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West should be prepared to use force against China, says Kevin Rudd
bear11
post Dec 6 2010, 06:32 AM
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Former Australian PM Kevin Rudd said the West should be prepared to use force against China if it acted irresponsibly, a cable leaked by Wikileaks alleges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11925438

Why the fu-k China still has only 200 atomic bombs, it need immediately produce at least 10000 bombs, how fu-king arrogant are those white pigs.

And what the fu-k is this about Tibet, Aborigines in Australia live at least 10 years shorter than white people, this white pig should take care of them.


And what is wrong with the communists, China must arm it self to the teeth whit every available weapon of mass destruction, so what if it comes to nuclear war, we all be dead.

Imagine how would they scream if some Chinese official said that we need to invade Australia if China need resources

this makes my blood boil, China arm yourself for the total war, if it comes so we will all be dead , so what, but this white pigs must be touth a lesson.

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post Dec 10 2010, 06:14 AM
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The PLOT THICKENS....apparently, Rudd was axed by the Americans and Gillard was groomed as his replacement. So, was Rudd really pro or anti-China???

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=22350

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The latest batch of the several hundred leaked US diplomatic cables concerning Australia, provided by WikiLeaks to the Fairfax company’s Sydney Morning Herald and Melbourne Age, provide further extraordinary evidence of Washington’s direct involvement in the anti-democratic coup against former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd last June.

Key coup plotters in the Labor Party and trade unions—including senators Mark Arbib and David Feeney, and Australian Workers Union chief Paul Howes—secretly provided the US embassy with regular updates on internal government discussions and divisions within the leadership. As early as June 2008, the American ambassador identified Julia Gillard as the “front-runner” to replace Rudd. In October 2009, i.e., eight months before Gillard was installed in unprecedented circumstances, Mark Arbib informed American officials of emerging leadership tensions. The Australian people, on the other hand, were kept entirely in the dark about any differences between the prime minister and his colleagues until after Rudd was ousted.

Gillard was described, some two years before the coup, by US diplomatic officials as the “rising star” within the Labor government. They made various enquiries into Gillard’s foreign policy sympathies, receiving assurances from government sources that her origins in the party’s “left” faction had no policy significance whatsoever. Arbib told the embassy that Gillard was “one of the most pragmatic politicians in the ALP”; Victorian senator David Feeney added that “there is no longer any intellectual integrity in the factions” and that “there is no major policy issue on which he, a Right factional leader, differs from Gillard”. When embassy officials checked on Gillard with Paul Howes, Australian Workers Union boss and subsequent anti-Rudd coup plotter, observing that “ALP politicians from the Left, no matter how capable, do not become party leader,” he responded immediately: “but she votes with the Right’.”

The Sydney Morning Herald and Age have published parts of the latest material in excerpted form, ahead of their full public release expected in coming weeks. They focus today on Mark Arbib’s role as a “secret US source”. One of the key apparatchiks in Labor’s powerful New South Wales right-wing faction, Arbib reportedly made several requests to US officials that his identity as a “protected” informant be guarded.

The cables refer to Arbib as early as mid-2006, when he served as NSW Labor Party state secretary. After being elected to the senate in the November 2007 federal election, the factional leader deepened his relationship with Washington. A US embassy profile, authored in July 2009, noted that Arbib “understands the importance of supporting a vibrant relationship with the US” and that officials “have found him personable, confident and articulate”. The profile also recorded that he “has met with us repeatedly throughout his political rise”. Other cables referred to the senator as a “right-wing powerbroker and political rising star” and noted his influence within both Labor’s factions and “Rudd’s inner circle”.

The cables make clear that Arbib and the other identified MPs function not simply as mere US “sources”, as characterised in the media today—but rather as agents. Within the Labor and trade unions apparatuses, these party members serve as conduits for Washington’s agenda. The embassy communications reveal the extent to which the US government determines Australian foreign policy and dictates who will hold senior government posts, including the office of prime minister.

A precise chronology of Washington’s sordid, behind-the-scenes manipulation of Australian political affairs, between the Labor Party’s election victory in November 2007 and Rudd’s axing in June 2010, is likely to emerge once WikiLeaks releases the full cache of relevant cables.

