WHO WERE THE SHANG?, EXACTLY WHAT WERE THEIR RACE? Options

[thekyuke]

Hi! Last year I began researching the origins of Japanese language after noticing many E.A Bantu parallels. I continued googling in my spare time and found out there is ACTUALLY quite a bit of evidence indicating Africoid presence throughout Asia since prehistoric times.
From India/Pakistan,the Andamanans, Cambodia,Thailand,the Philippines,Vietnam,Burma they were present in varying numbers occasionally even dominating and in S. China they were known as Black Dwarfs,Haio, ho-Nhi,Ti-Hao. They existed in Taiwan until a 100 years ago where they are still commemorated in the feats of little people.

Drinking, singing and dancing are expected to take place deep in the mountains of Miaoli and Hsinchu when the "Ritual of the Little Black People" (矮靈祭) is performed by the Saisiyat tribe once again this weekend.

For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe (賽夏族) has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.

In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.

Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archi...1/27/2003212815

According to Prof. Shun-sheng Ling, the earliest documented rulership of China known as the Xia and Shang dynasties, were ruled by emperors called Xuan Di, Black Emperors who introduced farming and writing to China, and under their leadership, trade cities and travel developed. Blacks in China were raising silkworms to make silk not later than 3500 BC.

The fundamental structures of a stylish calligraphy which is still present today was perfected by the Chinese under this Black dynasty, but in addition to writing, the Blacks of the Xia and Shang dynasties introduced bronze working to China and also invented the pounded earth architecture associated with early Chinese city-states.

Black Chinese 3 Furthermore, archaeology and forensic tests confirm that China’s first two important dynasties, the Xia and the Shang/ Chang, were Black African, with an Australoid known as Madras Indian or Chamar in Trinidad present in small percentages.

http://members.fortunecity.com/jrmoore1959/africapart16.html
One of the most eminent anthropologists K C Chang said that the Dawenkou culture,considered to be a precursor culture was largely African:K.C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76)

Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch’ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases

He goes on to state that the Shang ruled S. China before the mongoloid Han.
The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes spread out from the North to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization.

Many researchers believe that the Yi of Southern China were the ancestors of the Austronesian, Polynesian and Melanesian people.

In the Chinese literature the Blacks were called li-min, Kunlung, Ch’iang (Qiang), Yi and Yueh. The founders of the Xia Dynasty and the Shang Dynasties were blacks. These blacks were called Yueh and Qiang. The modern Chinese are descendants of the Zhou. The second Shang Dynasty (situated at Anyang) was founded by the Yin. As a result this dynasty is called Shang-Yin.
The Yin or Classical/Oceanic Mongoloid type is associated with the Austronesian speakers ( Kwang-chih Chang, “Prehistoric and early historic culture horizons and traditions in South China”, Current Anthropology, 5 (1964) pp.359-375 :375).
Is all this actually true?

[thekyuke]

WHAT!? 78 views and no reply-what gives? Anyway here's an excerpt from PROF. Wei CHU-hSIEN A SEARCH FOR THE REMAINS OF PREHISTORIC CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH-EASTERN CHINA:

III. ANCESTORS OF YIN TRIBE WERE BLACK.
There are two symbols in the script on the " shell and bone " (Figure
i, a and b), which the Yin tribe worshipped as their ancestors. In some
of our old books, one of these symbols was translated as |»f;.
Later on, we find two books Shih Tze (P^f-) and Huai Nan Tze
both of which explained that the character $j; meant a blackskinned
person. Shih Tze was written in the 3rd century B.C., and Huai
Nan Tze in the 2nd century B.C. Also, in the Book of Odes (Up®),
there is a poem named Ch'ang Fa (m^); it says that the ist ancestor
of Yin Dynasty was a "Black King" (;£;£)• The colours of human
The Hong Kong Naturalist,

Someone,anyone feel free to help me out on this question.

[samnang]

[Mid-Night_Sun]

WHAT!? 78 views and no reply-what gives? Anyway here's an excerpt from PROF. Wei CHU-hSIEN A SEARCH FOR THE REMAINS OF PREHISTORIC CIVILIZATION IN SOUTH-EASTERN CHINA:

Someone,anyone feel free to help me out on this question.

because i already alerted everyone here to this garbage.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...258902&st=0


by posting what Chinese thought of taiwanese aboriginals you just contradicted your own claims. its very clear from the description Chinese were not remotely similar to them.

