Vietnams' proud martial history, bilateral partnership with the U.S., Vietnam prove invaluable Options

[Suione]

In the 21st century when your country has only began to develop you start trying to expand your seas, resulting in making enemies instead of allies which can be useful in your region. Now all your close neighbors despise you so much that they are asking white men to help fight you. Again, this is another clear example of Chinese lack of vision and intelligence. What do you achieve by making enemies? You are only isolating your self.

I wonder about this too. Why!

[Attention]

"Stupid" as defined in the oxford dictionary: lacking intelligence or common sense. In this case I have clearly stated the facts, thus you have used the term "stupid" in the wrong context.

Yes, the oxford dictionary have described you quite well. Yes, your fact is, Chinese arrest their Nobel Prize winner and/or His wife is under arrest, while the rest is merely you opinion. Did I argue with the fact or criticize your opinion? Maybe you should take some time to analyze the difference.

(Facts is Highlighted in Red)

LOL if the Chinese people are so smart why would they arrest their own Nobel prize winner hohohoho and put his wife under house arrest. This means that the Chinese people don't really respect intellectuals. Instead they parade those who suck the communist dik. hohohoho now isn't that the truth.

If I was stupid as you suggested , then I wouldn't know what is happening within your country.

So, knowing Vietnam was occupied 1,000 years automatically make a person not stupid. Is that your logic reasoning?
So, people that knows "FREE TIBET" but don't even know where Tibet is located on world-map or know anything about Tibet is not stupid? Right, their spirit counts the most, even though they don't know a crap! ^_^
So, knowing E=MC2, necessary make a person not stupid?

The actions of your goverment which are full of Chinese people controlling the party reflects on the entire Chinese population. This is only one example of where the Chinese people have lacked vision and intelligence. Where arrogance have gotten better of your race.

If you think authoritarian rulers's action/decision reflects the mindset of 1.3 billion people, then you're only fooling yourself and nothing more.
This is why the world we live in, have people that lacked visions and intelligences, are we witnessing one here?

For example the Ming Dynasty had isolated it self from the rest of the world because you Chinese people thought you were the centre of the world. Trying to be self sufficient. Unfortunately, this short sightedness resulted in the European countries trading and exchanging ideas and research with one another, which allowed them to advance while China was stuck in a hole. This is another fine example of your country's arrogance, which resulted in failure.

Yes, so the west forcefully invaded China to make it open itself, with Opium wars, is that what you meant by "Arrogance"?
Yes, so the British develop a passion for "TEA" so it is showing its arrogance by getting what it wants through "FORCE"?
Yes, the Chinese should have invaded Europe during its prime and prior to (AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT) so today I can tell it to Aussie, because you European are arrogant and uncivilized so that's why Chinese was flourishing while you were stuck in a hole. And that's all because of your "Arrogance"

In the 21st century when your country has only began to develop you start trying to expand your seas, resulting in making enemies instead of allies which can be useful in your region. Now all your close neighbors despise you so much that they are asking white men to help fight you. Again, this is another clear example of Chinese lack of vision and intelligence. What do you achieve by making enemies? You are only isolating your self.

Yes, I guess the white people are so smart that's why there is WWI & WWII, all because they are so smart and know how to work along with each other, no?
Yes, I guess the foundation of America isn't invading/absorbing huge masses of land from Mexico, isn't European killing off native Indian from their homelands?
Yes, I guess the foundation of Russian Empires isn't invading/absorbing Siberia and various States.
Yes, the Chinese government aren't as smart as you, since only you know how the world is run, no? ^_^

This post has been edited by Attention: Oct 15 2010, 12:21 AM

[Attention]

I wonder about this too. Why!

Actually, one should welcome forces such as Russian/Chinese that balance this unbalance world that is tilted to west.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[tianya]

vietcongs have cheap lip.
That's why.
Now question comes"except south china sea,any other neighbours like vietcong"

[tianya]

sorry.double post

This post has been edited by tianya: Oct 15 2010, 12:44 AM

[GrigoriRasputin]

shut up stupid

[Suione]

Actually, one should welcome forces such as Russian/Chinese that balance this unbalance world that is tilted to west.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Yes, it is good to have a strong China to counter-balance the West, but I wish it can be a benign Asian power and not be percieve as a threat by their neighbours. At the moment, the countries here are wary and scared by the muscling tactics of the Chinese Navy over the disputed area in the South China Sea, and not having the military strength to counter it, they will of course allow the Americans and others to come in.
I think this can be avoided if China practice restraint, and better diplomacy.

