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Surely rare breed member...(Central Asian), Here's my little preface
Saiak
post Feb 2 2010, 09:57 PM
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Hi everyone!
I'm new to this forum and certainly need your help in determining whether Central Asians are considered as East Asians in the West. My situation is rather awkward. As a Kyrgyz living in North America, people would always "associate" me with the East Asian culture, but now I'm feeling it's a bit hypocritical considering the opposing nomadic lifestyle of Central Asia. I'm proud of being a Turk or Turkic, though it's quite frustrating to explain all the differences to ignorant masses of rednecks. So what'd you suggest? Can I even identify myself as an Asian?

PS^ definitely stupid post, but I really need some opinions concerning the issue...
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post Feb 2 2010, 11:56 PM
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I never consider turk as asian, you look more caucasian, but I seriously don't get why white people hate turks so much, they just slightly look different than them
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post Feb 3 2010, 12:15 AM
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Luckily, I have never experienced an openly hateful act towards myself only because of my Turkic origin. As far as I'm concerned, they do not know anything about Altaic people, nor do they care. The funniest thing is that I look quite Asian with minor facial and physical differences, but I cannot really relate to the assumed American Asian stereotypes. Damn... It's confusing

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post Feb 4 2010, 02:51 PM
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Hey there, I am East Asian myself (Taiwanese) and I've been interested in reading up Turkic Central Asian and Altaic cultures for a while now. I would probably consider you Asian too, or a 'Turkic Asian'. I totally understand the frustration you face when meeting people who have no clue whatsoever on how there can be people (Central Asians) that are supposed to be Asians but are also 'Turks' at the same time. The controversial debate always has been that the modern Anatolian Turkish people of Turkey were originally Asians from Central Asia (Turkestan) and Mongolia who mixed with Middle-Eastern people and became what they looked like today, some will admit to this, some won't. Thereby, the Central Asians from the '-stan' countries (with the exception of Tajikistan, who are related to Persians) can probably be said to be the original Turks.

So to answer your question, you can probably say you are an 'Asian Turk', or simply Central Asian...and many of you do look mixed so those who are can probably say they are Eurasians. Anyways, welcome (from another new member LOL)...and I will always consider you Turkics as my 'Asian cousins' whether you be Kirghiz, Tatar, Kazakh, Uyghur, Uzbek or Turkmen. icon_smile.gif

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post Feb 4 2010, 05:36 PM
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The controversial debate always has been that the modern Anatolian Turkish people of Turkey were originally Asians from Central Asia (Turkestan) and Mongolia who mixed with Middle-Eastern people and became what they looked like today, some will admit to this, some won't.


Well... that's kind of true. The most interesting thing is that Turkics are truly diverse. Now you've got Central Asian Turks(partly Russiafied as well as under Islamic influence), Siberian Turks(pure??), and Turks from Anatolia(Ottoman Empire, Mameluks), and we all look different. There is no way to determine the exact appearance of Proto - Turks, however, I'm 99% sure we had asiatic features with light hair and coloured eyes.

Really impressed by your knowledge and interest in that kind of things! Now, I realize the stupidity of all the race thing, but it's totally prevailing in North America...sigh

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post Feb 9 2010, 06:07 AM
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In America they won't be able to tell they'll probably just think you are Mexican or something. And Asian just means your origins are from a country in the Asian continent, which includes Russia. In the U.K. Asian means Indian and in America it usually is referring to China, Japan, or Korea. And I don't think there's such thing as East Asian culture unless it's something like really terrible pop music.

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post Feb 10 2010, 02:40 AM
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i thought all asians were chinese
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QUOTE (Saiak @ Feb 2 2010, 08:57 PM) *
Hi everyone!
I'm new to this forum and certainly need your help in determining whether Central Asians are considered as East Asians in the West. My situation is rather awkward. As a Kyrgyz living in North America, people would always "associate" me with the East Asian culture, but now I'm feeling it's a bit hypocritical considering the opposing nomadic lifestyle of Central Asia. I'm proud of being a Turk or Turkic, though it's quite frustrating to explain all the differences to ignorant masses of rednecks. So what'd you suggest? Can I even identify myself as an Asian?

PS^ definitely stupid post, but I really need some opinions concerning the issue...


Most Americans are not aware that Turkic people exist. The ones who know something would think about Turkey if you told them you were Turkic but of course we all know that Turkey is a nation of "Turkified" Semitic Middle Easterners. What you can do is tell them that your culture is similar to that of Mongolia. Many people in America (not all) know about Mongolia because of Genghis Khan.

Yeah, a lot of Americans think Mongoloids are all Chinese. If not Chinese, they will probably guess Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese.

The US Census classifies Central Asians as "whites" but I think that is mainly because of Russia's influence. In my opinion, the Central Asians who look more Mongoloid (Kazakhs and Kyrgyz) should identify themselves as "Asian." Fill in "Turkic" on the blank for "other Asians."

As for other posters, I wouldn't say Kazakhs and Kyrgyz look Mexican. They are too Asian looking to pass for Mexican. If a Kazakh or Kyrgyz showed up in a Mexican community, he or she would get labeled "Chinese." I live in Texas which has a large population of Mexicans. I think Mexicans look more like Polynesians or Native Hawaiians. If you think Polynesians look Asian then it is obvious you have never met one before.

QUOTE (Saiak @ Feb 2 2010, 11:15 PM) *
Luckily, I have never experienced an openly hateful act towards myself only because of my Turkic origin. As far as I'm concerned, they do not know anything about Altaic people, nor do they care. The funniest thing is that I look quite Asian with minor facial and physical differences, but I cannot really relate to the assumed American Asian stereotypes. Damn... It's confusing


When Americans think about Asians, the first thing that comes to mind is a rice farmer wearing a straw hat who speaks Chinese. Either that or a nerdy engineer programming a computer. If not that then a martial artist. Those straw hats actually seem more common in Vietnam than in China.

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