West should be prepared to use force against China, says Kevin Rudd Options

[qwerty2010]

ignore them and just work hard.

Yeah, I suspect the same too.

There's more dirt to come, apparently, as The Fairfax told the other news media there are more leaks. We might get a fuller picture eventually, but I'm wondering, does this affect China-Aus trade? Does this indicate there is much more to the Australian Defense Report in which it implicated China? How far will Australia let the US push them in confronting China?

Stay Tuned!

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Dec 15 2010, 09:57 AM

[African]

Yeah, I suspect the same too.

There's more dirt to come, apparently, as The Fairfax told the other news media there are more leaks. We might get a fuller picture eventually, but I'm wondering, does this affect China-Aus trade? Does this indicate there is much more to the Australian Defense Report in which it implicated China? How far will Australia let the US push them in confronting China?

Stay Tuned!

China has nothing to lose. Australia will not end diplomatic relations with China and vise versa. Australia is under British monarch hence always being manipulated by US just like Britain the puppet of the US. China needs to focus ahead and ignore anything unproductive coming to her ears.

[swingdoctor]

Shouting in abusive expletives simply shows the "quality" of person you are. It makes you look RABID, foaming at the mouth, out of control and like you have lost your marbles.

I guess what you lack in FACTS, you make up for in ABUSES. Like I said, Real CLASS.

And no, contrary to what you claimed, you posted ONE LOUSY STALE article by Murdoch's rag, Herald Sun, about Rudd's timeline, but even then, it HIGHLIGHTED a frenzy of behind the scenes events and activities that led to the COUP.

And also, I said to GOOGLE, is that so hard to do???

Funny how, as an Australian, you could have MISSED such sensational headlines in MAJOR Australian Newspapers???!! Also how you have zero knowledge or interest in this, a breach of Aussie security by the US and instead offered a full throttled attack on those who would call attention to this???

Since you are TOO LAZY, Here's a LIST. A SIMPLE SEARCH SHOWED HUNDREDS of sites.

Do you NEED me to cut n paste them for you too?

Do you need me to rewrite them in simple English for you?

Like how Arbib is a key architect of Rudd's ousting? Like how Arbib is a US informant? How the machinations to install Gillard started even before Rudd's ratings fell? How the Americans knew?

Let's take a look at some Front Pages:

ttp://www.theaustralianpost.com/2010/12/there-is-something-more-about-mark-arbib/

The Australian
WikiLeaks outs Mark Arbib as US informant

* Paul Maley, Mark Dodd and Peter Wilson
* From: The Australian
* December 09, 2010 12:00AM

FEDERAL Labor powerbroker Mark Arbib has been outed as a key source of intelligence on government and internal party machinations to the US embassy.

New embassy cables, released by WikiLeaks to Fairfax newspapers today, reveal the influential right-wing Labor MP has been one of the embassy's best ALP informants, along with former frontbencher Bob McMullan and current MP Michael Danby.

The documents say the Minister for Sport had been secretly offering details of Labor's inner workings even before his election to the Senate in 2007, dating back to his time as general secretary of the party's NSW branch from 2004.

Senator Arbib was one of the "faceless men" who was instrumental in the decision to oust Kevin Rudd and install Julia Gillard as Prime Minister in June.

The documents also identify Senator Arbib as a strong backer of the Australia-US alliance.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/w...q-1225967923486

WikiLeaks outs America's Aussie mole: Labor's Mark Arbib named as embassy source
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/nationa...c-1225967938502

Sydney Morning Herald
Yank in the ranks
Philip Dorling
December 9, 2010

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technolog...1208-18pwi.html

Mark Arbib, aka CIA Agent 007
Megan Levy
December 9, 2010

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/a...1208-18prg.html

The Courier Mail

SPORTS Minister Mark Arbib outed as secret US source by WikiLeaks
# Phillip Hudson and AAP

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nationa...o-1225968052771

ABC
Leaked documents reveal Arbib as secret US source

Brendan Trembath reported this story on Thursday, December 9, 2010 08:00:00
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3088631.htm


And MANY MANY MORE...

Firstly I call a spade a spade unlike you I don't make surruptitious insults, if I think you're an idiot I'll call you an idiot or in your case.......

Secondly I have read all the news references you provided, and to be honest I've read most of them already, you don't however provide anything new. Nobody is in dispute that 1) Abib provided information to the US regarding Labours internal workings, not just with regard to Rudd, he also informed the US that Gillard was Rudd's main threat, I'm not disputing this. We also know, and this is not from Wikileaks, that 2) Abib along with Bill Shorten and a few other influential players were the power brokers that brought Rudd down, and so far only Abib has been singled out as a US "informant". To be honest the main power broker in the Labour Party and likley future leader is Bill Shorten who hasn't been linked in Wikileaks. Either way the newspapers do not suggest nor say that Abib was working under the instructions of the US. It is highly doubtful that Abib, or any 1 individual including Bill shorten in their own right has the clout to bring down a sitting PM.

