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Vietnam: East Asian country or Southeast Asian?
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post Dec 11 2003, 05:01 PM
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I think geographically, Vietnam is a south east asia country.

But other than that, culturally and other stuff, Vietnam fits into east asian country.

What do you think?
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post Dec 11 2003, 05:16 PM
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i think we dont kare...or get the dam...icon_smile.gif
vietnam is SE asia...
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post Dec 14 2003, 12:18 AM
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Vietnam is a south east asian country.
politically, it's SE
racially, they're mixed with east asians and natives. the majority of them are un-mongoloid(east asians)
culturally, Indo-China as the name implies, it's influnced by both India and China. Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia are proto-Indian, Vietnam is more influenced by China.
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post Dec 14 2003, 12:31 AM
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Vietnam is a Southeast Asian nation who's been greatly influenced by China (East Asia). Just because a nation is deeply influenced by another doesn't mean it belongs to the same region :-). The United States is deeply Euro-centric but it doesn't make the U.S. an European nation :-)
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post Dec 15 2003, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (Kulong @ Dec 14 2003, 01:31 AM)
Vietnam is a Southeast Asian nation who's been greatly influenced by China (East Asia). Just because a nation is deeply influenced by another doesn't mean it belongs to the same region :-). The United States is deeply Euro-centric but it doesn't make the U.S. an European nation :-)

I agree with you!!! Yeah doesn't mean a country is influenced by another doesn't mean they belong to the same region................No doubt Vietnam belongs to Southeastasia!!!
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post Dec 26 2003, 09:52 PM
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Southeast Asian Country!
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post Dec 27 2003, 03:16 AM
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Just so you all know, Vietnam is part of ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations).
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post Dec 27 2003, 04:37 AM
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racially, they're mixed with east asians and natives. the majority of them are un-mongoloid(east asians)


it is disturbing that people still don't know what they are saying-- Racially? i think ethinically is the word you are looking for. Racial implies the difference among asian, black, white, hispanic, and indians. Ethincity refers to the differences among groups such as german, jews, english, etc. in a racial line. And if east asians are "un-mongoloid," then they are also aliens from outer space.


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Vietnam is a Southeast Asian nation who's been greatly influenced by China (East Asia). Just because a nation is deeply influenced by another doesn't mean it belongs to the same region :-). The United States is deeply Euro-centric but it doesn't make the U.S. an European nation :-)


I careless if Vietnam is a Middle Eastern Country. As long it has its own identity as a nation then that's all it should matter. it's better to be recognized than to lump with the term "East Asian." When one of my friend told some white dude he came from Korea, the white guy replied, "what part of China?" Hence, for you to switch from China to East Asia by having a parenthesis is no different. besides, which country doesn't get "greately influenced by China"? No doubt that U.S is not a European Nation and so is Canada, but have you heard of NATO? The fact is of the matter is you can't argue which country is which base on the Names they belong to.
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post Dec 27 2003, 09:15 PM
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I careless if Vietnam is a Middle Eastern Country. As long it has its own identity as a nation then that's all it should matter.


Read the title of the topic. If you don't care whether Vietnam is a Southeast nation or not then why are you here?

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it's better to be recognized than to lump with the term "East Asian".


But Vietnam is not even East Asian, it's Southeast Asian.

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When one of my friend told some white dude he came from Korea, the white guy replied, "what part of China?" Hence, for you to switch from China to East Asia by having a parenthesis is no different.


Most Caucasians I've met are educated and knowledgeable enough to at least tell the difference between China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam. I can't say the same about your friend.

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besides, which country doesn't get "greately influenced by China"?


Many. Just in Asia alone, India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos... etc. The only three existing nations today that was GREATLY influenced by China are Japan, Korea, and Vietnam.

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No doubt that U.S is not a European Nation and so is Canada, but have you heard of NATO? The fact is of the matter is you can't argue which country is which base on the Names they belong to.


We're not talking about the people or culture of a nation. We're talking about the geographical location. Vietnam is definitely located in Southeast Asia.
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post Dec 27 2003, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (therra @ Dec 27 2003, 05:37 AM)
it is disturbing that people still don't know what they are saying-- Racially? i think ethinically is the word you are looking for. Racial implies the difference among asian, black, white, hispanic, and indians. Ethincity refers to the differences among groups such as german, jews, english, etc. in a racial line. And if east asians are "un-mongoloid," then they are also aliens from outer space.

"ethinically" is not a word.
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post Dec 27 2003, 11:53 PM
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I think he meant ethnically.
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post Dec 30 2003, 03:00 AM
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So we all agree that Vietnam is a Southeast Asian country then?
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post Jan 1 2004, 04:41 AM
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Agree long time ago....
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post Jan 1 2004, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Jan 1 2004, 04:41 AM)
Agree long time ago....

