Ancient Artifacts, Ancient Paintings & More Options

[Sogesu]

Dinh, Early Le, Ly, Tran,Le and Trinh-Nguyen Era, Tay Son, Early Nguyen Dynasty.

About the melee weapons, i can't say for sure, because every dynasty used them... but i think they are used from Dinh to Tay Son Dynasty.

About the Matchlock, its used widely in Le Dynasty and being used until late-XVIII.

As you can see our matchlock looks very unique, they don't look like Chinese matchlock at all, they are much more beautiful.


cute fugly chinese matchlock:
http://pirates.missiledine.com/images/Musk..._matchlocks.jpg

in some old articles, it is said that Dai Viet matchlock can be reloaded much more faster than any other country matchlock, now i think i know why....

Because our matchlock don't need a gunstand like chinese or many western nation like Spanish and Dutch.



To be precise 1428. And maybe its the truth.

those matchlocks were updated year by year and used until XVIII, Tay Son Dynasty is so strong because they don't use matchlock anymore, they use flintlock...

Read A Lịch Sơn Đắc Lộ (alexandre de rhodes) articles about Dai viet in Asia in the Making of Europe (Donald F. Lach and Edwin J. Van Kley) to know how icredible Dai Viet is, after you read that if you have a good mind, you'll realise, perhap, Dai Viet is one of the strongest nation in the world under LE and Trinh-Nguyen Era, That is why, other strong kingdom called Qing never dare to lay eyes on Dai Viet Empire:

http://books.google.com/books?id=M4t8S7Bfg...p;q&f=false


funny facts that is not in the book but in basic Vietnamese history:

Trinh Lord sent his army to save Qing king and help Qing kingdom to eradicated Ming kingdom (actually its just a coincidence, he is on his way to take back Luong Quang - Liang Guang)

I read a research of Singaporean author say about the advance of gunfire technique of DaiViet in 14 -15 century. But I don't remember the source. He said that Chinese invented gun powder but Dai Viet was the first made use matchlock gun far more effective than any other countries at that time. Le King efficiently used it to conquer Champa.

This post has been edited by Sogesu: Jul 4 2011, 05:38 PM

[PTDTCH]

I believe his name is Sun Lai Chen.

It has been pointed out that there were a lot of mistakes in Sun's paper, mostly were his references to Dai Viet official history records. The origin of matchlock in the Orient therefore still is a mystery.

Personally I believe that matchlock, together with many other types of firearms was bought over by the Westerners at the onset of the XVI century.

[ThuongLuong]

well some more pics about Le costume from Phần tử dân tộc cực hữu:









source:
http://lichsuvn.info/forum/showpost.php?p=...p;postcount=280

This post has been edited by ThuongLuong: Jul 27 2011, 10:37 PM

[ThuongLuong]

http://www.binhdinh-salongcuong.org/VN_DIS...e_Hinh-Anh.html

looks like full scale knights armour, no?

This post has been edited by ThuongLuong: Jul 27 2011, 10:48 PM

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[ThuongLuong]

found this from Binh Dinh Sa Long Cuong:


with mask:


looks very interesting. And sad that Vietnamese director can not used them to make their movie better.

something like an immortal army. -sad

This post has been edited by ThuongLuong: Jul 28 2011, 05:27 AM

[PTDTCH]

They dare not. They afraid they will be accused of making Chinese movies.

[thumbsUp]

Westerners can't draw asian faces back then? lol

[KatoreaKitsune]

This is french colonisation era, late 19th, not Nguyen or Tay son Era in early 19th.



And the helmet that soldier is wearing is "non la"

This image is in early 19th , not the colonisation era




, and the uniform is not Khai Dinh sh!t its totally different, don't compare this to khai dinh and colonisation sh!t.

And the helmet that soldier is wearing is "non may".

They are different in many ways, don't tried to compare since we don't really know much about our costume before Khai Dinh era.

This post has been edited by KatoreaKitsune: Sep 12 2011, 03:18 AM

[KatoreaKitsune]

You can see his clothes similar to this (17th century), instead:


This post has been edited by KatoreaKitsune: Sep 12 2011, 03:29 AM

[thumbsUp]

, and the uniform is not Khai Dinh sh!t its totally different, don't compare this to khai dinh and colonisation sh!t.

And the helmet that soldier is wearing is "non may".

They are different in many ways, don't tried to compare since we don't really know much about our costume before Khai Dinh era.

Take a chill pill.

I wasn't comparing.

All I said was

Westerners can't draw asian faces back then? lol

I see the differences but thanks for clarifying the time period though.

[KatoreaKitsune]

This is asian...



But in Arab...