This post has been edited by Suione: Oct 15 2010, 03:33 AM

[Aussie]

Actually, one should welcome forces such as Russian/Chinese that balance this unbalance world that is tilted to west.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I don’t understand how you can argue that China is flourishing while Europeans are stuck in a hole. China’s economy is 1/3 that of the U.S. That means you are 1/3 smaller in size. You’re not even half their size yet. China’s GDP is $4.33 trillion the U.S is $14.4 trillion. You do the math’s nerd. And that’s just the economy; your military doesn’t even have an aircraft carrier. The U.S has approximately 11-13. This is exactly my point, your country is of tender age and your politicians are inexperienced in diplomatic relations. China is developing, and it is the fastest developing country in the world, and will continue to do so for next 10-20 years, perhaps even surpassing the U.S economy by 2030.
However, you have to understand that Western countries currently control the balance of power in the world, and this can’t be argued. They have military pacts such as NATO which will drag 15-20 countries into war within 24 hours if need be. This they have learnt from WWI and WWII. China needs to realise that one person cannot stand up against a gang. If China wants to expand diplomatically and have control they need to make allies. Why the fUKk would you pick a fight with Vietnam who is another communist country? Instead of making peaceful military ties with Vietnam, your politicians have decided to start an unnecessary fight. Instead of controlling your resentment you have asserted your power against Japan. Instead of granting freedom to Tibet you have chosen to occupy. Instead of making peace with Taiwan you have chosen to line up missiles. The most depressing point of all you have chosen to jail your own citizen who is a Noble prize winner. This creates an evil perception within the wider community (ASIA) that China isn’t so peaceful after all.
If someone pointed a gun at you and tell you that’s its empty would you believe him? Actions speak louder than words. As a result you have lost the trust of the Asia.
White people aren’t smart at all. It’s just they understand that they need to work together to achieve a common goal. They don’t allow self indulgence and arrogance to get the best of them. This is why the Europeans countries will always be ahead of Asia. They work and share knowledge with one another. They build computers, they build planes, they find vaccine for cancer, and they essentially build China’s economy. But the scary thing about the West is that they are prepared to die for one another. This can be seen in Iraq and Afghanistan where soldiers from across the globe poor in to help the U.S with its occupation or invasion. There is currently no unity in Asia. Some are communists, some are capitalists and some still follow the commonwealth. There needs to be unity. China with its growth and population has the potential to unite Asia into a force. Unfortunately, over the past few years they have taken the wrong move.


LOL POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT, yes Chinese politicans and officials are some of the most corrupted people in the world. thanks for the awesome info.

[Attention]

I don’t understand how you can argue that China is flourishing while Europeans are stuck in a hole.

That's why I said you are "STUPID", why else would you not understand what people meant by -->

Yes, the Chinese should have invaded Europe during its prime and prior to (AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT) so today I can tell it to Aussie, because you European are arrogant and uncivilized so that's why Chinese was flourishing while you were stuck in a hole. And that's all because of your "Arrogance"

Maybe you should first understand what the word "Prior" means in my sentences or the fact that it is merely a counterargument

China’s economy is 1/3 that of the U.S. That means you are 1/3 smaller in size. You’re not even half their size yet. China’s GDP is $4.33 trillion the U.S is $14.4 trillion. You do the math’s nerd. And that’s just the economy; your military doesn’t even have an aircraft carrier. The U.S has approximately 11-13. This is exactly my point, your country is of tender age and your politicians are inexperienced in diplomatic relations. China is developing, and it is the fastest developing country in the world, and will continue to do so for next 10-20 years, perhaps even surpassing the U.S economy by 2030.

