Ancient Artifacts, Ancient Paintings & More Options

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Taken from Lichsuvn.info

khiên này có trong sách Mỹ thuật việt Nam-TRANH CO VIET NAM (ANCIENT AND TRADITIONAL PAINTINGS OF VIETNAM), pages 68-69.
("Triumphal return of the military mandarin -- At the end of the 18th century (Doc Loi - Quynh - Nghe An)"
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14105&stc=1
Notice how different we dressed before 19th century.

khiên hình thuỗn dài có hoa văn rồng thời Lý
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14030&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14032&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14033&stc=1

ngoài ra còn có cái làm bằng mây, rất đẹp
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14102&stc=1

có cả khiên tròn cũng cực tinh xảo, trưng bàyđấu giá bở nhà Southeby Newyork
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14075&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14074&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14073&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14072&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1

This post has been edited by thumbsUp: Jul 3 2011, 03:34 AM

[XigonCongchua]

Lord Nguyen decreed that "women dresses had to sewn together", speaking in Vietnamese, áo yếm and áo ngoài phải mai chặt với nhau, so the inner shirt doesn't show.

BTW don't you see that áo ngũ than and áo dài never revealed any button like qipao does? Also the "high slit" of aodai is also more similar to áo tứ thân than to qipao.

I feel that in Manchu dresses, they create a low slit at around the knee just to make walking easy, not to make the dress "flow".



The high slits of aodai (which it inherited from áo ngũ thân and áo tứ thân) are there to make the dress "flow".





This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Mar 21 2011, 02:16 AM

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Lord Nguyen decreed that "women dresses had to sewn together", speaking in Vietnamese, áo yếm and áo ngoài phải mai chặt với nhau, so the inner shirt doesn't show.

Which Nguyen Lord was that?

Here is something interesting.

We went from this:



To this:



To this:

[XigonCongchua]

Which Nguyen Lord was that?

Here is something interesting.

We went from this:

That's one of the "earlier" kings of the Nguyễn dynasty right?

That shows the Nguyễn didn't really change their clothes to "Qing clothes" because if they did, you wouldn't see that picture.

Look at the picture of King Ming Mạng, he still wore "Hanfu-like" clothes. And this was in the 1830s


Under Thiệu Trị's reign (1841-1847)


The last pictures you show were late Nguyễn dynasty, when "áo dài" had already been revolutionized into its modern form.

This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Mar 21 2011, 02:48 AM

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That's one of the "earlier" kings of the Nguyễn dynasty right?

That shows the Nguyễn didn't really change their clothes to "Qing clothes" because if they did, you wouldn't see that picture.

Look at the picture of King Ming Mạng, he still wore "Hanfu-like" clothes. And this was in the 1830s


Under Thiệu Trị's reign (1841-1847)


The last pictures you show were late Nguyễn dynasty, when "áo dài" had already been revolutionized into its modern form.

It's too coincidental to have the collar like that.

The picture of Minh Mang is similar to Qing dynasty clothing. Just because the clothing is loose doesn't mean
it's Hanfu. It's the collar area I'm focusing on.

The second picture is different I know. I seen that before but that clothing was reserved for Nho Si people only
everyone else had to change to the Qing influenced clothing which was altered to Vietnamese tastes.

[XigonCongchua]

It's too coincidental to have the collar like that.

The picture of Minh Mang is similar to Qing dynasty clothing. Just because the clothing is loose doesn't mean
it's Hanfu. It's the collar area I'm focusing on.

The second picture is different I know. I seen that before but that clothing was reserved for Nho Si people only
everyone else had to change to the Qing influenced clothing which was altered to Vietnamese tastes.

Of course the collar was an influence from the Manchu. But other aspects were derived from earlier clothes.

And do you know what clothes for Manchu kings looked like?



Notice the sleeves (as well as the collar maybe)

These Nguyen clothes are obviously closer to Hanfu



Compare those clothes to the one in Nguyễn Trãi portrait (from early Lê dynasty - 1400s)