"xuandi"

"契Xie, he had the title of 玄王Xuanwang or 黑帝Heidi. But this is in relation to him as the hegemonic ruler over the tribes of northern China then, and the Shang having the totem pattern of a 玄燕black swallow, the black here isn't about Africans, but swallows common to the north. This "玄black" is ultimately related to a number of cognates which have connotations of "northern" and "black": 幽you, 幺yao, 玄xuan, 黑hei, 黝you"

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...ople-come-from/



once again, learn Chinese because what you afrocentrists keep claiming Chinese characters means this and that and keep getting it wrong like a bunch of idiots.

second, hurry up with those historical texts you keep referring to but can never post quotes and source.




even if we entertained the idea Xia/Shang were black. it is only 2000bc. where did all your blacks go and why have mongoloid Chinese or w/e replaced the ENTIRE area? were the blacks all slaughtered? after 2000bc? such an incident would have been recorded. all the blacks just died out on their own? how?

did all your blacks magically morph into han chinese? in the span of like 1000 years?

you dont need to be a historian to see how ludicrous this is.



This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Apr 17 2011, 08:32 AM

[thekyuke]

because i already alerted everyone here to this garbage.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...258902&st=0


by posting what Chinese thought of taiwanese aboriginals you just contradicted your own claims. its very clear from the description Chinese were not remotely similar to them.

"xuandi"

"契Xie, he had the title of 玄王Xuanwang or 黑帝Heidi. But this is in relation to him as the hegemonic ruler over the tribes of northern China then, and the Shang having the totem pattern of a 玄燕black swallow, the black here isn't about Africans, but swallows common to the north. This "玄black" is ultimately related to a number of cognates which have connotations of "northern" and "black": 幽you, 幺yao, 玄xuan, 黑hei, 黝you"

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...ople-come-from/



once again, learn Chinese because what you afrocentrists keep claiming Chinese characters means this and that and keep getting it wrong like a bunch of idiots.

second, hurry up with those historical texts you keep referring to but can never post quotes and source.




even if we entertained the idea Xia/Shang were black. it is only 2000bc. where did all your blacks go and why have mongoloid Chinese or w/e replaced the ENTIRE area? were the blacks all slaughtered? after 2000bc? such an incident would have been recorded. all the blacks just died out on their own? how?

did all your blacks magically morph into han chinese? in the span of like 1000 years?

you dont need to be a historian to see how ludicrous this is.

Mid_night_sun, I'm directly quoting a Chinese professor who wrote that in 1939 because most of you try to 'explain' his categorical description of black people as black birds,like you just did. Here's the link to the original 1939 translation published by the Hong Kong Naturalist http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3....pdf&e=7207
Its a 9 page pdf.
Tell me smth else- why do you get so worked up by simple questions? Why do you respond with constant contemptuous vituperation? Read the professors' work and if you don't agree-fine just tell me why.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

Mid_night_sun, I'm directly quoting a Chinese professor who wrote that in 1939 because most of you try to 'explain' his categorical description of black people as black birds,like you just did. Here's the link to the original 1939 translation published by the Hong Kong Naturalist http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3....pdf&e=7207
Its a 9 page pdf.
Tell me smth else- why do you get so worked up by simple questions? Why do you respond with constant contemptuous vituperation? Read the professors' work and if you don't agree-fine just tell me why.

for the last time

1. that professor talked about black, white and yellow people as a variation of the SUN. so tell me how in the world you manage to get africans. i can stay out in the sun until i die and i wont magically look african buddy.

"The colours of human beings are black, yellow and white, ,and their difference is due to the heat of sun rays."

2. black birds is a creation myth. they are all over the world in MANY cultures. and WHERE in your ENTIRE document does he even MENTION africans???