Yes, might as well look at who's trillion in debt and who holds whose treasury bonds
Yes, Chinese does not have 11-13 aircraft carriers to police the world like the American
Yes, your point is China should stop supporting its ally North Korea to make South Korea happy, China/Taiwan should drop its territorial claim to make Japan happy, China should give all rights of Spratly Islands to ASEAN or else China is inexperience in diplomatic relation to you, no? Better yet, stop investing/competing with European companies in Africa and elsewhere in the world, so Chinese will not be called inexperienced in diplomatic relationship just because they are competitive and taking jobs from Westerners.

"Inexperienced", "Shortsightedness" is something you will find common in American policy and its doing around the world, no? So, you should argue that it is inexperience in diplomatic relationship? Oh right, the US wouldn't claim any Spratly Islands if it was in Chinese positions it will gladly give all those pivotal point to ASEAN and make everyone happy! I tend to forget, the fact that it has 11-13 Aircraft Carrier floating around the world already proven enough.

However, you have to understand that Western countries currently control the balance of power in the world, and this can’t be argued. They have military pacts such as NATO which will drag 15-20 countries into war within 24 hours if need be. This they have learnt from WWI and WWII.

No doubt!

China needs to realise that one person cannot stand up against a gang. If China wants to expand diplomatically and have control they need to make allies.

Does SCO not count as an alliance to you or some sort?
Yes, China must make friend with pro-US neighbor like S.Korea, Japan or something to you?
Yes, China should just gave up their territorial sovereignty because if they don’t give up, they’re standing up against a Gang, is that what you’re telling me?

Why the fUKk would you pick a fight with Vietnam who is another communist country? Instead of making peaceful military ties with Vietnam, your politicians have decided to start an unnecessary fight.

Right, so you are advising the Chinese to drop their territorial claims and gave the island to Vietnamese and everyone is happy. So how come the Vietnamese does not do the same, oh right, because in Vietnamese mind Chinese is evil, it is rightfully Vietnamese owned. Anything else you want to share?

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[Attention]

Instead of controlling your resentment you have asserted your power against Japan. Instead of granting freedom to Tibet you have chosen to occupy. Instead of making peace with Taiwan you have chosen to line up missiles. The most depressing point of all you have chosen to jail your own citizen who is a Noble prize winner. This creates an evil perception within the wider community (ASIA) that China isn’t so peaceful after all.
If someone pointed a gun at you and tell you that’s its empty would you believe him? Actions speak louder than words. As a result you have lost the trust of the Asia.

So, can I say the same to the Vietnamese? Instead of controlling your resentment, you have asserted your complaints against China. Well, first go sue UN for supporting Tibet is part of China, get UN on your side and start your so called “Gang” to gang up against China in regards to Tibet. However, there is a reason why UN recognized TIBET as part of China, maybe you should take some time to explore. Hopefully, you wouldn't think UN is afraid of China that is why they recognized Tibet as part of China.

Apparently, you do not know why there is a peace Nobel Prize winner, no? That is to tell you, the action/behavior of Chinese government doesn’t necessary reflect the citizen. Therefore, when a brainless genius that want to criticize Chinese intelligence base on governmental policy, he’s only fooling himself and nothing more.

If someone tells you, that whole Asia doesn’t trust you, should you be sad? Sorry to break it to you, no one actually like or trust American/Russian, well except some special interest group. To be honest, I do not expect anyone to trust China at all, even under the presumption that China will rise “PEACEFULLY”. You do not trust China today, fine! However, does that mean we stop trading and stop talking to each other because of territorial dispute, no! Look around, people needs China today for economical reasons; don’t be too quick to judge. In the end of day, some comprises has to be made, we will just have to wait and see.

White people aren’t smart at all.

Even for Vietnamese who is being occupied 1,000 years, I would not say they are not smart at all. Of course, your negativity seems to dictate your conclusion quite often.

It’s just they understand that they need to work together to achieve a common goal. They don’t allow self indulgence and arrogance to get the best of them. This is why the Europeans countries will always be ahead of Asia. They work and share knowledge with one another. They build computers, they build planes, they find vaccine for cancer, and they essentially build China’s economy.

Ironically, USA is rescuing Asia from Japanese evil yesterday, now it is China.
Yes, I perfectly understand your sentimental blabbing about unity, but whether by peace or divide and conquer that’s still debatable. Sinister as it might sound, China itself is a form of unity since its existences; it wasn’t called continuous civilization/empire for no reason!

