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Vintage photos of Cambodia (1950s and 1960s)
mushrooms
post May 2 2011, 11:32 AM
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Some of these are from King Suramarith's Coronation festivities















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post May 2 2011, 11:33 AM
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And some from the Water Festival















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post May 2 2011, 09:37 PM
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Is there any meaning in the differences between the hats? Only one lead dancer wears the high pointy one and the rest wear lower hats?

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post May 3 2011, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE (mushrooms @ May 2 2011, 11:32 PM) *


Who are them?


I want to ask when Cambodians did not wear Jong Ka beng in daily life.



I ever think Cambodian still wear Jong ka beng in daily life in 50-60 years ago.
But from your pics ,I don't see Cambodians wear Jongkabaen in normal life.I see they wear it only in royal ceremony.


In Thailand,people in royal court began to wear Pasin(long sarong for women) or skirt (not wear Jong kben) during King rama the VI(around WWI)
In Priminister Por Piboon Song kram period(around WWII ).
He force Thai men to wear trousers like westerner and force Thai women to wear western skirt or Pa Sin .


(The left side - Don't)
The right side -DO)


Thank you for share the beautiful pics

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post May 3 2011, 11:14 AM
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In the 1955, Prince Norodom Sihanouk abdicated so that he can go into politics and his parents can be King and Queen. That's King Norodom Suramarit and Queen Sisowath Kossamak.

I'm not sure when it changed. But it doesn't seem to all happen at the same time for all regions. Many of the folk dances were choreographed in the 1950s or around this time. For Phnom Penh/Kandal, the folk dances show them wear pants and sarong. But for folk dances from other region, it show them still wear kben sometimes (like in the coconut dance from Svay Rieng).

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post May 3 2011, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (mushrooms @ May 3 2011, 11:14 PM) *
In the 1955, Prince Norodom Sihanouk abdicated so that he can go into politics and his parents can be King and Queen. That's King Norodom Suramarit and Queen Sisowath Kossamak.

I'm not sure when it changed. But it doesn't seem to all happen at the same time for all regions. Many of the folk dances were choreographed in the 1950s or around this time. For Phnom Penh/Kandal, the folk dances show them wear pants and sarong. But for folk dances from other region, it show them still wear kben sometimes (like in the coconut dance from Svay Rieng).


Thank you.
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post May 3 2011, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ May 2 2011, 10:37 PM) *
Is there any meaning in the differences between the hats? Only one lead dancer wears the high pointy one and the rest wear lower hats?


they are hats, they are tiaras and crowns. the shorter ones usually implicate maidens non deity characters and the long spire crowns are usually to depict angels or royalty in classical dances.
QUOTE (thaiboy @ May 3 2011, 06:13 AM) *
Who are them?


I want to ask when Cambodians did not wear Jong Ka beng in daily life.



I ever think Cambodian still wear Jong ka beng in daily life in 50-60 years ago.
But from your pics ,I don't see Cambodians wear Jongkabaen in normal life.I see they wear it only in royal ceremony.


In Thailand,people in royal court began to wear Pasin(long sarong for women) or skirt (not wear Jong kben) during King rama the VI(around WWI)
In Priminister Por Piboon Song kram period(around WWII ).
He force Thai men to wear trousers like westerner and force Thai women to wear western skirt or Pa Sin .


(The left side - Don't)
The right side -DO)


Thank you for share the beautiful pics


you have to realize that the majority of those pics are taken in phnom penh only in the 50-60 which is the capital city. i think the jong kben style was worn mostly in the provinces. phnom penh was a modern city back in the 50-60's so western style of clothes would probably be the attire. but looking at todays styles, hardly anyone wears the jong kben style anymore, that style is usually reserved for special occasions such as weddings and royalty.
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post May 3 2011, 04:57 PM
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The tall crown is for queens and goddesses/angels, sometimes it is worn by princesses.
The smaller one in the pic is for princesses, angels, or special female character (could be non-royal but important in the story, or a personal servant).
The crown the little girl is wearing is the most simple one, and used by maidens and royal servants (in performances not in real life).

