and in the spirit of accommodation, Md Imraz comments that since Muslims assert that Allah is the sole creator of all things living, then logically all Christians are living creations of Allah too. Thus, he wonders why Muslims are annoyed by others using the same word in their worship.

Md Imraz adds: “Muslims also expect others to acknowledge and respect their religious followings. The chauvinistic ones even impose their religious standards down the throats others. But yet, when people of different religious faith acknowledge their one true God and seek to worship Him by His name, Muslims immediately claim exclusivity over the word.”

CNN: ‘Minorities fear fundamentalism’

Two salient points which can be gleaned, and in fact, ought to be highlighted from CNN reporter Saeed Ahmed’s take on issue are:

* Rulings by the Islamic, or sharia, courts are directed toward the country’s Muslim, who make up 60 percent of the population. But they worry non-Muslims who see them as Islamism seeping into the moderate nation’s fabric.
* The country has been mired in inter-faith disputes as well in recent months. In those cases, many non-Muslims complain that the civil courts generally cede control to Islamic courts.

Excerpt: “The seizures have fed fears among minority groups, which see signs of encroaching Islamic fundamentalism in the predominantly Muslim but multi-racial country.”

Saeed then quoted Rev. Hermen Shastri, general-secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia on Thursday saying that “There is a growing sense of Islamic assertion, yes”.

This post has been edited by galvatron: Nov 3 2009, 06:33 PM

[kenmirzz]

The word is of Aramaic origin and predated Islam. Even the father of "Prophet" Muhammad, a pagan disbeliever is "Abdullah" or "Slave of Allah".

Afraid of own shadows.




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[Ralf]

You'd think that Malaysian politicians would have better things to do.
Now tax-payers are funding the spin doctors at Apco to spruce up the nation's image.
Seems like another band-aid fix, rather than tackling the real problems.

Must be the time of year for political controversies. DownUnder we had the "Ute-gate Scandal" , and apparently there is another one brewing in Indonesia.

[SyedHussein]

Nobody mentioned about thousands of Muslim publications banned in US, Australia and Europe under the yoke of anti-terror law.

[MrBrisbane]

Banning publications (of any religion) which promote violence or terrorism, or which give explicit instructions on how to carry out terrorist acts, is one thing. Most people would consider this justified.

Seizing Bibles because they contain one particular word is entirely different.

This post has been edited by MrBrisbane: Nov 5 2009, 02:08 AM

[samheisfl]

Well.. there is no problem to use the word Allah in the bible..

I think the reason why govt. act that way is because there lots of confusion happen between Islam dan Christian esp. in Sabah & Sarawak in the usage of Allah word.

There are lots of cases whereby some people trying to misguide muslims by giving them a false phrase which doesn't exist in Quran by adding word Allah.

There are so many misleading informations which nobody can verify it esp. on the internet. , some people said they were in the right path by believing an article that they read on the internet sound true and the worst part, these people copied the article or so called history and paste it on some forum and force other people to believe it.. funny though..

In Malaysia, Allah is only known as God for muslims whereas in some other part of the world, e.g Indonesia, the word Allah is use by any religion. And i dont think Malaysia's muslim is ready for that.. yet..

Anyhow, my point is that the usage of Allah word is up to the individual itself.. I mean, if their believe is strong enough on their own religion, there shouldn't be any problem on that..

[SChong54]

Well.. there is no problem to use the word Allah in the bible..

I think the reason why govt. act that way is because there lots of confusion happen between Islam dan Christian esp. in Sabah & Sarawak in the usage of Allah word.

There are lots of cases whereby some people trying to misguide muslims by giving them a false phrase which doesn't exist in Quran by adding word Allah.

There are so many misleading informations which nobody can verify it esp. on the internet. , some people said they were in the right path by believing an article that they read on the internet sound true and the worst part, these people copied the article or so called history and paste it on some forum and force other people to believe it.. funny though..

In Malaysia, Allah is only known as God for muslims whereas in some other part of the world, e.g Indonesia, the word Allah is use by any religion. And i dont think Malaysia's muslim is ready for that.. yet..

