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The Suppression of Cantonese Becomes Vigorous
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post Jul 28 2010, 04:30 PM
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Shenzhen just added a Cantonese channel. I don't think they ever had that before. If so, it might be in response to the pressure.

There is a new Shanghainese channel that basically plays Shanghainese programming (but unlike Gunagdong only local host shows, sketch shows and traditional music), but most young Shanghainese add 25% of Mandarin into conversations.
Other Wu-speaking cities also have alloted hist/sketch/traditional music shows.

Xiamen has a all Minnan cable channel. Everything, even CCTV shows, are dubbed into Minnan.

Jiangxi has Gan sketch shows.

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There are Tibetan, Zhuang, Mongolian, Uighur language channels.

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i can understand why some cantonese feel angry about the situation. but to move ahead, something need to give up. it's part of modernization...

with so many dialect in china (most are useless dialect, imho).. might as scratch all of them together and let the cry out loud for once than letting this thing drags where in the future people are having hard time communicating with each other.
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QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Jul 28 2010, 09:54 PM) *
i can understand why some cantonese feel angry about the situation. but to move ahead, something need to give up. it's part of modernization...

with so many dialect in china (most are useless dialect, imho).. might as scratch all of them together and let the cry out loud for once than letting this thing drags where in the future people are having hard time communicating with each other.

As I remember, you guy isn't even Cantonese in the first place
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广州市政府重申:推普废粤是根本不存在的伪命题
广州市, 命题, 政府, 根本, 重申
新闻摘要:今天下午,广州市委市政府召开新闻发布会,就近期市民关注的推普废粤事件作出说明。广州市政府再次重申,市政府从未在任何时候、任何场合有过推普废粤一说的表述和意思,更不存在这样的事实。推普废粤一说纯属子虚乌有,是一个彻头彻尾的伪命题。  市政府:推普废粤不存在的炒作

  今天下午,广州市委市政府召开新闻发布会,就近期市民关注的推普废粤事件作出说明。广州市政府再次重申,市政府从未在任何时候、任何场合有过推普废粤一说的表述和意思,更不存在这样的事实。推普废粤一说纯属子虚乌有,是一个彻头彻尾的伪命题。

  市委市政府的明确态度
  近期所谓广州要推普废粤一事,其实是一个伪命题,纯属子虚乌有。对此,市委市政府高度重视。7月19日,广州市委副书记苏志佳在接受媒体专访时明确表态,个别人所说的推普废粤的情况并不存在,市委、市政府从来就不曾有过废除粤语、弱化粤语的想法,不仅不存在废粤的可能,而且对于本土优秀文化的保护和弘扬向来是党委和政府工作的重要内容。7月25日,广州日报发表评论员文章指出,所谓推普废粤是一个伪命题,弱化粤语的担忧实无必要,纯属子虚乌有。岭南文化的鲜明特征就是兼容并蓄、多元并存。改革开放30多年来,多数广州人都能熟练运用普通话;另一方面,越来越多外地人也积极学说粤语。普通话和粤语相互交融、热爱普通话热爱粤语,已经成为一道展现广州多元文化与包容精神的独特风景。苏志佳同志的访谈文章以及广州日报评论员文章表明了市委市政府的态度和立场。文章刊发后,引起了社会积极反响。这次讨论反映了广大市民群众、社会各界对广州这座历史文化名城的热爱,对岭南传统文化的珍视。
  所谓推普废粤纯属子虚乌有 是一个伪命题
  令人遗憾的是,广州市政协一份《关于广州电视台综合频道应增加普通话节目播出时段的建议》以及关心粤语的积极议论,被别有用心的人演绎为根本不存在、纯属子虚乌有的推普废粤的伪命题,并引发一些群众的担忧和误解。
  今天,市政府在这里再次重申,市政府从未在任何时候、任何场合有过 推普废粤一说的表述和意思,更不存在这样的事实。推普废粤一说是一个彻头彻尾的伪命题。下面我就有关情况做一个通报。
  2010年5月至6月,广州市政协组成17个调研组,对与亚运软环境有关的问题进行了认真细致的调研,形成了调研报告,并在7月5日的市政协常委会上对此进行了专题议政,其中一份是《关于广州电视台综合频道应增加普通话节目播出时段的建议》。《建议》的背景是希望方便来穗参加比赛和旅游的国内外宾客了解亚运和本地新闻资讯,方式是希望广州电视台增加普通话的播出频道或时段。
  在市政协发出问卷调查后,有网民于6月6日在其微博发布广州市政协竟然想将广州电视台全部转成普通话。随后,网民的微博上以广州电视台要取消粤语了在网上传播开来。之后,一些人士通过微博和媒体发表议论,部分网民也开始关注和讨论,其中有人提出粤语沦陷论。随后,市政协予以澄清,媒体做了报道。但7月5日市政协提案提出后,又有一些人士和媒体故意扭曲事实,提出 保护粤语、岭南文化垂危!、粤语保卫战、齐撑粤语大行动, 推普废粤一说也由此产生,并引发舆论热议。可见,这些说法已远离市政协提案中关于增加普通话播出频道和时段意见的本意。