But the scary thing about the West is that they are prepared to die for one another. This can be seen in Iraq and Afghanistan where soldiers from across the globe poor in to help the U.S with its occupation or invasion. There is currently no unity in Asia. Some are communists, some are capitalists and some still follow the commonwealth. There needs to be unity. China with its growth and population has the potential to unite Asia into a force. Unfortunately, over the past few years they have taken the wrong move.

With Japan under US military occupation and many Pro-West parties, such an ideology is not always plausible. Even china was benevolent and loving, we can’t guarantee such a theory would take fruit, therefore, one should not find an easy target to blame in hopes of camouflaging their own failure.

LOL POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT, yes Chinese politicans and officials are some of the most corrupted people in the world. thanks for the awesome info.

No problem, what comes around goes around!

This post has been edited by Attention: Oct 16 2010, 02:04 AM

[Attention]

Yes, it is good to have a strong China to counter-balance the West, but I wish it can be a benign Asian power and not be percieve as a threat by their neighbours. At the moment, the countries here are wary and scared by the muscling tactics of the Chinese Navy over the disputed area in the South China Sea, and not having the military strength to counter it, they will of course allow the Americans and others to come in.
I think this can be avoided if China practice restraint, and better diplomacy.

To be honest, no major power is perfect and can make everyone happy while pursuing their own interest. If you're referencing Spratly Islands, then you should fully study the situation between all Spratly Islands claimants and not pinpoint China since it is the biggest target for the blame game.

Malaysian
First visited Spratly in 1978, then claim part of the Spratly the following Year

Philippines
The claims started when Japanese retreated in 1947, but it made no official claims on the 1951 peace treaty.

People's Republic of China
Formal claims had begun way before the discovery of oil, during 1933 when French had laid claims on Spratly
Garrison of troops on Spratlys already took place during 1947

Taiwan aka (Republic of China) who used to governed China
The 1951 peace treaty show Japanese recognition of Spratly as Chinese territory.
Longest continuation occupation of largest Spratly Islands (Itu Aba)
Its claim on Spratly is reinforce by Japanese recognition of its sovereignty during the San Francisco treaty, which receive international acknowledgment

Vietnam
As for Vietnam, there is no clear indication that France ceded the so-called Spratlys it occupied from other country, say China.

1. Ironically, many claimants were not what we would called Independent state before WWII, I hope you know what I'm implying here!
2. Unknown to many, (WESTERN) international law were not basis for sovereignty in Asia, not to mentioned the time frame during and after the establishment of United Nation Security Council.
3. While the Chinese had discovered the island and made "OFFICIAL" claims prior to all claimants, it doesn't have the necessary economical/political/military power to incorporate such islands require by that of modern Western International Laws.


If you have studied this Spratly issues in detail, you'll know Taiwan have the strongest case out of all claimants, China is second, though they are essentially all Chinese. The third is Vietnam. While rest of SE Asia, whether out of greed or whatnots, I will not comment any further!

Yes, I honestly don't blame people as Chinese is increasing their capability to fully incorporate the islands.

This post has been edited by Attention: Oct 16 2010, 10:08 PM

[Suione]

To be honest, no major power is perfect and can make everyone happy while pursuing their own interest. If you're referencing Spratly Islands, then you should fully study the situation between all Spratly Islands claimants and not pinpoint China since it is the biggest target for the blame game.

Tkns for sharing your take of China and the arbitrary rightness of the claimants. I see China as being in control of the ball-game; a league above the other players, and she can afford to throw away a few game-points to win over hearts, and still take the game at the end of the day.
Maybe I have to be excused for the political nalvete, but that's my wish.

[asaiofinest]

To be honest, no major power is perfect and can make everyone happy while pursuing their own interest. If you're referencing Spratly Islands, then you should fully study the situation between all Spratly Islands claimants and not pinpoint China since it is the biggest target for the blame game.

Malaysian
First visited Spratly in 1978, then claim part of the Spratly the following Year

Philippines
The claims started when Japanese retreated in 1947, but it made no official claims on the 1951 peace treaty.