Anyhow, my point is that the usage of Allah word is up to the individual itself.. I mean, if their believe is strong enough on their own religion, there shouldn't be any problem on that..

Your statement will be "true" if all muslims in Malaysia are stupid... Hahahahaha

Is it true that the majority of muslims in Malaysia are stupid ? .....

This post has been edited by SChong54: Nov 6 2009, 03:11 AM

[SyedHussein]

The word Allah are not the issue here. it's just a justification. the real issue is the Bible is in Malay, which signify it was intended for the Malay. Plus the word Allah which was interpreted as a way to ease the transition of converts. as we all know, by law, all malays are muslim. I've seen a bible in malay before. i have friends from sabah and Sarawak who own a copy. But i admit, the word Allah is a new twist. so far all i see is "Yesus Pengasih" and "Tuhan". I guess the Church have redoubled their evangelical effort to converts the Malay muslim.

[kenmirzz]

Hello all,


If Muslims are provided with full right to proselytize in the West, protected by the law, and gain many converts, then how come the Non-Muslims in Islamic countries are disallowed to do so?

Is this some kind of your twisted tolerance? As I said again and again, your concept of love and tolerance does not go beyond the lips. What if the West reciprocate with banning all Islamic literature? It will be bad, isn't it?

Anyone here who advocate freedom of worship, freedom of rights and freedom of expression?



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[Crystallised Dre...]

Thanks kenmirzz for your reply. I have also often wondered why compared to Muslims in Western countries, non-Muslims in Muslim countries have limited freedom. Yea... the West is evil indeed... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

The word Allah are not the issue here. it's just a justification. the real issue is the Bible is in Malay, which signify it was intended for the Malay. Plus the word Allah which was interpreted as a way to ease the transition of converts. as we all know, by law, all malays are muslim. I've seen a bible in malay before. i have friends from sabah and Sarawak who own a copy. But i admit, the word Allah is a new twist. so far all i see is "Yesus Pengasih" and "Tuhan". I guess the Church have redoubled their evangelical effort to converts the Malay muslim.

First one must understand why we have Malay-language bibles in the first place. There are a lot of non-Malay natives around such as the Orang Asli, Ibans, Bidayuhs, Muruts, Kadazan-Dusun, etc - and even say, Indonesians. When these different ethnic groups congregrate in one church, they will need a bible in a language they can all understand. You can't expect Ibans to understand Bidayuh and vice versa because they are of a different ethnic tribe.

So which language? Why not Malay, since being the national language most of us would've learned it in kindergarten anyway? And besides, don't the pro-Bahasa people trumpet it around as the 'bahasa penyatuan' or 'unification language'? Why not Malay, since the Christian Indonesians here would be more familiar with a similar language to their own than they would with English?

Yes, the Christians aim to reach out to all people groups regardless of ethnicity and religion. It is colour-blind, as how other religions strive to be as well. But as we know the govt does not allow Christians to preach openly to Muslims because of various reasons. But think of it like this - why should a devoted Malay Muslim feel threatened by a Malay-language bible, if his faith is so strong? We have English translations of the Quran floating around, even my Malay Muslim friend linked me an online English translation of the Quran, but we non-Muslims hardly feel threatened by it. And if you're afraid one of your weaker brothers may 'fall into the arms of Christianity' because of this Malay-language bible, why not strive to educate them instead of taking the cowardly act of confiscating these bibles? Is your faith so easily threatened by a book you don't believe in?

[kenmirzz]

Yes Mr Crystallised, no Muslim worth the name can answer my question because they can't. The only plausible answer we can expect is that being a "true" religion necessitates Islam to be treated in a special way. This twisted and double faced attitude is remarkable.

Yes, they blame the West for each and every of their misery while they failed to be grateful for all the scientific inventions that cause their life to be comfortable in this modern world.

The immigrant Muslims migrated to the West and experience better life than their Islamic "paradise" in Iran or Pakistan. These people demanded equal right and freedom of worship there but the non-Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan suffered for maltreatment and abuse. Then they bite the hand that feed them in the West.

