Japan is Taiwan's favorite nation Options

[mndeg]

lol @ mainlander fobs making things up about Taiwan

there's no reason for Taiwan to like China over Japan, first of all your media is terrible so nothing interesting that is modern comes out of China and compare that to Japan the second most economically powerful country in the world that has a well developed leisure class

retards



This post has been edited by mndeg: May 7 2010, 10:27 AM

[badparticle]

.. media ...

What about first hand experience? Media can only do so much.

[mndeg]

First hand experience? Like Chinese people pooping in public?

[zombie]

lol @ mainlander fobs making things up about Taiwan

there's no reason for Taiwan to like China over Japan, first of all your media is terrible so nothing interesting that is modern comes out of China and compare that to Japan the second most economically powerful country in the world that has a well developed leisure class

retards

lol pretty much. The PRC is infamous. Human rights violations, censorship, milk scandals, lead toys etc. You can't really blame Taiwanese for not looking up to China ( also factor in the fact that China has a couple thousand missiles pointed directly at us)

What I love about China is its ancient history and culture. Unfortunately a lot of that was lost in the cultural revolution.

[tch]

Personally, I think Japanophiles like Denghuilee are a disgrace to the Taiwanese.

I admire the Japanese mindset but I don't idolise them.

Just because they love Japan doesn't mean the Japanese will see them as their own. Some people just don't get this.

This post has been edited by tch: May 10 2010, 01:56 AM

[badparticle]

First hand experience? Like Chinese people pooping in public?

defecating in public is not attractive, but that's not it. When Taiwanese people travel to japan, or talk to Japanese, or trade with Japanese, they find things they like or dislike.
The overall, cumulative result is that Japan is most popular, followed by America.


IMO It is wrong to assume that Taiwanese like certain countries in order to be "seen as one of them."
Only those who lack the basic ability to appreciate other people can make this kind of assumption.

This post has been edited by badparticle: May 10 2010, 05:03 PM

[mndeg]

Going completely offtopic to troll and flamebait.

"Like Chinese people pooping in public?"

I actually got a warning by han2 for being correct and on topic. Strange. I think he's ignorant about the public affairs of Chinese people in China.

defecating in public is not attractive, but that's not it. When Taiwanese people travel to japan, or talk to Japanese, or trade with Japanese, they find things they like or dislike.

Yeah definitely not comparable.

This post has been edited by mndeg: May 10 2010, 11:24 PM

[chiuchimu]

I think Taiwan and Japan are very similar, that is why it is easy for us to get along.

If it was up to me, Taiwan would get special treatment for Visa, Green-card, or Citizenship in Japan, but just as the pole showed that China was the most important country to deal with for the Taiwanese, the same holds for the Japanese Government. In fact, no country in the world can make a decision about anything without including China in the equation.

With that said, It would be nice to see Taiwan get its independence if the Taiwanese choose to pursue that route.

[Putonghua]

lol @ mainlander fobs making things up about Taiwan

there's no reason for Taiwan to like China over Japan, first of all your media is terrible so nothing interesting that is modern comes out of China and compare that to Japan the second most economically powerful country in the world that has a well developed leisure class

retards

Sorry but this particular part ''Japan the second most economically powerful country in the world'' is not entirely true... Even though Japan is the country with the second highest nominal GDP (GDP PPP 3rd) in the world, but when it comes to economic power/influence does (for obvious reasons) not hold the nr 2 spot. That spot would go to either China or the EU (if you consider it as a single entity/country that is)... GDP size does not automatically/necessarily reflect GDP power/influence...

And about nothing modern coming out of China, I can only say that you have to look at things in relative terms since China is in a entirely different development stage as Japan (and even now China is ahead of Japan in certain areas)...

Lets keeps things realistic ok ;-)

This post has been edited by Putonghua: May 16 2010, 02:06 PM

[SinoRising]

More than half the population [of Taiwan] listed Japan as their favorite country, a survey conducted by Japan’s representative office in Taiwan has found.

I am calling bullsh!t on this, I knew a friend who's from Taiwan who said he wouldn't buy or eat anything japanese. This is some silly propaganda by using selective persons to get a poll result in a specific way, doesn't mean sh!t to me.

I also know another friend from Taiwan, and one Korean whom think highly of China

This post has been edited by SinoRising: May 16 2010, 09:15 PM

[Red Fox Ace]

More than half the population [of Taiwan] listed Japan as their favorite country, a survey conducted by Japan’s representative office in Taiwan has found.

I am calling bullsh!t on this, I knew a friend who's from Taiwan who said he wouldn't buy or eat anything japanese. This is some silly propaganda by using selective persons to get a poll result in a specific way, doesn't mean sh!t to me.

