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[londoh]

Of course, i totally agree!!
Hmm yea, i dont get good impresions by those old flying birds (eg. 732, MD-82, etc) though. Maskapai in Indonesia (except Garuda) should consider buying newer aircrafts! What happened to those planes stored in the desert?? do some part rusted?

I have flown hundreds of times in Indonesia and have rarely met things that were "too much". One time with a Jatayu flight to Batam there were strange noises coming from under the floor, like a few things needed some oil badly, another time with a Garuda flight from Batam the front window broke right after taking off, so it had to fly back. Sometimes they land a little bit to rough, but that can happen, nice to have a boneshaker My nicest experiences were when flying in Papua province, with more than 30 year old Merpati Twin Otters, this is real flying according to me, 17 people cramped in children size seats together with lots of barang. I remember the airfield at Serui, which is even too bad to play soccer. These Merpati pilots are very experienced bush flyers, I rather have a good pilot in an old plane than a new plane with a pilot who is still learning how he has to handle the plane, which is different than a beca. The desert is a perfect place to store planes. There must be photo's on the internet of these places in the desert, very impressive to see hundreds of planes waiting to be used (in Indonesia?) again. There are too much planes in the world, especially the older ones, which cannot be used in the USA and Europe because of regulations according pollution. That is why they can be used cheaply in countries like Indonesia. People have to be happy with that, if you know how many train and car accidents happen on Java with 10-20 people dead, but when an airplane crashes everybody panicks, very strange.

[londoh]

Photo's of airplane storage

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[mamapeace]

One time with a Jatayu flight to Batam there were strange noises coming from under the floor, like a few things needed some oil badly, another time with a Garuda flight from Batam the front window broke right after taking off, so it had to fly back.

Jatayu used 727 dont they? i saw some pics on the net and some of them have american airline style livery. pic
How did the window broke??? thats so horifying. if it happened at high altitude you would have been sucked out the plane londoh! did u have some time to put you head out of the window?? lol

here some pics of deser planes
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[londoh]

Jatayu used 727 dont they? i saw some pics on the net and some of them have american airline style livery.  pic
How did the window broke??? thats so horifying. if it happened at high altitude you would have been sucked out the plane londoh! did u have some time to put you head out of the window?? lol

here some pics of deser planes 
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The Jatayu plane was a 737 painted in the most eye-hurting pink I have ever seen, and so were the uniforms of the stewardesses.

The window that broke on that Garudaflight was the front window in the cockpit, so none of the passengers remarked anything it also happened during take off, maybe a collusion with a big bird or so

[mamapeace]

The window that broke on that Garudaflight was the front window in the cockpit, so none of the passengers remarked anything it also happened during take off, maybe a collusion with a big bird or so 

Geez, was the pilot and copilot alright then?? that must have been a big fat bird i believe. how come it wasnt on the news or maybe it was but i didnt know, hahaha.

[udin_aja]

the bird must be massive...

[londoh]

.................  how come it wasnt on the news or maybe it was but i didnt know, hahaha.

Because it is no news, like a car with a flat tire, one never hears of that.

[mamapeace]

.................  how come it wasnt on the news or maybe it was but i didnt know, hahaha.

Because it is no news, like a car with a flat tire, one never hears of that.

haha i mean like its a uniqe thing that happened isnt it? btw glad to hear that you all safe!

[londoh]

haha i mean like its a uniqe thing that happened isnt it? btw glad to hear that you all safe!

Actually when a thing like this happens they won't tell the passengers, only afterwards one hears this news, so no need for cheap thrills. Actually I don't know what scare or panic is, I am quite cool. One time I flew with Air Lanka (in a nice Lockheed TriStar foto) from Abu Dhabi to Colombo whem the plane entered a heavy turbulance, just when they were serving food and drinks on board, what a mess that was. The Sri Lankan woman sitting next to me really panicked, she grabbed my shirt and started to shout and to cry, that is not so nice when one sees other people acting like that as they don't listen anymore, a nasty situation when something really happens. When I fly to Amsterdam sometimes people also get scared, in the Nethetlands it can be very windy and an airplane has to turn and turn to find the right angle to land (Schiphol Airport has 5 runways for different winddirections) A Boeing 747-400 departs from Singapore with lots of fuel (240.000 litres) but when it arrives near Amsterdam most of this fuel is used so the plane is much lighter, it sometimes moves like a kite, so it can be quite shaky inside. I like to watch the reactions and faces of other passengers in a situation like that.

[nama_user]

Is Mojave desert the one u said used for keeping planes??

[Nickyta]

a flight with Garuda... oh yes.. i remember when i went to Bali. It was good. no bumpy ride.
it's not like the one i use for flight to Medan (can't give you the name). it was kinda bumpy, no wonder, it was a small plane and the weather was unpredictable.
thank God, nothing happened.

[nama_user]

But u can't predict turbulance, can u?

[Bohemian]

I know this is an extra old article, but I heard that Garuda will be on sale soon. Do you further details??

I used Garuda to Indonesia in 2004, Ams-Jkt-Ams flights. Both were very enjoyable, actually. The aircraft a bit old, but excellent service..