3. you realize this is SPECIFICALLY referring to that black king crap right?

black king is explained, please READ

"契Xie, he had the title of 玄王Xuanwang or 黑帝Heidi. But this is in relation to him as the hegemonic ruler over the tribes of northern China then, and the Shang having the totem pattern of a 玄燕black swallow, the black here isn't about Africans, but swallows common to the north. This "玄black" is ultimately related to a number of cognates which have connotations of "northern" and "black": 幽you, 幺yao, 玄xuan, 黑hei, 黝you"




dont talk to me about my attitude ok? im the only one bothering to take you seriously. everyone else is just laughing at you. be grateful for what you get.



ok, it seems those points, as valid as they are, is not enough to stop you from posting this crap again and again.



Xia

Xia people hence was taken as the original Mongoloid ethnic Chinese whose name was carried on for the next 4500 years as 'hua', 'xia' or 'huaxia'. To clarify the nature of Xia people further, I will cite Prof Wei Chu-Hsien's interpretaion of ancient classics "Shi-zi" (approx 338 BC works) in authenticating the ethnicity of Chinese in Xia land against the barbarians in four directions. Both "Shi-zi" and "Shan Hai Jing" stated that there were Guan-xiong-guo in the south, Chang-gu-guo (Chang-gong? long arm) in the west, Shen-mu-guo (deep eye socket) in the north, and eastern and northeaster statelets under Yuhu and Yujing [east-sea and north-sea seagods in the east and northeast per "Shan Hai Jing"].



Shang Dynasty's Totem - Bird

One important thing about the Shang people is their totem, a bird called 'Xuan', interpreted as either swallow or phoenix. (Guo Moruo claimed that 'xuan-niao' was phoenix.) Note that the literal meaning of 'xuan' is black, leading to orion.it.luc.edu/~cwinter/blshang2.htm by Clyde Winters who vehemently advocated the school of thought that Shang Chinese were of Negroid origin. The totem bird's color had nothing to do with race or color of skin/hair. (Wei Chu-hsien did commit a fatal mistake in extrapolating on the tin decipher for the city of Wuxi ["no tin"] and polarized the Xia-Shang dynastic substitution as a fight between Mongoloid [Negroid to be in Wei's apparently blown-away alternative writing] and Caucasoid, i.e., a fallacy that scholar Luo Xianglin opposed.



Chinese Ethnicity

Often misinterpreted would be two words in "Shi Ji": 'Qian Shou' and 'Li Min'. 'Qian Shou' means dark head. 'Qian' would be used as an alias for Guizhou Province in the south, and it means dark or black. 'Li Min' or 'Limin' means the people whose face had turned darkish and became brown. Both terms were used for designating the lower level people. I noticed one or two claims (including Clyde Winters) on the internet saying that the Chinese people being ruled were of Negroid origin and that the 'Li Min' term validated this fact. (Clyde Winters cited a late Chinese scholar called Kwang-chi Chang, i.e. Guangzhi Zhang, in supporting his claim. I read through Zhang's article on early dynasties and noticed only one definite statement in regards to 'dwarfs' or pygmy people who had at one time shown their presence on the Chinese continent.) Clyde Winters claim is fallacious the same way as those who claimed that the rulers of China, Zhou or Qin, were of Caucasoid origin and they ruled the Mongoloid people. I deem both sayings as fallacious.


Then, what was ancient Chinese hair color after all? A dumb question. Today's Chinese are direct descendants of ancient Chinese. To dispell any speculation, I will list the following sentence as a proof that ancient Chinese took pride in hair's density and blackness as beauty and health: In classics "Zuo Zhuan", during the 28th year reign of Lu Lord Zhaogong, a statement was made to infer that in the old times, a You-reng-shi woman bored a beautiful daughter, with 'zhen[3] hei[1]' (i.e., dense and black) hair.


http://www.imperialchina.org/Xia_Shang_Dynasties.html


you afrocentrists are too prone to committing academic fraud. consistently misconstruing real scholarly works and adding your own ridiculous interpretations. makes me sick.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Apr 19 2011, 07:54 AM

[DTT]

1. negrito!=negro. In fact negrito race is more closet to Mongoloid/Caucasoid than to Negroid.
2. Chinese were used to be called "black people" just because chinese like to wear black/dark blue clothes but not because chinese r negroid.