In the West, they can form their own community with place of worships, distribute their literature, propagating the religion freely without harassment from the authority. When they gradually become majority in certain area, then they disrespect the laws, demanding for shariah.

Let say non-Muslims migrating to an Islamic country, forming their own community and started spreading their religion to the Muslims, what will happen?

Why this double standard, my human friends?

You have no logical answer for this. You never view other human being equally that deserve equal treatment and equal rights.


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[samheisfl]

Your statement will be "true" if all muslims in Malaysia are stupid... Hahahahaha

Is it true that the majority of muslims in Malaysia are stupid ? .....

Well.. it is not about stupidity.. it is more toward misdirect and misguide..
Or maybe you are stupid enough to understand that.. hehehe..

I'm looking at it from Muslims perpective..
and you are looking from your perpective..

[samheisfl]

Yes Mr Crystallised, no Muslim worth the name can answer my question because they can't. The only plausible answer we can expect is that being a "true" religion necessitates Islam to be treated in a special way. This twisted and double faced attitude is remarkable.

Yes, they blame the West for each and every of their misery while they failed to be grateful for all the scientific inventions that cause their life to be comfortable in this modern world.

The immigrant Muslims migrated to the West and experience better life than their Islamic "paradise" in Iran or Pakistan. These people demanded equal right and freedom of worship there but the non-Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan suffered for maltreatment and abuse. Then they bite the hand that feed them in the West.

In the West, they can form their own community with place of worships, distribute their literature, propagating the religion freely without harassment from the authority. When they gradually become majority in certain area, then they disrespect the laws, demanding for shariah.

Let say non-Muslims migrating to an Islamic country, forming their own community and started spreading their religion to the Muslims, what will happen?

Why this double standard, my human friends?

You have no logical answer for this. You never view other human being equally that deserve equal treatment and equal rights.


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Well.. If you are a champion of freedom of rights and freedom of expression, maybe you should accept it.. it is free world afterall.. right?

Questioning it doesn't really reflect that..

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This post has been edited by samheisfl: Nov 12 2009, 06:01 AM

[kenmirzz]

Hello Mr SAM, how's life?

Well.. If you are a champion of freedom of rights and freedom of expression, maybe you should accept it.. it is free world afterall.. right?

Questioning it doesn't really reflect that..

Freedom to believe.. ek..?

You are committing a fallacy called, Ignoratio elenchi. If the action itself violate freedom of right and expression, how can you condone that?

I don't blame you. Your own ideology disallow you to think "out of the box" and be empathic. Really sad.



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[NewMan2010]

It's a bad case of overzealotry.

Allah is Arab word meaning God.

It's never designated to be only referring to Muslim God. There is no such thing as a Muslim God anyways, since all the 3 Abramaic religions seem to point to the same God.

It's a case of bad translation and bad twisting.

[hailer]

Muslim in Malaysia had been taught reading the Quran since secondary school even from 5 years old. They learn the verse used in prayer, or before and during specific ritual. They are now also exposed to internet where a lot of faked verses to confuse Islamic faith.

I have found many fake verses using ‘Allah’ with modified meaning in the You Tube, discussion forum, blog even sometimes on the peace of paper on the road and mail box. So who did this? Sometime the joke using ‘Allah’ with modified meaning with intention to deviate the belief, and sometimes create bad perception amongst other non muslim.

These may confuse and divert their faith among children and youngsters. They do not know to differentiate the verses either from Bible, Quran or from fake source. It is not about who stupid or who smart.

Now we know many non-muslim read the Quran translation for many purposes, either for bad or good intention. But they are just read it blindly, and not study it. When reading the Quran translation, is not about translate the meaning from one language to another, but to be precise, is about ‘interpretation’, it meant, it’s about how to interpret the verse, why the verse was written, to whom the verse was written, in what occasion the verse was written.
Therefore to interpret the verse in Quran must be backed up with ‘Hadith’. Hadith is words from the prophets. And there are also fake Hadith. Identifying the real hadith also involve another study. Instead of hadith, there also written documents from the immediate leader after the prophet, and close friends of prophet.