I sincerely hope that the company would eventually fully "awake" and have the fullest right to stand proud among the other excellent airliners, such as MAS, SIA or TG.

[Kopassus]

I know this is an extra old article, but I heard that Garuda will be on sale soon. Do you further details??

I used Garuda to Indonesia in 2004, Ams-Jkt-Ams flights. Both were very enjoyable, actually. The aircraft a bit old, but excellent service.. 

I sincerely hope that the company would eventually fully "awake" and have the fullest right to stand proud among the other excellent airliners, such as MAS, SIA or TG.

I only know if Garuda will be sold(negotiations with KLM and Lufthansa), not more than 49%. Garuda is a state owned company, and the goverment dont want to sell more than 49% to keep the ownership, so they can garantee the people of Indonesia that they have a airline company.
Garuda always used B 747-400's for flights between Jkt and Europa, these aircrafts are not old, bought in '90-'95 . I still remember the landings are always smooth, Garuda pilots are famous for there smooth landings.

[Bohemian]

I believe Garuda Indonesia, as many other Indonesian companies, have the potential to be a healthy company. But, it seems that personal interests are almost always the bigger determinant for Indonesians..

I heard the company's frantically upgrading its services now. Let's see how far it can go.

[malaccan]

I sincerely hope that the company would eventually fully "awake" and have the fullest right to stand proud among the other excellent airliners, such as MAS, SIA or TG.

MAS is not doing too well, Bohemian. It's in a lot of debt. A lot.

[sido]

I sincerely hope that the company would eventually fully "awake" and have the fullest right to stand proud among the other excellent airliners, such as MAS, SIA or TG.

It was awake, it was flying strong for many years ... garuda was the strongest in SE for a long time and second in asia if im not mistaken and it got infected by the corruption disease and is now very ill

Garuda is kept flying by the countries funds because it has a mission to the country is to fly to all parts of indonesia regardless ... thats why the goverment is taking the brunt of the garuda debt. On paper though garuda should not be in debt but alas it is.

There are some hardcore clowns in there and if these hardcore clowns arnt taken out well ... the end result is going to be obvious. Lets just see if there are any changes by the end of this year - early next year

[Bohemian]

It was awake, it was flying strong for many years ... garuda was the strongest in SE for a long time and second in asia if im not mistaken and it got infected by the corruption disease and is now very ill

Garuda is kept flying by the countries funds because it has a mission to the country is to fly to all parts of indonesia regardless ... thats why the goverment is taking the brunt of the garuda debt. On paper though garuda should not be in debt but alas it is.

There are some hardcore clowns in there and if these hardcore clowns arnt taken out well ... the end result is going to be obvious. Lets just see if there are any changes by the end of this year - early next year

Yep, as always, I believe there're the hardliners resistant to the proposed changes. I'm afraid that these guys are influenced by foreigners.. By the way, Mas Sid, how do you know about the time frame (end of this year - early next year)?

MAS is not doing too well, Bohemian. It's in a lot of debt. A lot.

Well, at least MAS has upgraded its services and facilities to such an excellent level. Of course, nothing is for free. About Garuda, it hasn't even installed PTV on its B-744s and if the PTVs are standard on the A-330, I guess the choice of programmes should be rather poor.

I know that installing PTVs isn't such a hard job nowadays, but Garuda should start with the management.

[Bohemian]

Well, hopefully not another "omong kosong"..

Garuda to Resume Flights to Europe and Middle East

State-owned airline, Garuda Indonesia plans early next year to resume its European and Middle East routes which ceased operations the last eight years due to the economic crisis.

Garuda's vice president operation, Ari Sapari made the statement recently, "We hope by early next year Garuda will be serving the Jakarta-Dubai route, follows by resuming flights to some European cities."

Before the economic crisis, the Indonesian flag carrier flew to Amsterdam (the Netherlands), Frankfurt (Germany), London (UK) and Paris (France). Except Paris, Sapari mentioned the other three European cities which Garuda will resume its service to Europe.

Dubai will be a new destination for Garuda. In the past, all of its flights to and from Europe made a stop-over in Abu-Dhabi. As Dubai is becoming the "Singapore of the Middle East," Garuda like other international carriers, will make this city as major hub to Europe.

Sapari is very optimistic Garuda will gain significant shares on the Jakarta-Dubai route which presently serve by the Middle East airliners, among other Emirates, and recently Etihad Airways. (DS)

[londoh]

Well, hopefully not another "omong kosong"..
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Dubai will be a new destination for Garuda. In the past, all of its flights to and from Europe made a stop-over in Abu-Dhabi. As Dubai is becoming the "Singapore of the Middle East," Garuda like other international carriers, will make this city as major hub to Europe.

Since Garuda stopped it's flights to Europe there are constantly rumors they will resume these. I never understood why they stopped, as the planes AMS - CGK - AMS were always full and the price was normal, not cheap not expensive. My estimation was "mismanagement" as they also had a very good reputation and lot of 'fans" like me.

What is said about Dubai is not true, the flights to and from Amsterdam were since years directly with only a stopover in Singapore.