The Suppression of Cantonese Becomes Vigorous Options

[pka7]

Everything starts from a proposal that demands Guangzhou TV to become a Mandarin channel.
The news made it to yahoo English.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100707/lf_af..._20100707160851
After the revelation of this very proposal, many Cantonese crazily shared the picture of the statue of Yuen Sung Wun 袁崇煥, the legendary Cantonese military commander of Ming Dynasty, in sina micro-blog(Twitter copycat), because there is a sign of his beloved Cantonese slogan - "掉哪媽！頂硬上!" (f*** his mom! Hit the Hard!), under his statue.

People shared it to vent off their anger of this aggressive plan of Mandarin promotion and to support Cantonese.
Yesterday, there were even some young people organized a flash mob in Guangzhou to support Cantonese and oppose Mandarin promotion.

The banner means"Cantonese take off. Mandarin f*** off"



Today, Nan Fang Daily reported that the sign of Yuen Sung Wun's slogan was taken away[!


http://gcontent.oeeee.com/1/93/193002e6687...031/18ba1e.html

[Mid-Night_Sun]

i heard from one person that people in canton speak more mandarin now anyway. i actually didnt think they would be upset.

[zombie]

Adopting China's official language, also known as Putonghua, would promote unity, "forge a good language environment" and cater to non-Cantonese-speaking Chinese visitors at the huge sporting event, authorities were quoted as saying.

How retarded are these idiots. How long will it take them to realize that banning and supressing the native languages of people won't promote "unity" but instead cause resentment? Honestly, this feels like a concept that even 12 year olds would understand.

Why can't they appreciate the diversity and variety in the Han culture (and all other cultures for that matter)? Making Mandarin the national language is fine since it allows everyone to communicate, but trying to suppress other dialects is totally unnecessary.

[millersdude]

No cities in China have their own local language TV channels. Why Guangzhou should be different? Can you imagine you are in Shanghai and they have their TV channels broadcasted in Shanghaiese? Especially now more than half of the Guangzhou population consists of people from other regions in China. Understanding the local broadcasting TV is a problem for them. Before the government doesn’t really care about the Cantonese TV channels, but now with enough people complain they are not able to understand the local TV broadcasting, I guess the government has to do something about it. In China, Mandarin is the official spoken language. The government has tried to enforce the standards across China since they adopt it. Otherwise people in China will not be to communicate with others. There are hundreds different spoken languages in China if not thousands. Every 50 mile, people have their own local languages.

[tianya]

I always think if u can not 入乡随俗, why not just stay at ur hometown?
BTW I also supported other cities in china open its own dialect TV program, including Beijingese(they can use as much R as they like in their own dialect TV program )

This post has been edited by tianya: Jul 13 2010, 09:13 AM

[millersdude]

i heard from one person that people in canton speak more mandarin now anyway. i actually didnt think they would be upset.

Yes, most Cantonese don’t really care about it. No one watch Guangzhou TV channels anyway. The programming is bad. Why do they watch it when they have TVB channels from Hong Kong? It beats Guangzhou TV channels any day. Most of Guangzhou TV channel prime programs are TVB TV series anyway.

[tianya]

^
Have u ever been to Guangdong?

[SoCal]

Is the population of Cantonese people at least 100 million?

[Titanium]

Making Mandarin the national language is fine since it allows everyone to communicate, but trying to suppress other dialects is totally unnecessary.

THIS

[millersdude]

^
Have u ever been to Guangdong?

Yes, I went to Guangdong several years ago. I went with my friends and visited their relatives in Guangdong. Some of their relatives have cable TV. I turned the TV on and surfed the cable. I found there were 64 cable TV channels and most of them spoke in Mandarin dialect. When I turned to Guangzhou TV channels, I found they spoke Cantonese and had TVB TV series on, which was no surprise. It is the same as Taiwan. Most of Taiwanese cable TV channels are in Mandarin. Couple of them are in another dialects, which I don’t quite understand. I think it is probably Hokenese or others.

