Samurai vs Roman Soldier Options

[Adee]

but guns and gunpowder weren't even around until later times.....I believe Gunpowder was introduced to Japan by westerners?

Well the topic didn't exactly state which period, gunpowders were introduced to japan by the Chinese not long after it was discovered. I believe they used guns as early as the 17th Century, Chinese certainly did around the same time. They were introduced by the Portugese.

[shiro]

It depends on what they are armed with, if the roman soldier is using a heady short sword, and the Samurai using a light katakana, the Katakana can easily penetrate roman armour and can kill him with one slash.
Katakana are made with 3 layers of folded iron which help create light swords, yet very shark and swift.

I would seriously like to see this fight
I'm not sure exactly what a light katakana is, though
is it a hiragana?

I was also under the impression that katakana were made with a brush, not with 3 layers of folded iron
my bad
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[Adee]

^Katana, katakana (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[Tuan Nayland]

Oh...nobody can f*ck with the Mongols........even the Japanese were losing to them before the Kamikaze winds hit....

Not only the winds. The Samuri went onto the Mongol boats and in close-quarters combat they slaughtered the Mongolians.

Samuri = warrior
Roman = soldier

no comparison IHMO

[supaflyz]

i think a roman would win because they didnt conquer all that land under king alexander if they didnt know how to fight. Plus they got great athletic skills because they practice during early age.

[lilasiankid]

i think a roman would win because they didnt conquer all that land under king alexander if they didnt know how to fight.  Plus they got great athletic skills because they practice during early age.

But don't you think Samurai would have the same story if they had a HUGE continent full of unorganized, "uncivilized" peoples to conquer.......(not including the middle eastern kingdoms and Persia etc...) Look at China....They conquered alot too....

This post has been edited by lilasiankid: Nov 29 2004, 09:28 AM

[Fil-Am]

i think a roman would win because they didnt conquer all that land under king alexander if they didnt know how to fight.  Plus they got great athletic skills because they practice during early age.

But don't you think Samurai would have the same story if they had a HUGE continent full of unorganized, "uncivilized" peoples to conquer.......(not including the middle eastern kingdoms and Persia etc...) Look at China....They conquered alot too....

If Japan was situated in Rome, during that time. Im pretty sure they wouldn't duplicate what the Romans did. In fact I bet they would be overrun by barbarians rather quickly.

[JB_Xyooj]

Samurai....and roman warrior....this would had been something or
shouldi say clash of titan.......like godzilla vs king kong...cats vs dogs
Freedy vs Jason....The rock vs Hogan....and Killer Instinct vs Mortal Kombat

since both Warrior Class...can produce a large army at anytime being
this would had certainly exceed the death Of the Battle of Nagashino aka
Oda clan vs Takeda clan......due to reason that both army had tremedous
fighiting sprit......and Loyalty to there Lord.....both side would had
certainly fought to the very end......Samurai Katana vs Roman Short Sword
the samurai would had slay more roman soldier....then roman can kill samurai
but yet roman soldier...had incredible strenght....from the olympic game
or something like that.....

but in the end i would like to say the samurai can win this battle.....
with the No Dachi......and Wakizashi.....and Naginata....the Roman
would had surely crumble beneath the samurai blade.......

If you play rise of nation you'll know what i mean.....heh heh......I whooped
them roman with my mighty samurai......

and with general and warlord like Oda NObunaga....Takeda Shingen, Toyotomi
Hideyoshi.....and tokugawa Ieyase....the samurai victory is surely secure

[Fil-Am]

Samurai....and roman warrior....this would had been something or
shouldi say clash of titan.......like godzilla vs king kong...cats vs dogs
Freedy vs Jason....The rock vs Hogan....and Killer Instinct vs Mortal Kombat

since both Warrior Class...can produce a large army at anytime being
this would had certainly exceed the death Of the Battle of Nagashino aka
Oda clan vs Takeda clan......due to reason that both army had tremedous
fighiting sprit......and Loyalty to there Lord.....both side would had
certainly fought to the very end......Samurai Katana vs Roman Short Sword
the samurai would had slay more roman soldier....then roman can kill samurai
but yet roman soldier...had incredible strenght....from the olympic game
or something like that.....

but in the end i would like to say the samurai can win this battle.....
with the No Dachi......and Wakizashi.....and Naginata....the Roman
would had surely crumble beneath the samurai blade.......

If you play rise of nation you'll know what i mean.....heh heh......I whooped
them roman with my mighty samurai......

and with general and warlord like Oda NObunaga....Takeda Shingen, Toyotomi
Hideyoshi.....and tokugawa Ieyase....the samurai victory is surely secure

So your basing the samurai army beating the roman army by an video game, lol.
Individually the samurai has an advantage but when were talking about army to army then the romans have the advantage. The Samurai would get crushed by an wall of shields bristling with spears. Then they would have the cavalry finish them off.