People's Republic of China
Formal claims had begun way before the discovery of oil, during 1933 when French had laid claims on Spratly
Garrison of troops on Spratlys already took place during 1947

Taiwan aka (Republic of China) who used to governed China
The 1951 peace treaty show Japanese recognition of Spratly as Chinese territory.
Longest continuation occupation of largest Spratly Islands (Itu Aba)
Its claim on Spratly is reinforce by Japanese recognition of its sovereignty during the San Francisco treaty, which receive international acknowledgment

Vietnam
As for Vietnam, there is no clear indication that France ceded the so-called Spratlys it occupied from other country, say China.

1. Ironically, many claimants were not what we would called Independent state before WWII, I hope you know what I'm implying here!
2. Unknown to many, (WESTERN) international law were not basis for sovereignty in Asia, not to mentioned the time frame during and after the establishment of United Nation Security Council.
3. While the Chinese had discovered the island and made "OFFICIAL" claims prior to all claimants, it doesn't have the necessary economical/political/military power to incorporate such islands require by that of modern Western International Laws.


If you have studied this Spratly issues in detail, you'll know Taiwan have the strongest case out of all claimants, China is second, though they are essentially all Chinese. The third is Vietnam. While rest of SE Asia, whether out of greed or whatnots, I will not comment any further!

Yes, I honestly don't blame people as Chinese is increasing their capability to fully incorporate the islands.

China through its propaganda machine, has been touting that China is the Super Power. He conveniently ignored the the truth. This has been pointed out to you time and again yet you still continue with the CCP party line. Learn to think for yourself troll.

[FieryOFTheEast]

My adversaries crumble when we rumble it's a catastrophe
Out for revenge on b!tch niggaz that blasted me
Plus my alias is Vietnamese
A loaded three-fifty-seven with hollow points to a nigga chinese
Bust him to see if he bleed, he shoulda never fu-ked around
with a sick-@$$ nigga like me
They call my name out and niggaz run
Best be prepared for the viets, here we come niggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


This is jsut fu-king around to don't take it so serious LOL

This post has been edited by FieryOFTheEast: Oct 22 2010, 11:35 PM

[Attention]

China through its propaganda machine, has been touting that China is the Super Power. He conveniently ignored the the truth. This has been pointed out to you time and again yet you still continue with the CCP party line. Learn to think for yourself troll.

On the contrary, you should give the credit to west for touting that China is an emerging Superpower.

How convenient for someone to label anything propaganda, just because he or she refuse to listen to facts that's differ from his/her own.

What I wrote above is from Western sources, not unless you think China funded Western journal database in regards to Spratly Sovereignty. Anyone can dig up the San Francisco (1951) treaty content, study them. ^_^

Statement of the First Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, A.A. Gromyko, at the Conference in San Francisco (1951)
These agreements recognize the absolutely indisputable rights of China, now the Chinese People's Republic, to territories severed from it. It is an indisputable fact that original Chinese territories which were severed from it, such as Taiwan (Formosa), the Pescadores, the Paracel Islands and other Chinese territories, should be returned to the Chinese People's Republic.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia...92/period4.html

Yes, China is evil by invading Vietnamese Paracel islands? LOL
Right, everything that's against Vietnam is Chinese propaganda, how convenient
Hopefully, you wouldn't think Chinese can manipulate Japanese Foreign affair websites

Maybe the fact that Vietnam isn't even an Independent state before WWII is hard to comprehend to many Vietnamese

This post has been edited by Attention: Oct 23 2010, 12:59 PM

[Attention]

My adversaries crumble when we rumble it's a catastrophe
Out for revenge on b!tch niggaz that blasted me
Plus my alias is Vietnamese
A loaded three-fifty-seven with hollow points to a nigga chinese
Bust him to see if he bleed, he shoulda never fu-ked around
with a sick-@$$ nigga like me
They call my name out and niggaz run
Best be prepared for the viets, here we come niggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


This is jsut fu-king around to don't take it so serious LOL

Kiss of Dragon vs Kissing @$$ of Dragon.

[asaiofinest]

On the contrary, you should give the credit to west for touting that China is an emerging Superpower.

