Samurai vs Roman Soldier Options

[Rad Raz]

How did samurais have better armor? Their armor wasn't even strong or heavy as Qing Dynasty army's full body armor.

[lilasiankid]

How did samurais have better armor? Their armor wasn't even strong or heavy as Qing Dynasty army's full body armor.

I didn't say they had better armor......I said they had more....like they were covered in armor unlike the roman soldiers who only had body armor and didn't even wear pants or anythings to protect their shins.....Heavier armor would be a disadvantage anyways.....

[PervertBurger]

Arabic assassins win. they are way cooler

[Rad Raz]

I didn't say they had better armor......I said they had more....like they were covered in armor unlike the roman soldiers who only had body armor and didn't even wear pants or anythings to protect their shins.....Heavier armor would be a disadvantage anyways.....

Normal Legions such as Hastatis were only armed lesser armor with basic equipments.

Elite Legions such as Praetorian, Urban cohort weared full body armor with heavy shield that is basically impossible to penatrate through it with the normal sword.

[lilasiankid]

I didn't say they had better armor......I said they had more....like they were covered in armor unlike the roman soldiers who only had body armor and didn't even wear pants or anythings to protect their shins.....Heavier armor would be a disadvantage anyways.....

Normal Legions such as Hastatis were only armed lesser armor with basic equipments.

Elite Legions such as Praetorian, Urban cohort weared full body armor with heavy shield that is basically impossible to penatrate through it with the normal sword.

Yeah, but I referred to what the thread is talking about, one on one Samurai V.S. Roman......who would you rather be.....Free moving swift samurai with a long fine sharp Katana blade and Wakizashi on the side.....or heavily armored, Large metal shield toting Roman.....that huge shield is gonna get in the way.....

Hehehehe.....this thread will never end.....

Let's just all push Activision to Create a Shogun: Total war Mod for Rome:Total War and see who's better.....

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Dec 2 2004, 10:27 PM

[disnikkadirty]

lol i would rather be a samurai.. katana is a great weapon if u kno how to use it real well.. like in kill bill!

[DAI_VIET]

Heheh... I like this thread.

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SPQR.

[onepairofpant]

Samurai of course. Samuraï suceeded to defeat a mongol invasion. Mongol army crushed every army of the middle age even european knights. Moreover roman metalurgy produced very bad weaponry.Barbaric swords were much stronger than Roman swords. The Roman formation was too slow to fight against fast cavalry.An attack on the flank could easily rout a roman army .

what mongol invasion? the one that was suppoe to happen when Japan was sure it'd get crushed so they prayed and all the sudden the worse storm of the milleniium swept the east sea and drowned the mongol invasion? Porbably even more so becuase the Mongols told the koreans to build them ships and hte Koreans did a half @$$ probably sabotage job with them

[直隸總督]

The Roman legion (from the Latin legio, meaning levy) was the basic military unit of ancient Rome. It consisted of about 5,000 to 6,000 infantry soldiers and cavalrymen. Legions were named and numbered; about 50 have been identified, although there were never that many in existence at any one time.

Even if they all existed at one time, it'd be 300,000 Roman soldiers at maximum. So it wasn't really that big.
Japanese soldiers are not like those samuris in The Last Samuri. Japanse armies consisted of mainly ashigaru 足輕隊 ( lightfoot soldiers -drafted civilians), not those godlike sword masters.

[Titanium]

Samurai of course. Samuraï suceeded to defeat a mongol invasion. Mongol army crushed every army of the middle age even european knights. Moreover roman metalurgy produced very bad weaponry.Barbaric swords were much stronger than Roman swords. The Roman formation was too slow to fight against fast cavalry.An attack on the flank could easily rout a roman army .

The samurai repelled the Mongol invasion due to the massive seastorms known as the Kamikaze winds. The pacific ocean defeated the Mongols not the Japanese samurai. If Japan was not an island nation and the Mongols had a direction invasion route, it would have been a much different story.

[lilasiankid]

Samurai of course. Samuraï suceeded to defeat a mongol invasion. Mongol army crushed every army of the middle age even european knights. Moreover roman metalurgy produced very bad weaponry.Barbaric swords were much stronger than Roman swords. The Roman formation was too slow to fight against fast cavalry.An attack on the flank could easily rout a roman army .

The samurai repelled the Mongol invasion due to the massive seastorms known as the Kamikaze winds. The pacific ocean defeated the Mongols not the Japanese samurai. If Japan was not an island nation and the Mongols had a direction invasion route, it would have been a much different story.

Right on......The truth is that the Japanese were suffering many casualties from the Mongol/Korean invasions before the Mongols had to pull back.....Mongol tactics like "Hit and run, then ambush" and such were very effective....Plus Mongols used more range attacks with arrows and projectiles rather than man to man combat.....I don't know if THESE Yuan dynasty Mongols had the same attitudes as the same ruthless barbaric ones that terrorized Europe, Middle east, and early china but many Japanese villages were slaughtered by Mongols on land also.........

