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The Suppression of Cantonese Becomes Vigorous
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post Aug 13 2010, 04:16 AM
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lol, what if he said that regular mainlanders hated Shanghainese people?
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post Aug 13 2010, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE (crabdonut @ Aug 13 2010, 12:35 AM) *
If its just from a conversation with random people, where did you get "a good percentage"? On what basis do you have to claim that "a good percentage" wants independence? How do you make such a claim with such a biased sample size? And stop assuming every Cantonese is a crazy nationalist, people are just offended by your labeling of cantonese as being more "unchinese" or how they're suppose to be. Suijen may have nationalism but doesn't most people?


You know, I was shocked, too. But then I realized how identity is really shaped by personal experiences. These people are not crazy. Their considerations are very practical. Guangzhou/Guangdong is a place that is swarmed by non-local workers. It's only a matter of time, if govt policy doesn't change, that the local culture will be extinguished, a decade or two. These people who are calling for independence just want to preserve their local culture.

If any Cantonese is a crazy nationalist, it's the Cantonese abroad, with their ultra-Chinese nationalism and hate for America, all the while they live in America. What's crazy is people like Titanium calling for the extermination of Tibetans, Mongolians, Uighurs, and then flip around getting angry that the government wants to exterminate Cantonese language.

What's crazy is Cantonese people like Leslie Yeung calling Viets monkeys when Cantonese have a great deal of overlap in looks with Vietnamese and Tai-Kadai. He makes Chinese people look like idiots.

People in Guangzhou:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69KPKTzDxBI

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post Aug 13 2010, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (Suijen @ Aug 13 2010, 04:16 AM) *
lol, what if he said that regular mainlanders hated Shanghainese people?


Internet is never lack of idiot. icon_neutral.gif
Don't a lot of people here have bitter feeling to shanghainese?(Although I bet most of u have never been to shanghai before)
Well, I do not majority shanghainese care about that. embarassedlaugh.gif


QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 13 2010, 07:32 AM) *
You know, I was shocked, too. But then I realized how identity is really shaped by personal experiences. These people are not crazy. Their considerations are very practical. Guangzhou/Guangdong is a place that is swarmed by non-local workers. It's only a matter of time, if govt policy doesn't change, that the local culture will be extinguished, a decade or two. These people who are calling for independence just want to preserve their local culture.

If any Cantonese is a crazy nationalist, it's the Cantonese abroad, with their ultra-Chinese nationalism and hate for America, all the while they live in America. What's crazy is people like Titanium calling for the extermination of Tibetans, Mongolians, Uighurs, and then flip around getting angry that the government wants to exterminate Cantonese language.

What's crazy is Cantonese people like Leslie Yeung calling Viets monkeys when Cantonese have a great deal of overlap in looks with Vietnamese and Tai-Kadai. He makes Chinese people look like idiots.

People in Guangzhou:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69KPKTzDxBI

So what's ur point?
Forget how do u insult others?Why should ppl be kind to such a troll like u?
总桑,乃娘是不是被广东宁上的忒多了? embarassedlaugh.gif

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post Aug 13 2010, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 08:32 AM) *
Conversations with people dawg.. How can I find prove? It's not like PRC allows surveys of people on how they support splitting up the country.

It must be hard to reconcile with your Overseas Chinese sense of nationalism but Chinese people in China sometimes think in different ways.



This is obviously a troll but, of course there are surveys and Chinese people in China are very partiotic.

47% of general public, 50% of opinion leaders and 51% of buisness leaders regard themselves highly patriotic.(On a scale of 1 to 5 where 1 is “not at all patriotic” and 5 is “highly patriotic,”)


http://www.survey.committee100.org/2007/fi...yFullReport.pdf page 68/84

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post Aug 17 2010, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (zombie @ Jul 13 2010, 09:18 AM) *
How retarded are these idiots. How long will it take them to realize that banning and supressing the native languages of people won't promote "unity" but instead cause resentment? Honestly, this feels like a concept that even 12 year olds would understand.

Why can't they appreciate the diversity and variety in the Han culture (and all other cultures for that matter)? Making Mandarin the national language is fine since it allows everyone to communicate, but trying to suppress other dialects is totally unnecessary.


I am half and half on this idea.

I think China should have a unified language but not Mandarin.

I don't know about you but if you listen to Cantonese and Mandarin, you will notice the similarities with some words in that you can sort of understand what the other person is talking about even if you don't speak Cantonese/Mandarin.

I think they should focus the similarities of the two languages and re-invent the Chinese language so that both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers can learn and use with ease.