How convenient for someone to label anything propaganda, just because he or she refuse to listen to facts that's differ from his/her own.

What I wrote above is from Western sources, not unless you think China funded Western journal database in regards to Spratly Sovereignty. Anyone can dig up the San Francisco (1951) treaty content, study them. ^_^

Statement of the First Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, A.A. Gromyko, at the Conference in San Francisco (1951)
These agreements recognize the absolutely indisputable rights of China, now the Chinese People's Republic, to territories severed from it. It is an indisputable fact that original Chinese territories which were severed from it, such as Taiwan (Formosa), the Pescadores, the Paracel Islands and other Chinese territories, should be returned to the Chinese People's Republic.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia...92/period4.html

Yes, China is evil by invading Vietnamese Paracel islands? LOL
Right, everything that's against Vietnam is Chinese propaganda, how convenient
Hopefully, you wouldn't think Chinese can manipulate Japanese Foreign affair websites

Maybe the fact that Vietnam isn't even an Independent state before WWII is hard to comprehend to many Vietnamese

Good job comrade Chicom. All talked big and non-sense. People are equal to each other, it is disgusting that your point of view look at people like trashes, only Chicom chineses do that they have no respect for human and value people life. Are you belong to idiotic Nazi-chinese, racist? so you are not afraid of Vietnam. You only are afraid of the US?

[Attention]

Good job comrade Chicom.

I'm afraid that I'm no comrade of yours. ^_^

All talked big and non-sense.

I'm sorry if it faltered your diminutive existence.

People are equal to each other, it is disgusting that your point of view look at people like trashes, only Chicom chineses do that they have no respect for human and value people life.

Are people really equal to each other? If that was the true consortium, then evolution might not be feasible

Yes, "only" Chinese have no respect for any worldly being and treats them like trash, though, are you being treated like a trash by the Chinese?

Are you belong to idiotic Nazi-chinese, racist? so you are not afraid of Vietnam. You only are afraid of the US?

Do you understand what "idiotic" means, let alone understanding it?
Your concerns is better rephrase as --> Are Vietnam more afraid of US or China

This post has been edited by Attention: Oct 27 2010, 05:46 PM

[asaiofinest]

I'm afraid that I'm no comrade of yours. ^_^



I'm sorry if it faltered your diminutive existence.



Are people really equal to each other? If that was the true consortium, then evolution might not be feasible

Yes, "only" Chinese have no respect for any worldly being and treats them like trash, though, are you being treated like a trash by the Chinese?



Do you understand what "idiotic" means, let alone understanding it?
Your concerns is better rephrase as --> Are Vietnam more afraid of US or China

Chicom viewed is a joke and a bad one. I think you are wrong, there is a history behind this issue. Fact is in the modern history, this greedy China caused so much misery to Vietnam, Chingchong Naval warships tresspassing in Vietnam water and kills Vietnamese people it was all committed by Chineses. China poisonous products affected you brain. You are so stupid and naive, the whole world fear of China greedy and poisonous products. greedy and poisonous products.

[lel]

Chicom viewed is a joke and a bad one.

Anything to make you feel happy, no?
Yes, Vietcong isn't viewed as a joke if that make any difference to your miserable existence.

I think you are wrong, there is a history behind this issue. Fact is in the modern history, this greedy China caused so much misery to Vietnam, Chingchong Naval warships tresspassing in Vietnam water and kills Vietnamese people it was all committed by Chineses.

Yes, there is a history of Chinese domination of Vietnam for 1,000 years.
Yes, the evil Chinese committed crimes against Vietnamese and Vietnamese did not commit any crimes to Cambodian/Khmer, Laotian and Cham that's why they are here telling me how evil Chinese is.

China poisonous products affected you brain. You are so stupid and naive, the whole world fear of China greedy and poisonous products. greedy and poisonous products.

In that respect, did agent orange given by your American donor affected your brain? If that's the case, I will stop tormenting your already deprived soul.

Ironically, your @$$ kissing government still imports poisonous products from China, what's your stance on that? Money matters, no? ^_^
Are Vietnamese not greedy? My, how naive and unrealistic you are! ^_^