[Titanium]

According to white nationalists, China was originally an Aryan civilization
According to Afrocentrists, they were black
According to Korean/Altaic nationalists, China was civilized by Altaics

At least one of them has got to be wrong LOL

[AsiaticGlory]

According to white nationalists, China was originally an Aryan civilization
According to Afrocentrists, they were black
According to Korean/Altaic nationalists, China was civilized by Altaics

At least one of them has got to be wrong LOL

I wouldn't take anything from Afrocentrics seriously. They are the same people who claim that ancient blacks created a stone spaceship to the moon and that their greatest minds can shoot cancer causing beams from their foreheads. In their minds, every single thing in history came from black people. It is all just a ruse to cover up the fact blacks have done almost nothing for humanity. Even then, the Negritos are genetically different from the African Negroids. I think what really happened was the Chinese Mongoloids migrated south and displaced all the Negritos/Aborigines.

A lot of Eurocentrics are arrogant people who believe only whites are capable of building a civilization and they have a tough time comprehending a non-white civilization. Their claims are that Tocharians founded China and that the Ainu were whites who built Japan. Another proof of their arrogance is something called "White Man's Burden." It is where self-righteous whites believe it is their "duty" to civilize us "non-white savages."

From what I have heard, the Altaic nationalists believe Han Chinese were originally Aborigines who became Asiatic b/c of Altaic expansion. All those Chinese with Asiatic features are apparently "sinicized Altaics". Personally, I really don't see much differences between Chinese and Altaic people other than language. They all look like Oriental Mongoloids to me. In my personal life, Chinese/Vietnamese along with Japanese/Kazakhs have thought I was one of them.

What really discredits the Altaic movement is the fact they think Turkey/Hungary are related to Mongolia/Korea/Japan. Have they ever been to Turkey or Hungary before? Hungarians look identical to white Europeans and Turkey people look like a hybrid of white Europeans and Middle Eastern people.

This post has been edited by AsiaticGlory: Apr 19 2011, 09:25 PM

[samnang]

doesn't it feel kinda flattering to have all these different groups of people tyring to steal your history?

[crabdonut]

doesn't it feel kinda flattering to have all these different groups of people tyring to steal your history?

Sort of. Its kind of like an ugly chick checking you out and you don't know whether to feel flattered or disgusted.

[PeterKChan]

Very few people in China or Asia have the typical Negro haplotype E paternal gene. Same goes for mtDNA. This theory is just some outlandish and wishful thinking by Afrocentric scholars using questionable sources and research.

[kieshin]

pwnd lol

[thekyuke]

Very few people in China or Asia have the typical Negro haplotype E paternal gene. Same goes for mtDNA. This theory is just some outlandish and wishful thinking by Afrocentric scholars using questionable sources and research

Is that so? If you guys had logically refuted my findings without resorting to sarcasm, innuendo and outright insults by simply sticking to sources I'd have accepted I was wrong. You've motivated me to search for evidence of blacks in early China, not just proving who the Shang were. Here it is-it will hit like one of early Tyson's hooks,brace yourselves!

The fur-ther comparison of Neolithic Man with Modern Man in China (including inhabitants of Northern China, Fujian province and Hainan island) is made, also based on the main index values and total prognathism of skull, showing that the development of the physi-cal characteristics of Chinese is a genetic and successive course from Later Paleolithic Man to Modern Man via Neolithic Man. Thus, so-called Negro-Australoid racial traits, such as the narrow and long cranial pattern, heigh vaulted crania, lower orbit, wide nose and some projective prognathism (from the morphological observations), themsel-ves are intrinsic characteristics of Neolithic Man in China, only there is a little diffe-rentia in the degrees of display of these traits among groups.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-RLXB198602001.htm
Categorical proof of blacks in Neolithic China
It appears the Shang practiced skull deformation and teeth removal,African traditions still seen today.