Most normal muslim know that only certain educated people that study the quran is qualified to talk about verse. If you ask muslim on street about specific issue in Quran, they maybe can not answer or reluctant to answer because they should not answer, or they worry to confuse you. But they confident Quran is their truth in their belief.

[kenmirzz]

Hello Mr Hailer, I really like your defensive answer. You must be of Malay origin, that's why I respect your people for your softness, courtesy and humbleness.

Nonetheless, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Can you give me permission to discuss with you?

Muslim in Malaysia had been taught reading the Quran since secondary school even from 5 years old. They learn the verse used in prayer, or before and during specific ritual. They are now also exposed to internet where a lot of faked verses to confuse Islamic faith.

Those fake verses has to do with the challenges abound in Quran to those who want to question the validity of the holy book. The Arabic Christians took those challenge and present their case. Forget about those fake verses for a while, why don't we scrutinize the Quran objectively? You see, Muslims for 1440 years are not allow to approach the Quran in a critical manner so as to eliminate the doubt that form in their mind. Though they are many problematic verses in the Quran, the moment when the slightest doubt formed in the mind, most Muslims will dismiss that as satanic.

I have found many fake verses using ‘Allah’ with modified meaning in the You Tube, discussion forum, blog even sometimes on the peace of paper on the road and mail box. So who did this? Sometime the joke using ‘Allah’ with modified meaning with intention to deviate the belief, and sometimes create bad perception amongst other non muslim.

Forget about those childish people who as you alleged twisted the meaning of the Quran, concentrate more on actual verses from the Quran, the hadiths and Siraa which are the basic resources of Islam. You can find in Youtube, atheists people who make a mockery of every religions, including Christianity. They make fun of the Bible too. The word that you make fuss about had its origin which predates Islam by centuries. The pagan Arabs, the Christian Arabs and even the Jews in Arabia at that time utilized that word to indicate "god".

These may confuse and divert their faith among children and youngsters. They do not know to differentiate the verses either from Bible, Quran or from fake source. It is not about who stupid or who smart.

When we view a book with the mentality of sacredness, we are bound to swallow every hook, line and sinker contained in that book even if some of it's injunctions are meant merely specific for that time period, and has no relevance for modern human. Try reading Suraa At-Tahrim and see my point is substantiated. Without freethinking spirit, human will never progress and achieve today's level of technology in such a short time. In Western nations, the government care less about which religion ones want to switch to. People can become Muslims or Christians, Atheists or Buddhists without any hindrance. Ironically, Muslims take advantage of this freedom and publicize their religion. On the other hand, Non-Muslims are disallowed to preach to Muslims in an Islamic country. Talk about hypocrisy.

Now we know many non-muslim read the Quran translation for many purposes, either for bad or good intention. But they are just read it blindly, and not study it. When reading the Quran translation, is not about translate the meaning from one language to another, but to be precise, is about ‘interpretation’, it meant, it’s about how to interpret the verse, why the verse was written, to whom the verse was written, in what occasion the verse was written.
Therefore to interpret the verse in Quran must be backed up with ‘Hadith’. Hadith is words from the prophets. And there are also fake Hadith. Identifying the real hadith also involve another study. Instead of hadith, there also written documents from the immediate leader after the prophet, and close friends of prophet

Everyone must read the Quran with an open mind, sane mind and freethinking mind. Quran provides a picture of dark and agonizing enmity between god and mortal human from the Unbelievers section. It's like god attempted to redeem its mistake by creating Unbelievers and then set up an endless fight that ultimately cause them to be thrown into hell fire. Read the Quran page by page to see that I am not bluffing. Why create them at first place if you want to torture them? This enigma was never resolved intellectually, and Muslim scholars came up with the concept of Qada' and Qadar, predestination, etc. In the end, they will conclude with "only god knows". This answer is flawed in every angle.