I also know another friend from Taiwan, and one Korean whom think highly of China

So? What if he's in the <50% of Taiwanese people who didn't list Japan as their favorite country?



You're ridiculous, using 1 person alone as a sample to judge an entire island's population.

[chiuchimu]

Another reason Japan and Taiwan get along. We both have REALLY cute girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cute Taiwanese girls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou_NgJ2dClc...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtR-Z2riX8E...feature=related

A Japanese girl in Taiwan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhZaPknANjA...feature=related

[jagsnumpty]

i am just going to say that perhaps thats is why we see so many influences of Japanese in Taiwan in terms of their food and buildings.

[thegoblinprince]

Gheez... Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Taiwan was a part of Japan for 50 years from 1895 - 1945? Taiwanese were considered Japanese citizens and 300,000 Taiwanese (as Japanese citizens) fought for the Empire of Japan in WWII. Guess who was bombing Taipei during WWII? China and the U.S. Guess who is pointing 2000 missiles at Taiwan TODAY? China. You figure out why Taiwanese feel close to Japan and not to China.

[zoopiter]

Many would not have realized that taiwan have a long colonial history. While the Dutch and Manchu had not bear significant influence, taiwan had a significant 50 years of intended nipponification followed by another 50 years of imposed sinification which makes people often compare the two. Chinese feel bitter becos they expect Taiwanese to identify with the chinese and feel the same as the chinese towards the japanese. Just like chinese can't feel much towards German becos they didn't suffer under the Nazi, many didn't realize that taiwan did not suffer under japanese rule.

Taiwanese are being historically neutral to japanese war atrocities but look up to certain values that they believe that the japanese are stronger in, such as innovation, integrity, discipline, passion, politeness, professionalism, pride in work.

While japanese right wing appears active, they hardly represents the majority that the Taiwanese see in real life. Likewise chinese chauvinism in taiwan is just as common a phenomenon but often appears louder than it really is. So it won't be surprising to see that people whose family are migrated after WWII still see themselves as chinese and get emotional when it comes to stuff like the senkaku and claim to represent the others while survey shows the reverse where a majority that sees japan in good light.

This post has been edited by zoopiter: Apr 13 2011, 08:07 AM

[Hugham]

Somehow, the reason people in Taiwan praising Japan, is because Taiwan is so ugly and the local people can't consolidating himself to make Taiwan better than Japan and S Korea. So they keep dreaming, praising and idolizing other superior country like Japan and probably S Korea. It has been decades, and yet, Taiwan can't outperform Japan......and I don't see any hope too for the next decades. Plagued by inferior mentality?

Stop idolizing Japanese, Korean and American. Be confidence and proud of yourself. Do your homework and make Taiwan became better than anyone else. It will takes time to increase GDP per capita beyond Japan and S Korea level, but for now Taiwan can clean up and beautification their city/islands. Improving and perfecting the bureaucracy to be more people friendly and professional, develop world best public services, increase education quality, perfecting public healthcare, etc. To became a perfect beautiful place, far better than Japan and anywhere else. An envy to the whole world.

It's not hard to do.......just need a will and hardworking.......remove all the barbaric and inferior mentality.

Let those Japanese, Korean and Whites people idolizing Taiwan.

This post has been edited by Hugham: Apr 22 2011, 12:11 PM

[ricefarmer912]

I'll agree that Taiwan is not THE most beautiful country and it's cities could use some updating. But I think a lot of people keep associating dirty parts of a city with inferior mentality. In which, they have nothing to do with each other. New York isn't the cleanest of cities and has some really old shabby places -but I don't think I (or anyone for that matter) can characterize New York culture and mentality as a whole based on that.

GDP also isn't the greatest measurement of a nation's welfare. A higher GDP does not automatically lead to success, it just means there's a higher amount of economic activity with respect to consumption, government, investments, and net exports. GDP goes up when factoring negative negative externalities such as spending money to recover from natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, or the Japanese Tsunami. (which, btw is REALLY hard to increase just by saying "let's increase Taiwan's GDP!, MUCH easier said than done).

Anyway, going on topic to why Japan is Taiwan's favorite nation. I'm getting tired of seeing people citing "Taiwanese just wish to be Japanese, they are copycats, blah blah blah" and nonsense like that. I think the biggest load of bull I've seen is when some people say the Taiwanese are proud of being a Japanese colony as that is definitely not the case.

My grandmother, a Hakka minority in Taiwan (big minority there) was raised under the Japanese education system as a child. Because of this, she is fluent in Japanese, Mandarin, Hakka, and Taiwanese. The Japanese did bring some good implementations of railroads and such, but the Japanese did essentially treat the people in Taiwan as a somewhat lower class (although treated relatively better than the Koreans).

