Taiwan Revising History Options

[福州市长]

Taiwanese high school students could soon be rather confused by the island’s authorities’ draft outline of history courses for 2006, which proposes dramatic alterations to the way the subject is taught.

The document, published on Tuesday, detaches the province from Chinese history, separating events after the Revolution of 1911 from the history of the island.

The province’s education minister said that the period of the Republic of China belongs to Chinese history and has nothing to do with Taiwan.

Some in the island’s media have asked whether, using this logic, Dr Sun Yat-sen, leader of the revolution that overthrew the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) to end a 2,000-year-old feudal system and respected as “Father of the Nation” by many, has now become a foreigner.

That Taiwan’s education minister has denied its status as a province of China in this way is widely seen as further evidence of the Democratic Progressive Party’s growing distaste for the island’s Chinese identity.

The draft could be read as a continuation of pro-independence supporters’ desire for “desinification” to distance Taiwan from the motherland.

Since Chen Shui-bian took office in 2000, promoting “desinification” and “name rectification” policies, separatist forces have been engaged in an attempt to remove everything from Taiwan that conveys a connection to the mainland.

Of course, the long-standing legal reality is that Taiwan is not an independent state but has been and still is a part of China.

The island came under the jurisdiction of Fujian Province as early as the 12th century, and the founding of the People’s Republic of China in 1949 only changed the country’s government, not its scope of sovereignty – a fact recognized by the international community.

To sever Taiwan’s history from China’s is an attempt by separatists to blur recognition of one nation among the people, in particular schoolchildren, and gradually dilute their sense of being Chinese.

This can only work against the interests of people on both sides of the straits who want peace and stability as well as prosperity.
www.china.org.cn

This post has been edited by 福州市长: Nov 11 2004, 06:56 PM

[Archangel-X]

This should be moved to the Taiwan forum.

福州市长, please quote the source of your article.

Then we'll comment.

[福州市长]

hell.. no i'm not moving it to taiwanese chatroom... taiwan is part of China.. it should stay in chinese chatroom..

[chinese_waffenSS]

This psychotic fool must be stopped from brainwashing the youths of Taiwan of his lies and deranged paranoia.

This post has been edited by chinese_waffenSS: Nov 11 2004, 06:58 PM

[damahu69]

that's right .. the whole taiwanese chat thing is a stupid idea.

are there going to be sections for HK, Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan etc too?

[caolucai]

notice how this forum is called "Chinese" chat and not "China" chat. Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese but so are many Singaporeans, Malayasians, Indonesians, etc. the topic of this thread is directly related to Taiwanese, therefore, it has to be be placed under the Taiwanese forum

^to 福州市長
how many times do i have to tell you NOT to read about Taiwanese issues from CCP-controlled sources/media? you know fully well that whatever the CCP tells you would be biased... (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

moderators, please move this thread. thank you (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by caolucai: Nov 11 2004, 08:11 PM

[ComradeJing]

Just another step in the desinicization of Taiwan as the separatists struggle to promote their traitorous agenda. Should this be surprising? No. Is it disheartening? Yes. However, I am confidant that the traitors are inherently cowards and will cower from a stroke of the whip.

I should also point to you traitor(caolucai), that those quislings at the Taipei Times have reported the same thing, except they are more gleeful.

This post has been edited by ComradeJing: Nov 11 2004, 08:16 PM

[caolucai]

sigh...stubborness, plus, traitor to what?

nothing wrong w/ differentiating Taiwanese history and learning more about it. it's like studying in the U.S. but only learning about European history (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif)

This post has been edited by caolucai: Nov 11 2004, 08:31 PM

[ComradeJing]

A traitor the Republic of China.

[caolucai]

A traitor the Republic of China.

wtf, you're a MAINLANDER, you don't even recognize the ROC, i freakin have a ROC passport. what would you be then?

This post has been edited by caolucai: Nov 11 2004, 08:33 PM

[ComradeJing]

Just because the Republic of China is an illegitimate rebel government, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile.gif) I am willing to be pragmatic. Better the rebels we know and can deal with (RoC) than taidu running dogs (RoT).

[caolucai]

so you do recognize the ROC government as a sovereign entitiy? if it's not, how can i possibly be a tratior to a country that doesn't exist? if you do recognize the ROC, then wouldn't that make YOU the TRAITOR to the PRC?

plus, i have never once said i supported ROT, i simply wanted to make it clear Taiwan belongs to the ROC and not the CCP controlled PRC (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/sure.gif) i insist Taiwan does not belong to China because the PRC is internationally recognized as China

This post has been edited by caolucai: Nov 11 2004, 08:46 PM

[直隸總督]

中華民國萬歲

[ComradeJing]

They aren't a sovereignty entity, just a rebel group. One can negotiate either. It's not that you a traitor to a country that doesn't exist. You are simply double the rebel. Whether or not you support any "RoT" is irrevelant. Supporting the permanent seccession of the territory of Taiwan from centralized Chinese administration is treason enough whether it be in the form of RoC or RoT.

[caolucai]

操．．．誰屌你阿 i'll be patriotic to whatever i please; using your logic, everyone on the island of Taiwan would be a traitor...to a government that never had any control over the island or even had any contact with its people...

中華民國萬歲

[直隸總督]

中華人民共和國 = 國際承認的中國唯一合法政府
中華民國 = 歷史上繼承大清的正統政權

As a Chinese nationalist, I consider ROC to be more legitimate. Screw the international. Long Live Sinocentrism

This post has been edited by 直隸總督: Nov 11 2004, 08:56 PM

[caolucai]

^agreed!! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[浪淘音]

^agreed!! (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

oh please, you're hardly a Sinocentrist. Your support of the ROC is completely different than the reason why Du supports it

[ComradeJing]

Quite untrue, plenty of people on Taiwan are connected to the mainland government in some manner, afterall Lee Teng Hui was once himself a member of the Communist Party of China. (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As for the RoC/PRC debate, the RoC may have succeeded the Qing empire, but the PRC has succeeded the RoC. You may regard the RoC as morally legitimate successor to be the government of China, but that doesn't matter since the actual government is the PRC.

[直隸總督]

As for the RoC/PRC debate, the RoC may have succeeded the Qing empire, but the PRC has succeeded the RoC. You may regard the RoC as morally legitimate successor to be the government of China, but that doesn't matter since the actual government is the PRC.

PRC did not succeed ROC. The ROC never abdicated and transferred the mandate of heaven to Mao Zedong.