Hadiths or traditions are another wide subject to handle. Some anti-hadiths groups discard them per se in favor of Quran-only stance. This is because they can read annoying stories there that portrayed the "Prophet" as womanizer,torturer and war-monger. Even Bukhari is not exempted from their criticism as it appeared 200 years later after the demise of the "Prophet". Oral transmission had its shortcomings as human tend to exaggerate, thus, hadiths about his miracle can be disputed at most.

Most normal muslim know that only certain educated people that study the quran is qualified to talk about verse. If you ask muslim on street about specific issue in Quran, they maybe can not answer or reluctant to answer because they should not answer, or they worry to confuse you. But they confident Quran is their truth in their belief.

In fact, there never was any unity among Muslims since the earliest period. One person interpret one verse in one way, another disagree with him. The third person will charge both of them as apostate or at least, heretics. The Sunni-Shia conflicts is still going till today. Later, some forged hadith came to justify the differences and regard it as a blessing and many other justified the position of each groups.

How can we talk about confidence when your holy book is so confusing and caused a legacy of bloodshed and treacheries? Only a systematic brainwashing that can convince a human to believe in such a book but afraid or reluctant to explain to others.



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[hailer]

You have jumped into conclusion my friend that Quran is confusing. Is this is your intention to discuss with me and to telling other people that the Quran is confusing? You want me to believe you that quran containing problematic verse, and your bible has no problematic verse through the concept of love, changes many times of theology concept over the centuries, and allow for critical thinking and discussion of next change of generation?

You said there are many problematic verses in the Quran, then how you could conclude that verse is problematic verse? Have you refer to hadith with assistant from a qualified expert on why the verse says that? Is your guru or lecturer is qualified with PhD in Islamic? The proper teaching of Quran must be guided using quran, hadith other religious document from known Islamic figure. There are anti-hadith group claiming that they are muslim. These are the groups that cause the confusion.

From the Sunni’s point of view, Islam allows for difference of opinions that involve some laws and obligation of the sharia through 4 schools of taught or known as Madhhab:

1. Hanafi School (founded by Abu Hanifa).
Adopted by Muslims in Afghanistan , Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Central Asia, Southern Russia, parts of The Balkans, Iraq and Turkey.

2. Maliki School (founded by Malik ibn Anas).
Adopted by most Muslims of Africa except in Southern Egypt, South Africa, and Zanzibar.

3. Shafie School (founded by Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafie). Shafie was a student of Maliki.
Adopted by muslims in Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Somalia, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Kerala, India, Sri Lanka, Palestine, Yemen, Southern Egypt and the Kurds in the Kurdish regions. Shafie placed great emphasis on the Sunnah of Muhammad, as embodied in the Hadith, as a source of the Shari'ah.

4. Hanbali School (founded by Ahmad bin Hanbal)
He learned extensively from Shafie. Adopted mostly by muslim in Arabian Peninsula.

The followers of these 4 schools follow the same basic belief system but differ in terms of practice and execution of rituals, and in juristic interpretation of "divine principals" as envisaged in Quran and Hadith. However Sunni Muslims consider them all equally valid.

There are also other Sunni schools of law. However, many are followed by only small numbers of people and are relatively unknown due to the popularity of the 4 major schools.

Although the term of ‘Allah’ is written in the Arabic Bible of Orthodox Christ, and not Catholic’s Bible but it can be understood that the text in Quran is different then text in Bible using normal Arabic text, because Bible translations into Arabic are known from about 1,000 years ago. Firstly of the Jewish Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), then later also of the Christian New Testament.

To scrutinize more about Quran and bible see this (from 1 to 8):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkHk60C9ac4...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLyi2G3gQQ...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBINcFOozjU...feature=related

[kenmirzz]

Hello Mr Hailer.

You have jumped into conclusion my friend that Quran is confusing. Is this is your intention to discuss with me and to telling other people that the Quran is confusing? You want me to believe you that quran containing problematic verse,

My human friend, If it's not confusing, Muslims will unite over this book. However, they clashed even in the earliest time of Islam, don't forget about Battle of Jamal, Battle of Siffin, Battle of Nahrawan, etc. The Sunnis, Salafis, and Shias are still fighting and decapitated one another until now. This solely because of the Quran and their differing interpretations. Now, you may bring a hadith that stated Muslims will fought over the interpretation of Quran.

and your bible has no problematic verse through the concept of love

I am not a Bible-believing Christian. You presume too much my human friend. The Old Testament of the Bible contains many absurd ruthless teachings, please do not associate me with the Bible.