You are absolutely right when you say that SMH or The Age MAY release further information from wikileaks that shows Abib was working under the instruction of(rather then simply providing information to) the US. However, you don't know this any better then I do and until such information is released, anyone would be stupid to link the 2.

Finally the article I provided that demonstates the timeline and reasons Rudd was dumped was referenced from The Australian newspapaer NOT the Herald Sun. Again get your facts right.

[xentradi97]

No need to compare whose d!cks are bigger. There will not be a war in NE Asian region period. Not simply because China is gaining power in military but because the neighboring countries including Russia, Korea, Japan will not allow that to happen. Despite sometimes animosity laden history and current shaky topic of North Korea, the region is peaceful and economically thriving. There's absolutely nothing for anyone in that region to gain from the war. There's a kind of lose and hidden solidarity between the countries in that region and while on the surface they might argue about history, politics and economic stuff, the root is deeply rooted in PEACE.

West cannot even attack North Korea despite a number of belligerent act that the country almost deserves it for the very same reason.

Compare that with the Middle East. US was able to gain support to attack Afganistan and IRAQ. Well at least Afgan war had a justifiable cause. IRAQ it didn't. And the war could have been prevented, if the neighboring countries such as UAE, JORDAN, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries boycotted the support of the war. But they didn't because they simply didn't care whether IRAQ burned. Even Turkey gave US air strip to attack Iraq.

In order for US or any Western countries to successfully launch an offensive on China, they need support from Russia (or at least stand aside), South Korea and Japan to greenlight it and allow them to use their naval base, airstrip, resources and others. And the answer is NO and will be NO.

Once NK issue gets resolved peacefully, NE region is poised to become the most powerful industrial and economical block in the world that will rival or even surpass US + EU. Why would anyone in NE wants to fu-k that up?

[African]

No need to compare whose d!cks are bigger. There will not be a war in NE Asian region period. Not simply because China is gaining power in military but because the neighboring countries including Russia, Korea, Japan will not allow that to happen. Despite sometimes animosity laden history and current shaky topic of North Korea, the region is peaceful and economically thriving. There's absolutely nothing for anyone in that region to gain from the war. There's a kind of lose and hidden solidarity between the countries in that region and while on the surface they might argue about history, politics and economic stuff, the root is deeply rooted in PEACE.

West cannot even attack North Korea despite a number of belligerent act that the country almost deserves it for the very same reason.

Compare that with the Middle East. US was able to gain support to attack Afganistan and IRAQ. Well at least Afgan war had a justifiable cause. IRAQ it didn't. And the war could have been prevented, if the neighboring countries such as UAE, JORDAN, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries boycotted the support of the war. But they didn't because they simply didn't care whether IRAQ burned. Even Turkey gave US air strip to attack Iraq.

In order for US or any Western countries to successfully launch an offensive on China, they need support from Russia (or at least stand aside), South Korea and Japan to greenlight it and allow them to use their naval base, airstrip, resources and others. And the answer is NO and will be NO.

Once NK issue gets resolved peacefully, NE region is poised to become the most powerful industrial and economical block in the world that will rival or even surpass US + EU. Why would anyone in NE wants to fu-k that up?

I agree with you. The orient would enjoy lasting peace if US leaves the peninsula.

Just imagine what would happen if US leaves Asian issues to Asians.

[manko]

I agree with you. The orient would enjoy lasting peace if US leaves the peninsula.

Just imagine what would happen if US leaves Asian issues to Asians.

How is lasting peace possible with all the hostility between the Asians nations?

[xentradi97]

I agree with you. The orient would enjoy lasting peace if US leaves the peninsula.

Just imagine what would happen if US leaves Asian issues to Asians.

US will not leave the entire Asia as it too now is a big part of the whole dynamic. They are all linked together in terms of economical and political significance.

[xentradi97]

How is lasting peace possible with all the hostility between the Asians nations?

Lasting peace is possible because the stake is too high. As I said, while the countries will bicker and argue for decades to come, they won't go to a war. Why? Because the way they are dependent and linked with eachother economically, the stake is way way too high. People don't do something rash when they got so much to lose.

China, Korea, Japan should take a lesson in EU. And also study why and how Arab alliance fell apart allowing US and ally forces to bomb Iraq freely without even justifiable cause.