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post Mar 20 2011, 03:05 AM
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Taken from Lichsuvn.info

khiên này có trong sách Mỹ thuật việt Nam-TRANH CO VIET NAM (ANCIENT AND TRADITIONAL PAINTINGS OF VIETNAM), pages 68-69.
("Triumphal return of the military mandarin -- At the end of the 18th century (Doc Loi - Quynh - Nghe An)"
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14105&stc=1
Notice how different we dressed before 19th century.

khiên h́nh thuỗn dài có hoa văn rồng thời Lư
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14030&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14032&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14033&stc=1

ngoài ra c̣n có cái làm bằng mây, rất đẹp
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14102&stc=1

có cả khiên tṛn cũng cực tinh xảo, trưng bàyđấu giá bở nhà Southeby Newyork
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14075&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14074&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14073&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14072&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.p...14076&stc=1

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Áo Mệnh Phụ is basically a shirt with a long flowing outer jacket that women in wealthy/elite families wore. It doesn't have any definite shape.

Mệnh Phụ = 命婦

Áo Mệnh Phụ obviously changed from dynasty to dynasty and the áo mệnh phụ that Vietnamese know today is from the Nguyen dynasty.

However, not any outer shirt can be called áo mệnh phụ. It has to be long, flowy, often with intricate embroideries, basically it has to signify something different from the common class.

These dresses wouldn't be called "áo mệnh phụ" because they're too short and quite "ordinary"






But this one can because it least it seems long and flowy to me


These are áo mệnh phụ of the Nguyen dynasty





Of course you can see the "modern áo dài" with Mandarin collar inside because these are designed recently

Young Queen Nam Phương (the last queen of Vietnam) in her Áo Mệnh Phụ (notice the collar inside is lower)


Queen Nam Phương in a dress without outter jacket


Áo Mệnh Phụ of Princess Mỹ Lương


Áo Mệnh Phụ of Hoàng Thái Hậu (King's mother)


Royal "áo dài" of princes




Royal áo dài of a queen
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Áo Mệnh Phụ is basically a shirt with a long flowing outer jacket that women in wealthy/elite families wore. It doesn\'t have any definite shape.

Mệnh Phụ = 命婦

Áo Mệnh Phụ obviously changed from dynasty to dynasty and the áo mệnh phụ that Vietnamese know today is from the Nguyen dynasty.

However, not any outer shirt can be called áo mệnh phụ. It has to be long, flowy, often with intricate embroideries, basically it has to signify something different from the common class.


But this one can because it least it seems long and flowy to me


These are áo mệnh phụ of the Nguyen dynasty


Áo Mệnh Phụ of Princess Mỹ Lương

Áo Mệnh Phụ looks very 'vietnamese' to me.AlthoughI do find something very similar in hanfu.Its called "Beizi".

The splits at these dresses are at the waist too,I think.But the fabric makes them look very different from Áo Mệnh Phụ.


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