Their racial type is Mongoloid and just as in the case of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou bears a certain resemblance to the Polynesian cranium type.The latter is attri-buted to a sub-division of the Southern Mongoloid.The incidence of cranial deformation among the males of Hsia-hsia-hou is only fiftyper cent as against the nearly one hundred per cent of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou.The cranial defor-mation among the females is one hundred per cent at both sites.The pre-mortem loss ofthe lateral incisors at Hsi-hsia-hou is similar to Ta-w(?)n-k'ou and probably resulted froma ritual practice in initiation rites.The incidence of ablation of teeth at Hsi-hsia-hou isthirty three per cent among the males and sixty seven per cent among the females.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197302007.htm

The skulls from the Ye-dian neolithic site are closer to those of the Ta-wen-kou andShi-hsia-hou sites than to those of the other Chinese sites in non-metric and metricfeatures.The author believed that the inhabitants of the Ye-dian neolithic site belongedto the same racial type as those of the Ta-wen-kou and Shi-hsia-hou sites which hadbeen considered by Yen Yin as morphologically belonging to Polynesian type

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-GJZD198001009.htm
I said it earlier, IDK if it was here that Polynesian is simply an African type as is Melanesian,Austronesian, Eurafrican etc. etc.
Here are examples of African skull deformation,which was practiced by the Shang and their neolithic ancestors.

The binding starts at birth. Its still done;these guys live right in the middle of Africa

‘Lipombo’, the custom of skull elongation, which was a status symbol among the Mangbetu ruling classes at the beginning of the century and was later emulated by neighboring groups, evolved into a common ideal of beauty among the peoples of the northeastern Congo. According to schildkrout and Keim, the tradition survived until the middle of this century, when it was outlawed by the Belgian government.

http://www.kox.sk/?p=12319
Yes,the Mangbetu are descendants of the original Mande,who were among the first Africans who settled all Asia and the M E beginning in Israel , Iran and Turkey before spreading to India, S.E Asia and China.
READ TWICE! Rest,reread then answer. This is heavy stuff and may overwhelm the simple minds predominant in here. The chain of craniofacial and cultural evidence is clear.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

Is that so? If you guys had logically refuted my findings without resorting to sarcasm, innuendo and outright insults by simply sticking to sources I'd have accepted I was wrong. You've motivated me to search for evidence of blacks in early China, not just proving who the Shang were. Here it is-it will hit like one of early Tyson's hooks,brace yourselves!

i dont know what you THINK you proved, but you sure hype it up a lot. and you didnt prove a single thing about Shang, i did.

i wasnt sarcastic. i was very serious when i said you guys make me sick.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-RLXB198602001.htm
Categorical proof of blacks in Neolithic China
It appears the Shang practiced skull deformation and teeth removal,African traditions still seen today.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197302007.htm

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-GJZD198001009.htm
I said it earlier, IDK if it was here that Polynesian is simply an African type as is Melanesian,Austronesian, Eurafrican etc. etc.

proof of blacks? try again.

first link: THE TAXONOMY OF NEOLITHIC MAN AND ITS PHYLOGENETIC RELATIONSHIP TO LATER PALEOLITHIC MAN AND MODERN MAN IN CHINA

the Neolithic Man in China can be divided into two large groups: Northern China group and Southern China group. The Sout-hern China group is composed of Tanshishan, Hedang, Zengpiyan and Hemudu. The Northern China group can be redivided into 3 subgroups: a, Xiawanggang, Miaodigo and Yedian; b, Shigu, Dawenkou and Xixiahou; c. Baoji, Huaxian, Banpo, Hongshan-hou and Hengzhen.

Thirdly, in Neolithic Man of China, both in the Northern group and in the Sout-hern group there exist so-called Negro-Australoid racial traits.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-RLXB198602001.htm

TWICE that summary mentioned "so called" traits and NEVER did they mention africans. "showing that the development of the physi-cal characteristics of Chinese is a genetic and successive course from Later Paleolithic Man to Modern Man via Neolithic Man." oh look, from later paleolithic to modern man without any mention of africans.



second link: THE NEOLITHIC HUMAN SKELETAL REMAINS FROM HSI-HSIA-HOU

Their racial type is Mongoloid and just as in the case of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou bears a certain resemblance to the Polynesian cranium type.The latter is attri-buted to a sub-division of the Southern Mongoloid.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197302007.htm

your own quote quite clearly says mongoloid.



third link: ON THE RACIAL TYPE OF THE SKULLS FROM THE NEOLITHIC SITE AT YE-DIAN IN ZOU-HSIEN COUNTER,SHANTUNG PROVINCE

In comparing the skulls of these three groups(the latter two groups studied byYen Yin)with these of the Mongoloid populations from Siberia,Arctic Region,Eastern Asia,Southern Asia,Polynesia,northern and southern China the author findsthat the inhabitants of the three Neolithic sites in Shantung province are more similar to those of the southern China than to Polynesians.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-GJZD198001009.htm

you may have purposely not posted the full summaries and nit picked, but it wont work here. it clearly says they are more similar to southern Chinese than Polynesians.

your last link is just gross and has nothing to do with us.

in summary, all you did was try to find links that mentioned a few specific "so called" traits and some primitive death procedures. both of which we Chinese have evolved from and you point out your people still do it. your own links also clearly say mongoloid.


ps.