Good.
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post Jan 6 2004, 01:42 AM
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Do you guys know the history of vietnam? how the vietnamese ethnicity gained the land they live on today? The Vietnamese ethnicity stole the land. They were invaders from the North.. Who owned the land before the viets? Chams, a malay people who lived in the central Vietnamese coastal region.. that is their ancestral land. And they continue to survive today as an ethnic minority in their own ancestral land and they also migrated elsewhere to places like hainan which they did along time ago when their kingdom was being ransacked by viets and others migrated to cambodia. They even had their own Kingdom called the Kingdom of Champa..but it eventually collasped because of repeated attacks from its neigboring kingdoms of cambodia and the viets who wanted to rise to power. the chams originally practiced a hindu-austronesian culture and built many temples and structures that can be seen today in vietnam. But today they are mostly converted to islam.

Who owned South vietnam? Cambodians. They called that land Kampuchea Krom or Cambodia below. This land was given to the Vietnamese ethncity by the French.

Im not sure but i think the vietnamese were originally from china. or part of what is now North Vietnam. But they struggled for independence and formed their own nation. and eventually migrated south and conquered the kingdom of champa and gained possesion of Khmer Krom, that i know for sure.

The aqqusition of Champa land happened a while back but i think the aqqusition of khmer krom happened more recently.. but i dont really know much about khmer krom. only about The Champa because they are my austronesian/malay brother. One of the Malay Kingdoms of the World.

check this site out, its a Cham online community, it basically has the same layout as this site:

HTTP://WWW.CHAMYOUTH.COM

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post Jan 11 2004, 05:53 PM
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Vietnam is BOTH. it can be grouped either way. Who says it can only be in one group? and besides it depends on what your talking about.

As a country and nation it is Southeast asian. Definetly, because well... its located in Southeast Asia duh. and its part of ASEAN!! cool30.gif

If you are talking about culture than it is grouped as East Asian. Vietnam is the only country in southeast asia that is Confucious, uses chopsticks traditionally, practices Mahayana buddhism instead of Therevada, have east asian architecture etc etc etc.... so it wouldnt make sense to say its southeast asian. i think because of this Vietnam has had a lot of conflicts with other countries like thailand cambodia in the past. kind of a cultural clash. and vietnam is considered to be part of the East asian cultural family along with japan, korea, china, taiwan and singapore.

Anyways. heres another example: Egypt is an African country because it is located in Africa. But most of the time, because of its culture, it is associated with the middle east/west asian/arab countries.

so yeah vietnam is both.

And yes Vietnam's southern lands were conquered territories which practiced different cultures but were over run by Vietnamese eastern influence.
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post Jan 15 2004, 11:31 PM
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Singapore is considered an East Asian nation culturally?

Although Chinese seems to be the dominate ethnic in Singapore, there are many other ethnics including Indians and Arabs.
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post Jan 16 2004, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (malay_ako @ Jan 6 2004, 02:42 AM)
Who owned South vietnam? Cambodians. They called that land Kampuchea Krom or Cambodia below. This land was given to the Vietnamese ethncity by the French.

Im not sure but i think the vietnamese were originally from china. or part of what is now North Vietnam. But they struggled for independence and formed their own nation. and eventually migrated south and conquered the kingdom of champa and gained possesion of Khmer Krom, that i know for sure.


HTTP://WWW.CHAMYOUTH.COM

not really,the land was occupied before the french officially colonize it... That's why Nguyen lords told the Ming supporters (after got defeated by Manchu) to settle of the land.
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post Jan 16 2004, 01:42 PM
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Throughout history, the powerful expands while the weak either perish or move away from their native land. It's a fact and it includes every race on this planet.
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post Jan 23 2004, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jan 16 2004, 02:38 PM)
QUOTE (malay_ako @ Jan 6 2004, 02:42 AM)

Who owned South vietnam? Cambodians. They called that land Kampuchea Krom or Cambodia below. This land was given to the Vietnamese ethncity by the French.

Im not sure but i think the vietnamese were originally from china. or part of what is now North Vietnam. But they struggled for independence and formed their own nation. and eventually migrated south and conquered the kingdom of champa and gained possesion of Khmer Krom, that i know for sure.


HTTP://WWW.CHAMYOUTH.COM

not really,the land was occupied before the french officially colonize it... That's why Nguyen lords told the Ming supporters (after got defeated by Manchu) to settle of the land.

Well before the French came the Khmer Empire did own it, in fact it all of southeast Asia.
The the Tai(Thai) and ananam(can't spell)-Viets came from southern China around the 1200s C.E. and Vietnamese was a little later.
I am part Khmer-Krom and my ancestors live in current south vietnam a lot longer the the Vietnamese. in frenchhttp://www.kh.refer.org/cbodg_ct/archive/chandy/images/empire.gif
http://alpha.montclair.edu/~lebelp/KhmerEmpire.jpg
http://www.angkorvat.com/map/PlempireK1.jpg
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