My mother however, sometimes resents the Japanese occupation (Who likes someone else occupying your house?) but at the same time admires some aspects of Japanese culture.

I think the Taiwanese admiration of Japan is very much similar to the American admiration of European culture. It's a relatively successful first world country with sophistication in its mindsets and mannerisms, and brings out huge pop culture influences (I mean seriously, who HASN'T played Pokemon lol). However, I do not believe this makes Taiwan want to be Japanese in any sort, it's just admiration. I've met many people from Taiwan and they're proud of that identity. People don't hate on Germans now for WWII, it's a different government, different set of people --> same with Japan, Japan is different, it's not the imperialistic power it used to be.

(haha, sorry for the loooong entry, it's pretty much a response to everything i've read on these forums, not to a single particular person)

[progen]

I'll agree that Taiwan is not THE most beautiful country and it's cities could use some updating. But I think a lot of people keep associating dirty parts of a city with inferior mentality. In which, they have nothing to do with each other. New York isn't the cleanest of cities and has some really old shabby places -but I don't think I (or anyone for that matter) can characterize New York culture and mentality as a whole based on that.

GDP also isn't the greatest measurement of a nation's welfare. A higher GDP does not automatically lead to success, it just means there's a higher amount of economic activity with respect to consumption, government, investments, and net exports. GDP goes up when factoring negative negative externalities such as spending money to recover from natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, or the Japanese Tsunami. (which, btw is REALLY hard to increase just by saying "let's increase Taiwan's GDP!, MUCH easier said than done).

Anyway, going on topic to why Japan is Taiwan's favorite nation. I'm getting tired of seeing people citing "Taiwanese just wish to be Japanese, they are copycats, blah blah blah" and nonsense like that. I think the biggest load of bull I've seen is when some people say the Taiwanese are proud of being a Japanese colony as that is definitely not the case.

My grandmother, a Hakka minority in Taiwan (big minority there) was raised under the Japanese education system as a child. Because of this, she is fluent in Japanese, Mandarin, Hakka, and Taiwanese. The Japanese did bring some good implementations of railroads and such, but the Japanese did essentially treat the people in Taiwan as a somewhat lower class (although treated relatively better than the Koreans).

My mother however, sometimes resents the Japanese occupation (Who likes someone else occupying your house?) but at the same time admires some aspects of Japanese culture.

I think the Taiwanese admiration of Japan is very much similar to the American admiration of European culture. It's a relatively successful first world country with sophistication in its mindsets and mannerisms, and brings out huge pop culture influences (I mean seriously, who HASN'T played Pokemon lol). However, I do not believe this makes Taiwan want to be Japanese in any sort, it's just admiration. I've met many people from Taiwan and they're proud of that identity. People don't hate on Germans now for WWII, it's a different government, different set of people --> same with Japan, Japan is different, it's not the imperialistic power it used to be.

(haha, sorry for the loooong entry, it's pretty much a response to everything i've read on these forums, not to a single particular person)

Admiring the Japanese culture? Well, if you a farmer, of course you are going to admire the culture of city people.

Any educated person who has knowledge of Japanese culture will tell you that Japanese indigenous culture is just slightly above what can be considered primitive. It is from the Chinese culture that the Japanese got their high culture.

So do you see a lot of well educated Chinese admiring the Japanese culture?

This post has been edited by progen: May 11 2011, 11:01 AM

[ricefarmer912]

Admiring the Japanese culture? Well, if you a farmer, of course you are going to admire the culture of city people.

Any educated person who has knowledge of Japanese culture will tell you that Japanese indigenous culture is just slightly above what can be considered primitive. It is from the Chinese culture that the Japanese got their high culture.

So do you see a lot of well educated Chinese admiring the Japanese culture?

Haha, I'm no farmer -but I admire every Asian culture for what it brings to the table. I won't entirely disagree with you that Japanese culture learned a thing or two from the Chinese, but ultimately the Japanese culture is a product of many aspects -and only one of them being Chinese culture. (after all, I'm pretty sure some of it has to be based on their own knowledge and adaption) Every culture known presently today is an interpretation or derivation of another in some way shape or form. It just becomes a pain in the neck to formally trace everything based on who what when and where.

[Lens]

Admiring the Japanese culture? Well, if you a farmer, of course you are going to admire the culture of city people.

Any educated person who has knowledge of Japanese culture will tell you that Japanese indigenous culture is just slightly above what can be considered primitive. It is from the Chinese culture that the Japanese got their high culture.

So do you see a lot of well educated Chinese admiring the Japanese culture?

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