THE STUDY OF THE RACIAL ELEMENTS OF ANCIENT CHINA

Dali Man,Xujiayao Man,Maba Man and so on are representatives of North and South Chi- nese early Homo sapiens.They already display certain morphological traits characteristic of the Mongoloid race.

The cranial morphology of the Upper Cave Man is clo- ser to that of modern North Asian Mongoloids,circumpolar peoples and American Indians. The skull of Liujiang Man from South China is more similar to those of Southern Mongoloids. This means that Mongoloid polymorphism already existed in an early stage of its development. It is called the"primitive Mongoloid type"or"Mongoloid in the making"by some scientists.

In general,the ancient civilization of China emerged in relative isolation from the other main reces of the Peleolithic.Neolithic and Bronze Age.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB198402004.htm




THE NEOLITHIC HUMAN SKELETONS UNEARTHED AT T'AN-SHIH-SHAN IN MIN-HOU COUNTY,FUKIEN PROVINCE

Morphologically,the skulls clearly represent the Mongoloid inspite of someAustralian-Negroid features.A comparison of their cranial data with those of the mo-dern Mongoloids of Asia shows that they resemble both the Southern Mongoloidsand the East Asiatic Mongoloids.But their short upper facial height,great nasal index,low orbital index and small mean angle of the upper facial flattening all attest to acloser affinity to the Southern Mongoloids.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197601005.htm


A Study of Neolithic Human Skulls from Wadian in Yuzhou City,Henan

The physical characteristics of the Wadian crania show that,in racial type,they are closely related to those of modern East Asian Mongoloids and some ancient popula- tions,such as the Miaodigou crania,Wayaogou crania and those from the Yin Ruins.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KAGU200604015.htm


at the end of the day, no matter how many similarities you find with other groups (which is more evident the further back you go), it is clear Chinese evolved separately from you africans. you can try even harder for relation to ancient Chinese. use all the academic fraudulent techniques you afrocentrists are so prone to. misinterpretations, selective nit picking, out right lies. the harder you try to relate with us, the more i want to grind your hopes into dust. AFRICA is YOUR legacy. CHINA is ours. i can understand you wanting more, but you are claiming things that is simply beyond your peoples capability. i play your game not because i have to or that i am threatened by your feeble attempts to claim relation to us (they are getting more and more grasping btw. dont know if you noticed or not). a simple civilization, term used loosely in this case, comparison shows it is impossible for you to have anything to do with us. i play for amusement.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Apr 21 2011, 10:08 AM

[Blackdude]

According to white nationalists, China was originally an Aryan civilization
According to Afrocentrists, they were black
According to Korean/Altaic nationalists, China was civilized by Altaics

At least one of them has got to be wrong LOL

I can understand the debates about the Altaic claim, but afrocentrist and nordicists to claim china is fu-king hilarious.

[charizardpal]

The Shang were a race of Kings!

[thekyuke]

The Shang were a race of Kings!

What does this mean?:

Thirdly, in Neolithic Man of China, both in the Northern group and in the Sout-hern group there exist so-called Negro-Australoid racial traits.

Dude,it means the racial characteristics of Australiods,an undoubtedly Negro people were present in North and S. China! How else would you define that statement?!!

at the end of the day, no matter how many similarities you find with other groups (which is more evident the further back you go), it is clear Chinese evolved separately from you africans. you can try even harder for relation to ancient Chinese. use all the academic fraudulent techniques you afrocentrists are so prone to. misinterpretations, selective nit picking, out right lies. the harder you try to relate with us, the more i want to grind your hopes into dust. AFRICA is YOUR legacy. CHINA is ours. i can understand you wanting more, but you are claiming things that is simply beyond your peoples capability. i play your game not because i have to or that i am threatened by your feeble attempts to claim relation to us (they are getting more and more grasping btw. dont know if you noticed or not). a simple civilization, term used loosely in this case, comparison shows it is impossible for you to have anything to do with us. i play for amusement.