You said:

changes many times of theology concept over the centuries, and allow for critical thinking and discussion of next change of generation?

You forgot that even the Quran was altered and tampered with in the earliest stage of compilation. Do I have to list the hadiths about goat eating some verse sheets, the original Suraa Al-Ahzab was much longer than what you possess now, and so many traditions that clearly prove the Quran not to be authentic? Yet, you still believe despite these plenty of evidences. If Bible was changed, that doesn't mean that the Quran is right, this is logical fallacy.

You said there are many problematic verses in the Quran, then how you could conclude that verse is problematic verse?

Read the Quran on your own. Read Suraa At-Tahrim particularly, and the verse that mentioned the name "Zayd". Then you are free to go to hadith expert and let them elaborate the secret behind the revelation of these verses. There's purely zero guidance verses that have no benefit for mankind at all.

Have you refer to hadith with assistant from a qualified expert on why the verse says that? Is your guru or lecturer is qualified with PhD in Islamic?

Only a person who hold PHD in Islamic studies is allowed to discuss about the Quran? My human friend, the PHD system was invented by Non-Muslims who according to the Quran, impure, Najs, and do not deserve friendship at all. Now you are using their system as a prerequisite in understanding the Quran? That's irony.

The proper teaching of Quran must be guided using quran, hadith other religious document from known Islamic figure.

Rehashing of the old system of defense. Imam Syafie clearly said that the child of adultery is considered as not a relationship through lineage. In other words, this "known Islamic figure" believe that a daughter born of adultery cannot be linked to her father, both of them are like a non-Mahram stranger. He can marry her! This is incest. I can elaborate many more ridiculous religious verdict or fatwa by your "known Islamic figure" that will put your bone into vibrating mode. Suffice for me to say here that Islam allows unlimited sex with "right hand possess" or "Maa malakat aymaanukum" aside from the 4 wives. I challenge anyone here to disprove my claim.

From the Sunni’s point of view, Islam allows for difference of opinions that involve some laws and obligation of the sharia through 4 schools of taught or known as Madhhab:...................

Why limit to the 4 schools of thought? You have Shias, Salafi/Wahhabi as well. These three sects hate each other and believe they themselves are on the right path while the rest are hell dweller. Enough of this preposterous claim, it's sickening enough.

In case you don't know, even the 4 schools of thought have clashes among themselves. Imam Bukhari did not like Imam Abu Hanifa and called him names. Imam Ibnu Taymiya dislike Imam Ghazali, etc.

Although the term of ‘Allah’ is written in the Arabic Bible of Orthodox Christ, and not Catholic’s Bible but it can be understood that the text in Quran is different then text in Bible using normal Arabic text, because Bible translations into Arabic are known from about 1,000 years ago. Firstly of the Jewish Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), then later also of the Christian New Testament.

As I said, that word denote god and had been used many years prior to Islam.



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[yiming2000]

If Muslims are provided with full right to proselytize in the West, protected by the law, and gain many converts, then how come the Non-Muslims in Islamic countries are disallowed to do so?

Christians in Malaysia are not trying to convert Malay Malaysian Muslims with the Malay-language Bible. As Mr. Crystallized had pointed out, there are Malay-speaking natives in Sabah and Sarawak to whom Christianity has appeal. I have been invited to Christain services where Malaysian Kadazans and Ibans from East Malaysia have made testimonies in Malay. I found that peculiar because, in Malaysia, I had always associated Christianity with English. Malay, the national language of Malaysia, is commonly used among East Malaysian natives. Naturally, the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia have no need of the Malay Bible. Their parents were educated in English before the Malaysian Government change the medium of education to Malay. Also, non-Malay Malaysians fraternize easily with English speaking westerners.