Here's more...




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post May 3 2011, 05:02 PM
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Thanks mushroom and trickystyle!!!

Personally I think the smaller crown is very pretty, a lot prettier than the pointy ones. icon_smile.gif
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post May 3 2011, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ May 3 2011, 06:02 PM) *
Thanks mushroom and trickystyle!!!

Personally I think the smaller crown is very pretty, a lot prettier than the pointy ones. icon_smile.gif


you're welcome. i wish i stuck with my classical dance lessons.
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post May 3 2011, 09:19 PM
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Check out this pic Xigon. It seems there is some Vietnamese connection going on here. Some of these dancers look like they are really Viet (at least to me). And not to mention the lady wearing the ao dai.


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post May 3 2011, 09:31 PM
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^ Interesting.

BTW what kind of silk do you guys use to make the skirt? It seems very shiny and distinctive from the Lao and Thai ones.
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post May 3 2011, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (mushrooms @ May 3 2011, 10:19 PM) *
Check out this pic Xigon. It seems there is some Vietnamese connection going on here. Some of these dancers look like they are really Viet (at least to me). And not to mention the lady wearing the ao dai.



classical dancers at the turn of the century used to paint their faces with alabaster if you look closely there are dancers with painted faces and without. that would explain the extreme pail skin and exaggerated faces.

but there is a vietnamese in the picture, guess where lol.

cambodians use golden silk vs. white silk. golden silk is very time consuming to make and very costly. white silk is mainly mass produced from china and india.

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post May 3 2011, 11:02 PM
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Tricky, I think Cambodia also has a unique variety of silkworm that produces a kind of really lustrous thread...

The Thai silk has pattern of mettalic thread that is more dense. Under low lighting it can appear matte. But under the right lighting, both Khmer and Thai silk are really lustrous. For some Khmer silk, there is two contrasting colors that really make it irridescent so it really shines no matter white.



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post May 4 2011, 06:30 AM
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Fascinating to see the old pics.
I guess in decades to come, people and historians will look on Youtube and the videos there as some sort of cultural archive too.
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post May 4 2011, 01:50 PM
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Nice pictures! Aren't those days referred to as the Cambodian Golden Era?
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post May 4 2011, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (mushrooms @ May 4 2011, 12:02 AM) *
Tricky, I think Cambodia also has a unique variety of silkworm that produces a kind of really lustrous thread...

The Thai silk has pattern of mettalic thread that is more dense. Under low lighting it can appear matte. But under the right lighting, both Khmer and Thai silk are really lustrous. For some Khmer silk, there is two contrasting colors that really make it irridescent so it really shines no matter white.



you are right. Cambodia produces a local variant of silk worms found in Cambodia that produces yellow silk threads (golden silk).

the Khmer charabab and thai yiarabab are very similar to the malay/indonesian songket. my friend's father sent me three songkets from malaysia they are beautiful. all my lazy @$$ has to do is pick it up!

an example of songket from malaysia
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post May 4 2011, 08:23 PM
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^ very beautiful, yeah they are similar to Thai and Khmer silk but once you look at the pattern closely, you know right away they are not of Thai or Khmer's pattern. I guess those flower patterns are kind of unique to Malaysian. This is what I found in Thai forum, very interesting ...






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post May 5 2011, 08:34 AM
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nice find! thanks for sharing! =)
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post May 5 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (Marrykate @ May 4 2011, 09:23 PM) *
^ very beautiful, yeah they are similar to Thai and Khmer silk but once you look at the pattern closely, you know right away they are not of Thai or Khmer's pattern. I guess those flower patterns are kind of unique to Malaysian. This is what I found in Thai forum, very interesting ...






you are right. malay style is very full of floral motif. they really like their "pucuk rebung" pattern which is supposed to represent the bamboo shoots.





hey marykate do you have anymore information on khmer silk from thai forums? it is hard to find information on khmer silk.

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