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[SkyBurial]

Have you guys ever question why countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, US are going for multiculturalism?
They're doing this to weaken land/title claims from natives, and to hide their past atrocities made to natives as well.
Within this century, Australia, Brazil, Canada and U.S will completely become multicultural and virtually no natives will be able to claim their lands/culture/history back.

That's true. Although, before these countries became a nation, they were multicultural already. The ruling majority, i.e. white people had no choice but make these countries multinational because these countries were found as such.

[charizardpal]

Have you guys ever question why countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, US are going for multiculturalism?
They're doing this to weaken land/title claims from natives, and to hide their past atrocities made to natives as well.
Within this century, Australia, Brazil, Canada and U.S will completely become multicultural and virtually no natives will be able to claim their lands/culture/history back.

WHAAAAAAAAA...... There are so few natives in those countries (except Brazil) to take much of anything back. Of the ones you mentioned, Australia and Brazil need to do the most work though. Its more justified in Brazil due to logistical problems in the Amazon; Australia has less of an excuse. There's a lot of places where Brazil just ignores the tribes in the rain forest, who fend for themselves and do whatever they want.

This post has been edited by charizardpal: Apr 15 2011, 10:31 PM

[windsurfer]

Have you guys ever question why countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, US are going for multiculturalism?
They're doing this to weaken land/title claims from natives, and to hide their past atrocities made to natives as well.
Within this century, Australia, Brazil, Canada and U.S will completely become multicultural and virtually no natives will be able to claim their lands/culture/history back.

Interesting thoughts indeed! But all of the indigenous people are economically underpriviledged or politcally insignificant. How can they win their claims in legal systems controlled from head to toe by those "people" ?

[charizardpal]

In many places they already have won their claims though. Maybe because there are no unifed group of "people" singular ruling the governments--only individuals who form groups and you can reason with those individuals.

[Henry123]

First of all, China is crowded and the housing price is skyrocketing, so it is pointless to allow immigrants in adding more oil to the fire right?

Thats not my point of what I was discussing with Gideon.
What if China wasnt crowded.



Heres the thread:
Gideon: If she isn't willing to date a chinese man, then she doesn't truly "like" chinese culture in my opinion.

Me: Would you say the same thing for Asians living in predominatly white countries???

Gideon: ... So I would not say the same thing for Asians living in a white country because they didn't move there because they "love the culture". Asians who move to white countries move to achieve a better life because opportunities are easier to find/achieve.

Me: ... What about non Asians moving to China for better life and opportunities?
Or Chinese populations in Indonesia and Malaysia who dont want to assimilate into the cultures there?
Your thoughts?

Gideon: (no response)

This post has been edited by Henry123: Apr 15 2011, 11:25 PM

[KochiGachi]

Interesting thoughts indeed! But all of the indigenous people are economically underpriviledged or politcally insignificant. How can they win their claims in legal systems controlled from head to toe by those "people" ?

There's few individuals and group of natives trying to claim back their land/culture.
Good example is New Zealand's Maori's land claim court case.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/05/world/ne...and-claims.html

Australia's Mabo land claim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Mabo

I believe even Canadian natives tried similar claims on their ancestral lands.

[windsurfer]

There's few individuals and group of natives trying to claim back their land/culture.
Good example is New Zealand's Maori's land claim court case.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/05/world/ne...and-claims.html

Australia's Mabo land claim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Mabo

I believe even Canadian natives tried similar claims on their ancestral lands.

Thanks for you input!

[InitialDJay]

She told CCTV during an interview; “You know, people normally associate Africa with wild life and the safaris. But the true essence of Africa that I’d like to stress first and foremost is the people. Unfortunately, through the one-dimensional lens of the media, we the people have been relegated to the background of the wild life spectacle.

this is like she's talking to me. lol

in regard to multiculturalism in china, it already exists. but the proper word that will never work in china is multiracial culturalism. not in my lifetime, and i just don't see that in any forseeable future.

[Henry123]

The thing is, nations such as Australia, Canada, and the US are not "origin countries". They were lands stolen from the natives, hence the very core foundation of these nations are of multi racialism. Other places are not founded as a multinational country. China is a country for Chinese, Korea is a country for Koreans, and so on. Yes, one would argue that "wait, but don't these countries have minority groups as well?" Well, most of the people there are already close genetically or appearance wise. What's more is that the concept of a nation is a relatively new concept history-wise. If a group wasn't there before the founding of a nation, they would always be outsiders. Imagine if China starts having white or black politicians within its government. The idea is simply inconceivable. They are raised with a different viewpoint. Furthermore, race would always influence you no matter how you were raised. If China starts becoming multi national, then it would no longer be China for the Chinese but China for every race under the sun.

I highly doubt China will be multicultural in that sense.
There may be some immigrations but on a very small scale.