Forcing Mandarin on people MAY unify the Chinese people WITHIN China but it will also SEPARATE Chinese people that are overseas. The majority of Chinese speakers outside China use Cantonese and can't use Mandarin (I am one of them.). They are alienating their networks and people.
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post Aug 17 2010, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (TaiwaneseSpy @ Aug 18 2010, 04:19 AM) *
Communists are bastards!!! Guangdonese people are struggling because of COMMUNIST OPPRESSION!


Death to the communists! LOL..
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post Aug 18 2010, 12:52 AM
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the schools in canton they teach only cantonese? or do they teach mandarin? If the schools in cantonese teach mandarin, wouldnt that mean in the future most chinese people will speak mandarin?

But if canton teaches cantonese in school and not mandarin, then I can see why this might cause a rift between cantonese and mandarin.

I think china should just drop cantonese and just pickup english and mandarin.


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post Aug 25 2010, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE (strongbad @ Aug 18 2010, 01:52 AM) *
the schools in canton they teach only cantonese? or do they teach mandarin? If the schools in cantonese teach mandarin, wouldnt that mean in the future most chinese people will speak mandarin?

But if canton teaches cantonese in school and not mandarin, then I can see why this might cause a rift between cantonese and mandarin.

I think china should just drop cantonese and just pickup english and mandarin.



mandarin nazi
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post Jun 19 2011, 12:55 PM
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I'm a mandarin-only speaker and I support local dialects. It isn't good for China to become *too* monolithic.
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post Jun 19 2011, 02:16 PM
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Cantonese is not banned. Mandarin is the national dialect.

Likewise, SPANISH is not banned in the US. But English is the national language.

Cantonese and Mandarin, to be fair, are not on the same level in terms of usage. 800 million people speak a form of Mandarin. About 10 million speak Cantonese, and of those 10 million, almost all also speak Mandarin. There is NO WAY that 800 million should make way for 10 million. Majority rule here. Sun Yat Sen was Cantonese and even he realized that Mandarin was just better.
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post Jun 19 2011, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (pka7 @ Jul 25 2010, 01:11 PM) *
These were photos of "Support Cantonese Rally" in Guangzhou yesterday.

Still the same slogan "Cantonese take off. Mandarin **** off"


wait wait wait wait.. why are the signs in 繁体?

QUOTE (pka7 @ Jul 25 2010, 03:46 PM) *
So????

Why can't schools in China provide classes for other Chinese languages besides Mandarin???????
It is so ridiculous that they emphasize on the importance of Spanish and totally ignore the languages of their own races.


cuz if you start doing that then instead of having math, science, geography, your whole schedule will be 10 different Chinese dialects

QUOTE (pka7 @ Jul 25 2010, 07:02 PM) *
lol

50 cents for you


fu-k off

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post Jun 19 2011, 04:21 PM
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sorry trigger finger plz delete

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post Jun 19 2011, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Jun 19 2011, 12:16 PM) *
Cantonese is not banned. Mandarin is the national dialect.

Likewise, SPANISH is not banned in the US. But English is the national language.

Cantonese and Mandarin, to be fair, are not on the same level in terms of usage. 800 million people speak a form of Mandarin. About 10 million speak Cantonese, and of those 10 million, almost all also speak Mandarin. There is NO WAY that 800 million should make way for 10 million. Majority rule here. Sun Yat Sen was Cantonese and even he realized that Mandarin was just better.



Are you sure it's only 10 million people speak Cantonese? I hear that it is around 100 million people speaking Cantonese. confused.gif
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post Jun 19 2011, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 19 2011, 05:29 PM) *
Are you sure it's only 10 million people speak Cantonese? I hear that it is around 100 million people speaking Cantonese. confused.gif

not really,
Cantonese is popular oversea, but not much in China.
Cantonese people are very proud of their language, they're also sensitive, get challenged easily
Look at the graph below, the pink area is Cantonese.


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post Jun 19 2011, 07:14 PM
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way more than 10 million no matter how you look at it. I'm guessing 40 million.

France is only 50 million people. How can you say cantonese cannot have their own language TV station? It's as much of a different language as portugese is from spanish, or spanish from italian.

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post Jun 19 2011, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Jun 19 2011, 06:50 PM) *

Great map. Never seen this before.

I've never heard people use the term 官话. I thought mandarin meant only 普通话 or 国语。But 管话 does makes more sense.
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post Jun 19 2011, 07:23 PM
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Cantonese is the best sounding language ever. party.gif
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post Jun 19 2011, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (DOUBLEMINT @ Jun 19 2011, 08:23 PM) *
Cantonese is the best sounding language ever. party.gif

really?? I don't like it..吴语sounds much better for me.
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QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Jun 19 2011, 07:26 PM) *
really?? I don't like it..吴语sounds much better for me.


Since you think sichuan accent sounds good,you opinion is worth absolutely nothing. embarassedlaugh.gif

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