[JB_Xyooj]

LOL.....you do have point on the video game....but
i doubt the samurai would be stupid enough like takeda katsuyori to charge
into gun fire nor a spear wall.....and yet the samurai had there own spear wall
of there own skill.....and i doubt the roman be fast enough to take on japanese
samurai.....not only did the japanese knew how to fight with the sword
but also with there bare hand....that why karate was taught among samurai
so incase they lost there sword in battle....they fought hand to hand combat..

and when your talking bout calvary charge i probally bet the samurai would probally pick them heavy armor roman off....with guns or archery
even a simple ahsigaru could kill a mighty skilled roman warrior

[Fil-Am]

LOL.....you do have point on the video game....but
i doubt the samurai would be stupid enough like takeda katsuyori to charge
into gun fire nor a spear wall.....and yet the samurai had there own spear wall
of there own skill.....and i doubt the roman be fast enough to take on japanese
samurai.....not only did the japanese knew how to fight with the sword
but also with there bare hand....that why karate was taught among samurai
so incase they lost there sword in battle....they fought hand to hand combat..

and when your talking bout calvary charge i probally bet the samurai would probally pick them heavy armor roman off....with guns or archery
even a simple ahsigaru could kill a mighty skilled roman warrior

LOL ROman Cavalry weren't heavily armored, they had enough armor to protect them but they were mobile enough to shoot an bow and arrow from their horse. . In fact Eastern Romans"The Byzantine Empire" were some of the best horse riders in their time. Roman spears are way longer then Samurai spears. And not even the samurai could break through an roman Testudo.

This post has been edited by Fil-Am: Nov 29 2004, 10:07 AM

[Tuan Nayland]

In fact Eastern Romans"The Byzantine Empire" were some of the best horse riders in their time.

You know your stuff dude (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggthumpup.gif)

[JB_Xyooj]

hahahahaha......who said samurai needed to break through the spear wall with calavry
didn't i said...no samurai was as foolish as takeda katsuyori.....after the battle of nagashino
so i would like to say......if Oda nobunaga faced the roman army......they would had
crushed the roman army.........with the muskeet...and aquabresier.....the roman would
had surely fall to the mighty gun and sword.......but it really depends on the weather though (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

[Fil-Am]

hahahahaha......who said samurai needed to break through the spear wall with calavry
didn't i said...no samurai was as foolish as takeda katsuyori.....after the battle of nagashino
so i would like to say......if Oda nobunaga faced the roman army......they would had
crushed the roman army.........with the muskeet...and aquabresier.....the roman would
had surely fall to the mighty gun and sword.......but it really depends on the weather though (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/embarassedlaugh.gif)

Uhh Im talking about the time of the romans. Not the 1800s, guns were introduced to Japan by the westerners. If you gave the romans guns too then the romans would still have the advantage.

[JB_Xyooj]

alright since you putted it that way......the samurai can deploy a group all baka Gajin
are famiular with....the unit of battlefield ninja......they were battle where samurai
general depolyed ninja for special operation.......so i probally bet the ninja probally
kill the roman genral....which would boost the samurai moral and decrease the roman morale
giving the samurai an advangtage on the roman

[shiro]

samurai and guns...?
I think I missed something in history class

I seriously doubt that an army of samurai would defeat an army of Roman soldiers, given that both generals had the same leadership level
the samurai would have to use special tactics to break the Roman ranks
but from what I understand, the samurai would feel that not attacking the Romans head-on would be less honourable, and using traps/distraction would not follow Bushido (i.e: attacking an unarmed/unprepared foe)

[Fil-Am]

samurai and guns...?
I think I missed something in history class

I seriously doubt that an army of samurai would defeat an army of Roman soldiers, given that both generals had the same leadership level
the samurai would have to use special tactics to break the Roman ranks
but from what I understand, the samurai would feel that not attacking the Romans head-on would be less honourable, and using traps/distraction would not follow Bushido (i.e: attacking an unarmed/unprepared foe)

Yeah and Samurai would get crushed in an head on fight.

[Rad Raz]

Romans would see samurais as another "barbarian" soldiers. An army from a nation that is not even recognized by the world. Wait Japan didn't even have a nation back then, bunch of providences would make sense.

Roman Legions were divided in many groups.

Hastati, Principites, First Cohort to Royal Cohort, Urban, and finally Pratorian Cohort which is one of the most elite Roman soldier existed. And these guys would literally eat samurais as a breakfast.

Romans did have heavy calvarlys. Ever heard of the Catapharacts which it was introducd after the Marius Reform, and also used by the Byzantine Empire?

[CTM2000]

The Samurais of course lol. Well in all seriosness, the Roman army was far more numerous and organized. While I respect my ancestors reverence for their warrior spirits, I somehow doubt that's good enough to defeat the Roman empire.

[Titanium]

The real question is why the hell would the Romans even want to waste their time trying to conquer Japan?