保护和弘扬本土优秀文化是政府重要责任
  广州市委、市政府一直认为,粤语作为岭南文化的重要组成部分,与岭南戏曲、音乐、饮食等息息相关,推广普通话与保留、保护粤语不但不矛盾,而且可以相得益彰。解放思想、改革开放更是广东文化最鲜明的时代特征和最突出的地域优势。
  粤语不仅是广府地区人民的母语,而且是岭南地区影响最广的方言,不仅蕴藏着广府乃至岭南地区的传统文化,而且融合了中原一带的传统文化。以粤语为载体的种种文化样式,构成当今中国文化中一个独特景观。粤剧被称为南国红豆,不但流行于粤方言区,而且受到许多不说粤语的人们喜爱,在海外也广为传播和流行,有华人的地方就有粤剧。用粤语演唱的民歌小调历久不衰,粤语流行歌曲不仅走红当今港澳与广东歌坛,而且传遍全国。粤语与其所承载的岭南文化一样,具有与生俱来的开放性和包容性。
  对包括粤语在内的岭南文化的保护与弘扬,一直以来是各级党委、政府和各级文化部门的重要工作内容。广州市一直高度重视和大力抓好粤语文化的传承与发展,将其作为弘扬岭南文化的重要举措来对待。广播电视频道使用的语言,国家有严格的法律规定,根据《中华人民共和国国家通用语言文字法》第十六条规定,经国务院广播电视部门或省级广播电视部门批准的播音用语可以使用方言。广州电视台、广州电台经上级批准,从建台至今一直采用粤语和普通话相结合的播音方式,充分彰显了岭南地方特色,深受广大市民和珠三角人民群众的欢迎。广州市政府多年以来一直大力推动粤剧事业的发展,满足群众对粤语文化的需要,投入大量资金,翻新改造粤剧剧场。如江南大戏院、南方剧场。新近完成改造的彩虹曲苑,作为旅游特色剧场,让旅游者能够在里面同时品尝岭南美食和欣赏粤剧文化。政府还积极打造优秀粤剧精品,创作排演了大量以本地题材的优秀粤剧,如《三家巷》、《刑场上的婚礼》等,都分别获得过国家文艺演出方面的大奖;政府投入资金花了几年的时间编辑出版了《粤剧大词典》,坚持出版粤剧杂志《南国红豆》。在粤港澳三地的共同努力下,去年粤剧成功入选世界非物质文化遗产。各级党委、政府十分重视粤剧演员队伍的建设,对红线女等粤剧名人十分关心,专门成立了红线女艺术中心等研究机构。广东音乐曲艺团不但是全省唯一的以广东音乐、曲艺为主的专业团体,而且该团还专门设有粤语相声曲艺团,他们排演的节目贴近群众、贴近生活、贴近实际,深受广大人民群众欢迎。
  广州历来重视对岭南文化遗存的保护和发掘,持续投入将其发扬光大。在今年4月展开的岭南文化十大名片活动中,广州就有辛亥革命纪念馆、南海神庙、广州骑楼、南越国遗址、广绣、陈家祠等多项进入20个候选文化名片名单。近年来,在挖掘和保护广彩、广绣、广雕等具有岭南文化特色的民间文化方面做了大量卓有成效的工作。
  不久前闭幕的省委十届七次全会明确提出,要把广东建设成为文化强省,形成具有中国气派、岭南风格、广东特色的文化体系。刚刚闭幕的市委九届九次全会也提出,要把打造世界文化名城作为国家中心城市建设的重要内容,高度重视对岭南优秀传统文化的发掘、保护和利用,增强广州文化的向心力和集聚力,增强广州文化辐射力和影响力。
  我们应该看到,岭南文化的重要特征,就是开放与多元。广州在建设现代化大都市过程中,必须有一种文化的自信与胸怀,这体现在既包括对本土语言和习俗的选择与坚持,也包括对普通话的推广与普及。
  新闻摘要:今天下午,广州市委市政府召开新闻发布会,就近期市民关注的推普废粤事件作出说明。广州市政府再次重申,市政府从未在任何时候、任何场合有过推普废粤一说的表述和意思,更不存在这样的事实。推普废粤一说纯属子虚乌有,是一个彻头彻尾的伪命题。