Already, however, it is now beyond dispute that Washington began cultivating Gillard at the same time as embassy officials were issuing damning assessments of Rudd, above all over his stance on Beijing. In June 2008, the same month Gillard was named as the “front-runner” to succeed Rudd, the prime minister unveiled his Asia-Pacific Community project, attempting to mediate the escalating strategic rivalry between the US and China. An American embassy cable lambasted this proposal as yet another Rudd initiative launched “without advance consultation”. (See: “WikiLeaks cables cast fresh light on coup against former Australian PM Rudd”)
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- bear11   West should be prepared to use force against China   Dec 6 2010, 06:32 AM
- - boobu   that's just fuking classic! notice they l...   Dec 6 2010, 09:08 AM
- - Titanium   LOL no need to get your blood boiling, this is jus...   Dec 6 2010, 11:22 AM
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- - African   China can overrun Australia while seated on her se...   Dec 6 2010, 11:27 AM
- - Lorax   time to make australia into the australian autonom...   Dec 6 2010, 01:19 PM
- - Lorax   the US will not help australia. the US is now in t...   Dec 6 2010, 01:21 PM
|- - African   QUOTE (Lorax @ Dec 6 2010, 02:21 PM) the ...   Dec 6 2010, 02:09 PM
- - ClassicalMusic   Castrate the F@CKING BASTARD   Dec 6 2010, 02:32 PM
|- - African   QUOTE (ClassicalMusic @ Dec 6 2010, 03:32...   Dec 6 2010, 02:41 PM
- - Assange   That's funny coming from an irresponsible lead...   Dec 6 2010, 03:15 PM
|- - African   QUOTE (Assange @ Dec 6 2010, 04:15 PM) Th...   Dec 6 2010, 03:19 PM
- - Assange   If they declare war we should throw 10000000000000...   Dec 6 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - African   QUOTE (Assange @ Dec 6 2010, 04:22 PM) If...   Dec 6 2010, 03:29 PM
- - Assange   What I am saying is that we should blow ourselves ...   Dec 6 2010, 03:32 PM
|- - African   QUOTE (Assange @ Dec 6 2010, 04:32 PM) Wh...   Dec 6 2010, 03:41 PM
- - retaxis   The thing is, what he is saying we all already kne...   Dec 6 2010, 09:43 PM
- - Lorax   Australia is a genocidal country that was and is i...   Dec 6 2010, 10:12 PM
- - Lorax   dp   Dec 6 2010, 10:13 PM
- - AsianGames   Nothing new here Imperialism and Hypocrisy are ess...   Dec 6 2010, 10:27 PM
- - qwerty2010   Don't joke about this, it's closer than yo...   Dec 7 2010, 12:02 AM
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- - qwerty2010   Mods, Thank you for the deletion . Sorry for retur...   Dec 7 2010, 07:55 AM
- - Titanium   The Western World consists of a very large part of...   Dec 7 2010, 12:20 PM
|- - AsianGames   QUOTE (Titanium @ Dec 7 2010, 12:20 PM) T...   Dec 7 2010, 07:35 PM
- - MiddleKingdom1   Did you know that Australia has the same size popu...   Dec 7 2010, 04:34 PM
- - InitialDJay   i wouldn't second guess that china would use n...   Dec 7 2010, 10:47 PM
- - matigasngulo   Kevin Rudd is a #1 Machiavellian / Follower of Han...   Dec 8 2010, 06:10 AM
- - swingdoctor   I'm Australian and although I'm personally...   Dec 8 2010, 06:37 AM
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- - LiquidRoosevelt   Australia doesn't want to fight China haha. It...   Dec 9 2010, 02:15 AM
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- - hupehdesi   QUOTE (bear11 @ Dec 6 2010, 04:32 AM) For...   Dec 9 2010, 06:36 PM
- - MiddleKingdom1   QUOTE (swingdoctor)Well I guess, since it is Kevin...   Dec 9 2010, 08:19 PM
- - MiddleKingdom1   QUOTE The irony is that over the same period of ti...   Dec 9 2010, 08:23 PM
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- - qwerty2010   And a Merry Christmas to everyone! MUST WA...   Dec 10 2010, 04:38 AM
- - qwerty2010   The PLOT THICKENS....apparently, Rudd was axed by ...   Dec 10 2010, 06:14 AM
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- - qwerty2010   Looks like the US orchestrated a coup against Rudd...   Dec 10 2010, 06:23 AM
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