[DevineCarrier]

ok

[tianya]

Yes, I went to Guangdong several years ago. I went with my friends and visited their relatives in Guangdong. Some of their relatives have cable TV. I turned the TV on and surfed the cable. I found there were 64 cable TV channels and most of them spoke in Mandarin dialect. When I turned to Guangzhou TV channels, I found they spoke Cantonese and had TVB TV series on, which was no surprise. It is the same as Taiwan. Most of Taiwanese cable TV channels are in Mandarin. Couple of them are in another dialects, which I don’t quite understand. I think it is probably Hokenese or others.

So as I have pointed, it is not Guangzhou's false but other province also should promote its own dialect.
I think 64 channel is enough for those mandarin speakers. Why not give some space for those locals?
Stop speaking for Guangzhou locals.

This post has been edited by tianya: Jul 13 2010, 08:01 PM

[GunNRoses]

can a TV channel affects so much to the extent of extincting the local dialect ?
i think the problem lies more on the mandarin speakign immigrants to guongdong rather than what language they speak on that channel
i dont mean to offend the mandarin speakers but i heard guongdong begun to speak more mandarin now because of the mass immigration from the north


by the way i heard this has nothing to do with the central government its just the local guongzhou governmetn that want to lick the @$$ of beijing

[InitialDJay]

lol why can't they have both mandarin and cantonese on prime time so if ppl want to listen to cantonese, then go to cantonese channel or mandarin, then go to mandarin.

[MiCC]

Should let the guangzhou people vote for it, oh wait durr china is communist lol

[Titanium]

Cantonese nor any Chinese dialect will ever die so long as it spoken at home or the local social level........Guangzhou channels can be broadcasted in Mandarin (Not surprising since it is China's official language) but as long as it's spoken at the social level, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

[Titanium]

Then again

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0071306848.html

[bear11]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90...72/7057017.html

"Guangzhou TV always sticks to dual language broadcasting," said Zeng Zhi, director of the editors' office at the station. "We serve two audiences who speak either Mandarin or Cantonese and do not intend to abandon either of them."

This post has been edited by bear11: Jul 14 2010, 05:41 AM

[pka7]

Cantonese nor any Chinese dialect will ever die so long as it spoken at home or the local social level........Guangzhou channels can be broadcasted in Mandarin (Not surprising since it is China's official language) but as long as it's spoken at the social level, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

Cantonese will die if it can't be used side by side with Mandarin in government, workplace and school.
This is how Hong Kong Hakka language dies. Hong Kong Hakka was relegated to a language that could only be spoken at home or among Hakka villages.
Grandparents: speak only Hakka/speak Cantonese and Hakka
Son: speak Cantonese and Hakka but he only uses Hakka when he talks with Hakka people.
Grandchild: Cantonese only/speak little Hakka
Also, the Hong Kong government did not actively suppress Hakka.
A language can be extinct in just 3 generations.

Look at overseas Chinese.
1st generation immigrant: speak Chinese languages and learn English
2nd generation: Speak English most of the time and only uses Chinese languages at home
3rd generation: Speak English only.



There are so many Mandarin channels, why can't give Cantonese some space?
Because they want to wipe out Cantonese.

[pka7]

can a TV channel affects so much to the extent of extincting the local dialect ?
i think the problem lies more on the mandarin speakign immigrants to guongdong rather than what language they speak on that channel
i dont mean to offend the mandarin speakers but i heard guongdong begun to speak more mandarin now because of the mass immigration from the north


by the way i heard this has nothing to do with the central government its just the local guongzhou governmetn that want to lick the @$$ of beijing

It is like a landslide.
Who knows they won't take over Cantonese channels one by one until there is no Cantonese channel?
Don't tell me that the answer is TVB. In recent years, 50% of HK newborn is from China.

This post has been edited by pka7: Jul 14 2010, 11:50 AM