政协委员、相关单位通过政协的各种会议反映情况,提出意见和建议,是政协履行政治协商、民主监督、参政议政职能的具体体现,是中国特色社会主义民主政治的不可或缺的重要组成部分。广州市政协围绕亚运软环境形成的调研报告,其中包括来自八个民主党派、两个团体、六个专委会的16份书面建议,《建议》是这其中之一。16份建议的提出者,在7月5日的市政协常委会议上介绍自己的意见。这种参政议政的形式是一种创新的尝试。
  政协的建议是供有关部门进行研究商讨和决策的参考,并非行政命令,更非法律条文。对政协的建议,党委政府都会作深入调研,广泛听取意见,进行科学决策。象这次市政协《建议》中提出的建议,在作出决定之前,广州电视台应按现状继续办好现有的普通话和粤语频道节目,满足广大电视观众的需求。
  广州警方依法妥善处置7.25人员聚集事件
  我们也注意到,个别人利用这份政协建议制造了推普废粤的伪命题,甚至产生粤语沦陷、广州人面临集体失忆等耸人听闻的说法,故意造谣惑众,混淆视听。7月16日,广州警方在互联网上发现有人散布已经公安机关批准,有两万人在某地聚集的信息。经警方调查,此信息纯属造谣、目的是煽动网民非法聚集,造成不良社会影响。违法嫌疑人余某(男,湖北当阳人)为外地出差来穗人员,擅自发布虚假信息。警方已依照《中华人民共和国治安管理处罚法》的规定,对余某行政拘留。
  25日下午16时许,三五成群的人员陆续在海珠区江南西地铁A出口聚集,最高峰时达数百人。由于该地点处于商业旺地,又是交通枢纽,加上周末人流高峰时段,如此短时间内大量人员聚集,很容易演变成公共安全事件。广州警方发现后及时派出民警前往现场维持秩序,积极疏导周边道路交通和围观人群。现场民警依法、文明、平和、规范执勤,劝导聚集围观群众离开。至晚上19时许,聚集人群逐渐散去,现场秩序恢复正常。现场没有发生任何冲突事件,警方没有接到有关刑事、治安方面的报案。
  广州警方重申:举行集会、游行、示威活动应当遵守法律规定予以申报,并经公安机关批准才可实施。对于非法组织的集会、游行、示威活动,警方将依法追究相关人员的法律责任。
  当前首要任务是办好亚运会、亚残运会和切实转变经济发展方式
  当前,广州市正面临办好亚运会、亚残运会和切实转变经济发展方式这两项重大任务。办好亚运会,就是要让市民群众共享城市发展成果,不断提高市民的安全感、归属感和幸福感,让市民群众切身感受到亚运带来的实惠。以迎亚运为契机推进城乡环境综合整治,从根本上说,是为了给广大市民群众营造一个良好的人居环境,是一项实实在在的惠民工程。
  上周闭幕的中共广州市委九届九次全会号召全市人民,要认真贯彻省委十届七次全会关于建设文化强省的精神和中共中央政治局委员、省委书记汪洋迎接亚运会,创造新生活的要求,加快建设国家中心城市、全省宜居城乡的首善之区、着力建设国际商贸中心和世界文化名城。当前,亚运筹备工作已经进入最后冲刺阶段,我们要学习贯彻好全会精神,抓住机遇、坚定信心、真抓实干,排除干扰,团结一心办好亚运会、亚残运会,切实转变经济发展方式,整体提升城市文明程度,整体提升市民群众幸福感,不断谱写全市人民美好生活的新篇章。
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QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Jul 28 2010, 08:54 PM) *
i can understand why some cantonese feel angry about the situation. but to move ahead, something need to give up. it's part of modernization...

with so many dialect in china (most are useless dialect, imho).. might as scratch all of them together and let the cry out loud for once than letting this thing drags where in the future people are having hard time communicating with each other.

Nope, not gonna happen.
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From Aug 1st protest










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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWNL1MEtUH0

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Absolutely amazing. This is the same thing as the Tibet and Xinjiang uprisings. No surprised that Western media isn't even covering it this time. A lot of young Cantonese actually want independence. My GF wants the capital in Hong Kong! embarassedlaugh.gif
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EDIT:

You need more than 200 protesters in Hong Kong for an uprising.

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Hundreds of people took part in cross-border rallies in Hong Kong, Macau and Guangzhou on Sunday calling for the preservation of Cantonese,
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asi...ng-Kong-rallies




About 200 protesters marched to the government headquarters in Hong Kong Sunday. You need much more people that that. embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif


They wanted to have 100,000 protesters in Hong Kong(this is five days ago):"I believe we can gather 100,000 people to stop China's evil act of promoting Mandarin and destroying Cantonese!!!" http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...p5buGLOOItO4Zbw

But there was only 200 protesters in Hong Kong. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...mxwM_ApTwSkd3Bg

better luck next time.