Although I recount from somewhere that I heard that the Kamikaze winds did not destroy entire fleets......some other factor also contributed to the Mongol defeat.....I just can't remember........

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This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Dec 3 2004, 09:10 AM

[JB_Xyooj]

lilasiankid Posted Today, 10:02 AM
  QUOTE(Titanium @ Dec 3 2004, 01:05 AM)
QUOTE(lnf @ Dec 1 2004, 06:14 AM)
Samurai of course. Samuraï suceeded to defeat a mongol invasion. Mongol army crushed every army of the middle age even european knights. Moreover roman metalurgy produced very bad weaponry.Barbaric swords were much stronger than Roman swords. The Roman formation was too slow to fight against fast cavalry.An attack on the flank could easily rout a roman army .





The samurai repelled the Mongol invasion due to the massive seastorms known as the Kamikaze winds. The pacific ocean defeated the Mongols not the Japanese samurai. If Japan was not an island nation and the Mongols had a direction invasion route, it would have been a much different story.






Right on......The truth is that the Japanese were suffering many casualties from the Mongol/Korean invasions before the Mongols had to pull back.....Mongol tactics like "Hit and run, then ambush" and such were very effective....Plus Mongols used more range attacks with arrows and projectiles rather than man to man combat.....I don't know if THESE Yuan dynasty Mongols had the same attitudes as the same ruthless barbaric ones that terrorized Europe, Middle east, and early china but many Japanese villages were slaughtered by Mongols on land also.........

Although I recount from somewhere that I heard that the Kamikaze winds did not destroy entire fleets......some other factor also contributed to the Mongol defeat.....I just can't remember........

Hahahah you got that from shogun total war........i would highly agree that japan
never faced other nation beside the mongol...the chinese and the korean
till recently during the imperial age....when the japanese took on the russian army

Japan was acknowledge the first asian coutnry to defeat a white nation

but anyways back to the point of the samurai's

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as you can see in this pic...this was one of the latest samurai army during the warring state....Quote JB: Hahaha i can get my $hit from shogun total war too:

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and as yo can see in this tiny picture......if you want to know what really happen
if the Mongol was never really swept away by the storm.....in shogun total war
they give you a chance to see which side was better.....

Go SAMurai!!!!

so as you can see in that pic...the samurai are whooping the mongol....despite
even if the mongol was given a chance to cross onto japanese mainland

[lilasiankid]

Hahaha...Hope I didn't get the wrong message across with the picture......No, I did not get my facts from the Shogun game....In fact, I've never played it before other than the Demo years ago when I was younger.....I just found a cool Mongol picture to put up.....

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Dec 3 2004, 12:14 PM

[Mantis]

ROFL. 300,000 at that time was the equivalent of 10 million in today's time.

Do you what the world population was like back then?

[JB_Xyooj]

lilasiankid Posted Today, 01:13 PM
  Hahaha...Hope I didn't get the wrong message across with the picture......No, I did not get my facts from the Shogun game....In fact, I've never played it before other than the Demo years ago when I was younger.....I just found a cool Mongol picture to put up....

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[直隸總督]

ROFL. 300,000 at that time was the equivalent of 10 million in today's time.

Do you what the world population was like back then?

Well, 300,000 was really not big even for Roman empire itself.
Anyway, this is from a Chinese perspective.

[DAI_VIET]

ROFL. 300,000 at that time was the equivalent of 10 million in today's time.

Do you what the world population was like back then?

Well, 300,000 was really not big even for Roman empire itself.
Anyway, this is from a Chinese perspective.

They don't need a big army. Caesar defeated his enemy when he was outnumbered 3:1.

[tqt]

Quality will always beat quantity. At the battle of Agincourt in 1415, a quality English army of 6000 defeated a French army of 30,000.

[Ogumo]

Well if it is a individual japanese and a individual roman. I would bet for japanese warrior to win. Your average japanese warrior was better covered in most situations. However if we are talking about generals and armies fighting. That is up to debate.

[Dreamz]

OMFG, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. ME AND MY MATES DEBATE THIS EVERY fu-kING DAY!!!
Except we always change who we argue for, ie Samurai, Ninja, Roman, Spartans, Maori, Mongols, Turks, Vikings, etc.
Jesus Christ. ANyways, Samurai's would conmpletely OWN Roman Soldiers. NO CONTEST.
Fact 1. Samurai have special powers that enable them to be super-strong.
Fact 2. Samurai are the direct descendantrs of God himself.
Fact 2. Samurai own swords that USUALLY hold spirits.
Fact 4. If you ever met a Samurai, you will definetely get into Heaven, even if you rape and murder and plander and steal the rest of your life.