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China may be open to democracy in the future
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post Nov 10 2011, 08:04 PM
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Yes EU loses it's individualism & independence. Greece economic problem started like a cancer, and it's spreading. If one member cannot get their house in order, what to expect? Probably they have to amputate Greece first before let it join later. Too fast, too soon. The prospect of long recession in EU likely for certain member states.
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post Nov 21 2011, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Oct 15 2010, 02:03 PM) *
the CCP have met in Beijing to draw up economic plans for the next five years. amidst the Nobel Peace Prize row, china's agenda are increasingly becoming democracized. check this out:

http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/artic...26890_3216.html

a summary of the essential points:

in the next 5-year plan, china wants to close the gap between the rich and poor.

china looks for ways to develop an economy that is not esport-dependent.

premier Wen jiabao has said "the calls for democracy and freedom will become irresistable" (in effect the china is admitting democracy will come and it won't be able to stop it)

some members in the CCP and the chinese media have said "if the chinese communist party does not reform itself, if it does not transform itself, it will die a natural death"



First of all, it must be clearly stated that liberal democracy is just but one form of democracy and there are countless other kind of democracies out there.

The words "democracy", "freedom" and "human rights" have been so distorted as if the only kind of democracy that have the former characteristics is liberal democracy.

It's not democracy vs authoritarians; it should be liberal democracy vs democracy with Chinese or other characteristics

China will not and should not become a liberal democracy - ever.

It will only ruins China - that's for sure......isn't that what's the west want ???

While it's true that China officially has only a party, many people don't realize that there are many factions within the CCP itself.

No matter what differences they have with each other, all factions will make sure that the policies will be executed as soon as possible.

This is the complete opposite with liberal democracy where you have parties bickering and blocking each other proposals - delaying the implementation of policies...

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post Dec 25 2011, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Oct 15 2010, 02:03 PM) *
the CCP have met in Beijing to draw up economic plans for the next five years. amidst the Nobel Peace Prize row, china's agenda are increasingly becoming democracized. check this out:

http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/artic...26890_3216.html

a summary of the essential points:

in the next 5-year plan, china wants to close the gap between the rich and poor.

china looks for ways to develop an economy that is not esport-dependent.

premier Wen jiabao has said "the calls for democracy and freedom will become irresistable" (in effect the china is admitting democracy will come and it won't be able to stop it)

some members in the CCP and the chinese media have said "if the chinese communist party does not reform itself, if it does not transform itself, it will die a natural death"


Hy i live in Germany EU and would really recommend china NOT to have Democracy,

Democracy my be nice in the short term but in the long term it caused unsolvable problems in europe,

one reason is, that democratic voted leaders dont think for the good of their people in the long term as they just care about short term success.

u can see that on europe best, europe lost its military power as the people are not united anymore they are divided into many parties everbody cares of his materialistic success.

another point is the clash of cultures between the west and the muslim world in our time,
america will, but europe will not survive it at is it not able to get rid of the islamification problem as the growing muslim minorities can use democraty to divide the people will and to establish their crazy idea of a God State.

human rights ideal are useless against muslims as they just care what koran says, and so today we have the situation in europe that while in egypt christians get a double high taxation rate per head to force them to convert, in europe the "christian" society is divided how to treat their muslim minority.

democracy and human rights will be closed as a chapter in human history soon forget that $hit. keep your dictature and try it to preserve your kulture in the long term.
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post Dec 27 2011, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (zerohunt @ Dec 25 2011, 08:55 PM) *
Hy i live in Germany EU and would really recommend china NOT to have Democracy,

Democracy my be nice in the short term but in the long term it caused unsolvable problems in europe,

one reason is, that democratic voted leaders dont think for the good of their people in the long term as they just care about short term success.

u can see that on europe best, europe lost its military power as the people are not united anymore they are divided into many parties everbody cares of his materialistic success.

another point is the clash of cultures between the west and the muslim world in our time,
america will, but europe will not survive it at is it not able to get rid of the islamification problem as the growing muslim minorities can use democraty to divide the people will and to establish their crazy idea of a God State.

human rights ideal are useless against muslims as they just care what koran says, and so today we have the situation in europe that while in egypt christians get a double high taxation rate per head to force them to convert, in europe the "christian" society is divided how to treat their muslim minority.

democracy and human rights will be closed as a chapter in human history soon forget that $hit. keep your dictature and try it to preserve your kulture in the long term.

Zerohunt, I agree with you that the present obsession with Democracy is a Red Herring particularly with the threat of totalitarian ideologies that are determined to exploit the weaknesses of the democratic system.
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post Dec 28 2011, 02:56 AM
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jeah thats the problem but u can see similar situation in other countries which follow this stupid western ideal of equality in religion and democracy, take Kashmir Region in India,

this region got islamisifcated (in past it was lika pakistan banglades, afghanistan and indonesia ;-) hindu and Buddist) and is ongoing get islamificated by pakistan, taliban and al quida, --> india cannot do something against because its garanteeing religious freedom but now they are promoting seperatism riots in order to cut the region out of india.
this will happen to china's provinzes too if china is so stupid and follow this ideals, which openly allow cultural fights via religions
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PRC will never accept democracy if that means the country is open for revolution.
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