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Absolutely amazing. This is the same thing as the Tibet and Xinjiang uprisings. No surprised that Western media isn't even covering it this time. A lot of young Cantonese actually want independence. My GF wants the capital in Hong Kong


You are an idiot. You want to see riots and uprisings then see this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#2010s. Just this year thousands of people have been killed in riots all over the world. When hundreds of people protest it is not that important.

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1 RMB for the above poster, congrats.

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ROC armed forced should support our struggling compatriots with weapons!
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August 1st:
This is thousands of people. This is not similar to Tibet and Xinjiang; it's much bigger. And the reason they aren't rioting is because they feel they are part of the system, so it would be trashing their own homeland. I think this is good. It puts momentum in the preservation Chinese cultural diversity. Many other regions in China are feeling the same pinch but don't have the political will of Cantonese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThGDBK77fo

There is a big difference between Cantonese abroad and Cantonese in the motherland. Abroad, the sense of Chineseness is reinforced by external pressures. Within China, it's actually a sense of Cantoneseness that is reinforced by external pressures. So while Cantonese abroad are die-hard nationalists, a good percentage of Cantonese in Guangdong and Guangxi are in favor of seceding and forming their own country.

A sister demonstration on the same day in HK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGxqf4nWw0...feature=related
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 10:20 PM) *
a good percentage of Cantonese in Guangdong and Guangxi are in favor of seceding and forming their own country.

Do you have any evidence to back this up?


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post Aug 12 2010, 08:32 AM
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Conversations with people dawg.. How can I find prove? It's not like PRC allows surveys of people on how they support splitting up the country.

It must be hard to reconcile with your Overseas Chinese sense of nationalism but Chinese people in China sometimes think in different ways.
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post Aug 12 2010, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 10:32 PM) *
Conversations with people dawg.. How can I find prove? It's not like PRC allows surveys of people on how they support splitting up the country.

It must be hard to reconcile with your Overseas Chinese sense of nationalism but Chinese people in China sometimes think in different ways.


I've only seen "Guangdong turning into its own country" twice, one from Facebook, and one mentioned by that Korean guy who comes here every so often.


Like you, my entire lineage is Cantonese, and I've been in Foshan for quite a while. I have never heard of Cantonese separatism (I've heard of minority separatism though).

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post Aug 12 2010, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 08:32 AM) *
Conversations with people dawg.. How can I find prove? It's not like PRC allows surveys of people on how they support splitting up the country.

It must be hard to reconcile with your Overseas Chinese sense of nationalism but Chinese people in China sometimes think in different ways.


But u are not native chinese, right? embarassedlaugh.gif
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post Aug 12 2010, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (Suijen @ Aug 12 2010, 09:36 AM) *
I've only seen "Guangdong turning into its own country" twice, one from Facebook, and one mentioned by that Korean guy who comes here every so often.


Like you, my entire lineage is Cantonese, and I've been in Foshan for quite a while. I have never heard of Cantonese separatism (I've heard of minority separatism though).

I'm not Cantonese. And I never hear of Cantonese separatism until I hear them talking about it. It's an urban youth mentality. I'm sure you are familiar with local nationalisms. Most Guangzhounese/Cantonese do not appreciate non-locals swarming into their province.

This is just an extension of that.
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post Aug 12 2010, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 08:48 AM) *
I'm not Cantonese. And I never hear of Cantonese separatism until I hear them talking about it. It's an urban youth mentality. I'm sure you are familiar with local nationalisms. Most Guangzhounese/Cantonese do not appreciate non-locals swarming into their province.

This is just an extension of that.


什么时候轮到侬咋巴子出来废话了? beerchug.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (User1 @ Aug 12 2010, 08:32 AM) *
Conversations with people dawg.. How can I find prove? It's not like PRC allows surveys of people on how they support splitting up the country.

It must be hard to reconcile with your Overseas Chinese sense of nationalism but Chinese people in China sometimes think in different ways.


If its just from a conversation with random people, where did you get "a good percentage"? On what basis do you have to claim that "a good percentage" wants independence? How do you make such a claim with such a biased sample size? And stop assuming every Cantonese is a crazy nationalist, people are just offended by your labeling of cantonese as being more "unchinese" or how they're suppose to be. Suijen may have nationalism but doesn't most people?

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I think this USER1 is pretender. I can not understand why a chinese hate cantonese so much?(The only explanation, his mother was f*cked by cantonese? confused.gif )

He claimed he is shanghainese, but he can understand 0 shanghainese.
He claimed there is a shanghainese channel. But even I am a native and I have never seen such a channel?
No one would use the concept of "northern Wu", because except linguistics enthusiasts no one can tell out how many towns speak northern Wu. icon_sad.gif


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