[faydabakery]

I had this discussion on Chinadaily forum, you can go read it over there. (Multiculturalism has failed, says...says French president/UK Prime Minister/German Chancellor http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.ph...extra=page%3D1) (New German minister: Islam does not belong in Germany http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.ph...extra=page%3D1)

That thread was insanely long. lol. It went from Islamophobia to China, somehow the Saudis and the US got involved and then to woman's rights somehow. And in between all that were trolls and flaming. In any case, multiculturalism, imo, works but it takes a lot of time and effort. You can't change the minds of people overnight or in one generation of people. Terrorism complicates things a great deal but isn't a deal breaker. There are always underlying causes and factors that can be dealt with involving terrorism. Anyway, this is getting way off topic. lol.

I highly doubt China will be multicultural in that sense.
There may be some immigrations but on a very small scale.

I agree.

[ReginaRae]

About her supposedly not wanting to date Chinese men even though she lives in China, I can relate to her. Personally, I really like France. I love French food, I love the fashion, I think the language is interesting and pretty, and I just simply love the overall atmosphere of France and French life. However, I would probably never date a French guy. I would move to France in a heartbeat and live there for the rest of my life, but I just simply have no desire to date French guys. I don't think this makes my love of France any less real. Just for myself and possibly the African woman, dating and love interests are different from the culture itself. Because for me, there really is no attraction.

[SkyBurial]

^If you choose not to date someone just because they're French rather than what kind of person they are, well, that's rather shallow IMO. Of course I'm not saying that you should chase after the local people there, just that you shouldn't automatically rule out someone because of his/her race/ethnicity/etc. However, because you're a stranger on the internet, I can't really judge you.

I'll just say what is on everyone's mind though. Foreign perception of Chinese men is not flattering. Until China fully modernizes, this view probably won't change much.

This post has been edited by SkyBurial: Apr 16 2011, 12:44 PM

[Suijen]

She doesn't date Chinese guys isn't surprising considering how many Chinese guys would probably give her the cold shoulder.

[faydabakery]

^If you choose not to date someone just because they're French rather than what kind of person they are, well, that's rather shallow IMO. Of course I'm not saying that you should chase after the local people there, just that you shouldn't automatically rule out someone because of his/her race/ethnicity/etc. However, because you're a stranger on the internet, I can't really judge you.

I'll just say what is on everyone's mind though. Foreign perception of Chinese men is not flattering. Until China fully modernizes, this view probably won't change much.

If the attraction is not there, it's not there. I know Chinese guys that have dated non Chinese and non Asian too. It all depends on the person. Many other Chinese men don't have the courage or self esteem to go up to non Asians and try to date. Then I know some Chinese women who keep meeting the wrong type of Chinese guys and don't want to date them again. It's not because they're racist to their own people. It's because of their experiences. There are just too many factors to base her preference or anyone's preference on racism.

Modernizing China doesn't help foreign perception of Chinese men. How Chinese interact with other races and ethnicities changes their perception. Bruce Lee married a white American woman. Anything's possible if you know how to talk to women.

[SkyBurial]

If the attraction is not there, it's not there. I know Chinese guys that have dated non Chinese and non Asian too. It all depends on the person. Many other Chinese men don't have the courage or self esteem to go up to non Asians and try to date. Then I know some Chinese women who keep meeting the wrong type of Chinese guys and don't want to date them again. It's not because they're racist to their own people. It's because of their experiences. There are just too many factors to base her preference or anyone's preference on racism.

Modernizing China doesn't help foreign perception of Chinese men. How Chinese interact with other races and ethnicities changes their perception. Bruce Lee married a white American woman. Anything's possible if you know how to talk to women.

Except that is not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that if you happen to date based on race, well yeah, I think that is shallow. Are you saying that you can generalize about 670 million Chinese men? There was also no mention of Chinese women, so don't steer this into that direction.

Perhaps I should clarify on that. Just that when a nation is more modernized, the living standard is usually raised. Therefore, people will have more wealth, different attitudes, and so on. So it isn't a direct influence but there is an influence nevertheless.

This post has been edited by SkyBurial: Apr 17 2011, 05:05 PM

[faydabakery]

Except that is not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that if you happen to date based on race, well yeah, I think that is shallow. There was also no mention of Chinese women, so don't steer this into that direction.

Perhaps I should clarify on that. Just that when a nation is more modernized, the living standard is usually raised. Therefore, people will have more wealth, different attitudes, and so on. So it isn't a direct influence but there is an influence nevertheless.

I get what you're saying. I agree with your shallowness comment. I brought women into it because this is a dating matter. I was trying to give multiple examples of different ethnicities. I find however, that people's experiences also often dictate their views on a race. I understand how hard it is to not be so negative however I think there should be more effort taken into not being so general.

Interesting point about being modernized. I still think it's personal preference due to experiences.. how a person is parented, their friends, as you stated - their wealth, etc. At least from personal experience, I find racists and non racists in both modern and less modern cultures.

[bear11]

Brazil has smart people! One of the smartest girls in my geography class back in primary school came from Brazil, an A-student with dark skin from Rio de Janeiro.

that's great little story, but anecdotal evidence means nothing. See this PISA results, Brazilians are not that smart on average.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/doc...6_20101207.html

[windsurfer]

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