I really can't respond to all that since I chose to remain inaccessible to rants but I'll return to the skull binding issue which is no more gross than other cultural expressions of body modification eg, footbinding.
Here is King Tut's famous 'lipombo-' just to remind you where the Neolithic Sino Africoids got the habit. Ohh ish! I can't post the pic for some reason.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xtYWPp3KJCc/TajS...s/s1600/TUT.jpg

Their racial type is Mongoloid and just as in the case of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou bears a certain resemblance to the Polynesian cranium type.The latter is attri-buted to a sub-division of the Southern Mongoloid.The incidence of cranial deformation among the males of Hsia-hsia-hou is only fiftyper cent as against the nearly one hundred per cent of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou.The cranial defor-mation among the females is one hundred per cent at both sites.The pre-mortem loss ofthe lateral incisors at Hsi-hsia-hou is similar to Ta-w(?)n-k'ou and probably resulted froma ritual practice in initiation rites.The incidence of ablation of teeth at Hsi-hsia-hou isthirty three per cent among the males and sixty seven per cent among the females.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197302007.htm
That skull binding to me is the clincher on the true race of Neolithic China,who went on to develop the first dynasty,the Shang.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

What does this mean?:

Dude,it means the racial characteristics of Australiods,an undoubtedly Negro people were present in North and S. China! How else would you define that statement?!!

I really can't respond to all that since I chose to remain inaccessible to rants but I'll return to the skull binding issue which is no more gross than other cultural expressions of body modification eg, footbinding.
Here is King Tut's famous 'lipombo-' just to remind you where the Neolithic Sino Africoids got the habit. Ohh ish! I can't post the pic for some reason.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xtYWPp3KJCc/TajS...s/s1600/TUT.jpg

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197302007.htm
That skull binding to me is the clincher on the true race of Neolithic China,who went on to develop the first dynasty,the Shang.

you are so desperate. its amusing to watch you squirm.

i define the statement EXACTLY as its stated. only SOME characteristics, which are categorized under austroloid.

YET the experts are even clearer:

"Morphologically,the skulls clearly represent the Mongoloid inspite of someAustralian-Negroid features."
http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197601005.htm


are you blind? your "clincher" says the race very specifically BEFORE your bolded.

"Their racial type is Mongoloid and just as in the case of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou bears a certain resemblance to the Polynesian cranium type.The latter is attri-buted to a sub-division of the Southern Mongoloid."

how many studies, even the ones you linked, have to say MONGOLOID before you get this through your head. you africans have nothing to do with Shang or Chinese at all. get over your wishful thinking.

you are either far too desperate to be linked to us or just trolling. either way it makes you pathetic.

req. close.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Apr 26 2011, 04:26 AM

[thekyuke]

you are so desperate. its amusing to watch you squirm.

i define the statement EXACTLY as its stated. only SOME characteristics, which are categorized under austroloid.

YET the experts are even clearer:

"Morphologically,the skulls clearly represent the Mongoloid inspite of someAustralian-Negroid features."
http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-KGXB197601005.htm


are you blind? your "clincher" says the race very specifically BEFORE your bolded.

"Their racial type is Mongoloid and just as in the case of Ta-w(?)n-k'ou bears a certain resemblance to the Polynesian cranium type.The latter is attri-buted to a sub-division of the Southern Mongoloid."

how many studies, even the ones you linked, have to say MONGOLOID before you get this through your head. you africans have nothing to do with Shang or Chinese at all. get over your wishful thinking.

you are either far too desperate to be linked to us or just trolling. either way it makes you pathetic.

req. close.

This is getting tedious! How did they get this Australoid-negro features? It obviously means,the Shang ,(at least these ones in this particular study) were a mixed race;a hybrid of Australoid negroid and Mongoloid. Some more Mongoloid ,others less with more Australoid features ,just like any mixed human population.
You keep insisting I'm claiming you or I need some affirmation/approval/recognition-are you serious or you just don't have anything to say?