Ancient Artifacts, Ancient Paintings & More Options

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Taken from Lichsuvn.info

khiên này có trong sách Mỹ thuật việt Nam-TRANH CO VIET NAM (ANCIENT AND TRADITIONAL PAINTINGS OF VIETNAM), pages 68-69.
("Triumphal return of the military mandarin -- At the end of the 18th century (Doc Loi - Quynh - Nghe An)"
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14105&stc=1
Notice how different we dressed before 19th century.

khiên hình thuỗn dài có hoa văn rồng thời Lý
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14030&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14032&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14033&stc=1

ngoài ra còn có cái làm bằng mây, rất đẹp
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14102&stc=1

có cả khiên tròn cũng cực tinh xảo, trưng bàyđấu giá bở nhà Southeby Newyork
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14075&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14074&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14073&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14072&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1

This post has been edited by thumbsUp: Jul 3 2011, 03:34 AM

[XigonCongchua]

Pardon me but I would highly disagree if you call these Qing clothes just because of something that look remotely like the Manchu collars to you.


Not any sign of collar originate from the Manchu and furthermore, the "collars" you see in that picture are more like from inner shirt




Not like the Manchu collar which is from outer shirt





This post has been edited by XigonCongchua: Mar 21 2011, 04:30 AM

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Pardon me but I would highly disagree if you call these Qing clothes just because of something that look remotely like the Manchu collars to you.


Not like the Manchu collar which is from outer shirt

I guess you can't see what I'm seeing about the collar.

@DOUBLEMINT
Okay now I'm confused.

I didn't know Ming had that collar style. I thought it was a Machurian influence.


Hmm. It looks like she's wearing an Ao Dai with Ao Menh Phu jacket.
Got any more pictures?



This post has been edited by thumbsUp: Mar 21 2011, 04:33 AM

[DOUBLEMINT]

I guess you can't see what I'm seeing about the collar.

@DOUBLEMINT
Okay now I'm confused.

I didn't know Ming had that collar style. I thought it was a Machurian influence.

Hmm. It looks like she's wearing an Ao Dai with Ao Menh Phu jacket.
Got any more pictures?

As I said,manchurians didnt have collar at first.

Ming clothing






This post has been edited by DOUBLEMINT: Mar 21 2011, 05:06 AM

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As I said,manchurians didnt have collar at first.

Ming clothing

Yeah.. Ming style seems similar to Ao Dai.

Is it possible for you to get a full body photo? One that shows
the slits on the shirt, and show whether or not pants or skirts were worn?

BTW, what exactly does this say?
越南
主條目：越服


1714年日本出版的《世界人物圖卷》中的越南婦女及小孩。
越南古稱交趾（中國稱作「安南」），西元968年，丁部領建立丁朝（大瞿越國），開始成為獨立的封建王朝，兩年後（970年）自稱皇帝。在服飾上，尤其是宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣的朝服，幾乎就是中國漢族王朝宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣朝服的翻版，試以越南末代皇帝保大所着之弁冠、兗服來看，與明朝宗藩服飾如出一轍，不過比之明朝皇帝，其造型顯得小一號而已。以漢族帝王的正式禮服——冕旒袞服為例，明代皇帝的冕旒是十二旒的，越南是六旒的。 滿清入主中原後的兩百多年間，與中國南疆山水相連的越南，仍然較完好的保存著明式衣冠，從十九世紀末二十世紀初法國殖民者在越南存留下來的許多珍貴照片和大量的歷史資料可以明確的反映出這一點，有一個典型的例子就是，1898年駐雲南府（今昆明）的法國領事方蘇雅（Auguste François，1857年8月20日—1935年7月4日）所着龍袍的照片，被許多人誤認為是中國皇帝的龍袍或者中國戲曲中的裝束，實際上，方蘇雅所著之服，乃是越南皇帝的朝服，從造型看，和明代宗藩、大臣的朝服一般無二。

I tried google translating but I couldn't understand it fully.

[DOUBLEMINT]

Yeah.. Ming style seems similar to Ao Dai.

Is it possible for you to get a full body photo? One that shows
the slits on the shirt, and show whether or not pants or skirts were worn?

BTW, what exactly does this say?
越南
主條目：越服


1714年日本出版的《世界人物圖卷》中的越南婦女及小孩。
越南古稱交趾（中國稱作「安南」），西元968年，丁部領建立丁朝（大瞿越國），開始成為獨立的封建王朝，兩年後（970年）自稱皇帝。在服飾上，尤其是宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣的朝服，幾乎就是中國漢族王朝宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣朝服的翻版，試以越南末代皇帝保大所着之弁冠、兗服來看，與明朝宗藩服飾如出一轍，不過比之明朝皇帝，其造型顯得小一號而已。以漢族帝王的正式禮服——冕旒袞服為例，明代皇帝的冕旒是十二旒的，越南是六旒的。 滿清入主中原後的兩百多年間，與中國南疆山水相連的越南，仍然較完好的保存著明式衣冠，從十九世紀末二十世紀初法國殖民者在越南存留下來的許多珍貴照片和大量的歷史資料可以明確的反映出這一點，有一個典型的例子就是，1898年駐雲南府（今昆明）的法國領事方蘇雅（Auguste François，1857年8月20日—1935年7月4日）所着龍袍的照片，被許多人誤認為是中國皇帝的龍袍或者中國戲曲中的裝束，實際上，方蘇雅所著之服，乃是越南皇帝的朝服，從造型看，和明代宗藩、大臣的朝服一般無二。

I tried google translating but I couldn't understand it fully.

What is this Ao Menh Phu jacket you guys keep talking about?Is it only worn by the upper-class?








1714年日本出版的《世界人物圖卷》中的越南婦女及小孩。
越南古稱交趾（中國稱作「安南」），西元968年，丁部領建立丁朝（大瞿越國），開始成為獨立的封建王朝，兩年後（970年）自稱皇帝。在服飾上，尤其是宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣的朝服，幾乎就是中國漢族王朝宮廷禮服，皇帝、大臣朝服的翻版，試以越南末代皇帝保大所着之弁冠、兗服來看，與明朝宗藩服飾如出一轍，不過比之明朝皇帝，其造型顯得小一號而已。以漢族帝王的正式禮服——冕旒袞服為例，明代皇帝的冕旒是十二旒的，越南是六旒的。 滿清入主中原後的兩百多年間，與中國南疆山水相連的越南，仍然較完好的保存著明式衣冠，從十九世紀末二十世紀初法國殖民者在越南存留下來的許多珍貴照片和大量的歷史資料可以明確的反映出這一點，有一個典型的例子就是，1898年駐雲南府（今昆明）的法國領事方蘇雅（Auguste François，1857年8月20日—1935年7月4日）所着龍袍的照片，被許多人誤認為是中國皇帝的龍袍或者中國戲曲中的裝束，實際上，方蘇雅所著之服，乃是越南皇帝的朝服，從造型看，和明代宗藩、大臣的朝服一般無二。
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Basically,it says that vietnam court dress well perseved the Ming court dress style,only smaller.Such as in this pic,do you see the things hanging on his hat?Its called "Liu".Vietnam king has 6 while chinese emperor has 12.


This post has been edited by DOUBLEMINT: Mar 21 2011, 06:39 AM