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[Sumpit]

In fact, i had learnt German in high school. it was long time ago. i forgot mostly.

Btw, was ist 'sleeping dictionary'?

woman who sleeps with you and teaches you the language and the habits of the locals. hehehe

According to the most recent stats, Korean general high school students learn these 2nd foreign languages. The 1st foreign language is of course English.

Japanese (62.5%)
Chinese (26.7%)
German (4.9%)
French (4.8%)

Aha so that's why a lot of South Korean artists aim for the Japanese market! But isn't Chinese closer to Korean than the Japanese language? (Like German and Danish?) Don't you guys still use Hanja?

[UnknownUser]

Aha so that's why a lot of South Korean artists aim for the Japanese market! But isn't Chinese closer to Korean than the Japanese language? (Like German and Danish?) Don't you guys still use Hanja?

I think the Korean artists aim for the Japanese market because of more big profit not because of their 2nd foreign languages that they had learnt in high school (Japan is world second largest music market, you know)

So, process is not like this
learn Japanese => aim for the Japanese market

But like this
Japan is big market => aim for the Japanese market => learn Japanese

Korean and Japanese are very similar in word order or sentence structure. both belong to same language family.
I heard that the most easy language for Koreans to learn is Japanese and the most easy language for Japanese to learn is Korean.

On the other hand, Chinese is totally different with Korean in word order. i guess Chinese is more similar with English in sentence structure?

Though there is a tendency to use only Hangeul, Hanja is still used in Korea (you know, Japanese use more Hanja than Koreans. they call it Kanji)
But i must say that knowing the Hanja is very helpful and sometimes it's very necessary since many Korean words are related to Hanja or originated from Hanja. Hanja had influenced many Korean/Japanese words.

This post has been edited by UnknownUser: Jan 6 2012, 07:01 PM

[Sumpit]

Japan is world second largest music market, you know
For real? I thought the Japanese music is only hot in Japan only. Only Japanese artist that made it big throughout Asia is Ayumi, well that's what I thought haha. Anyone can make a #1 hit in Japan, just like my cousin!

Korean and Japanese are very similar in word order or sentence structure. both belong to same language family.
I heard that the most easy language for Koreans to learn is Japanese and the most easy language for Japanese to learn is Korean.

On the other hand, Chinese is totally different with Korean in word order. i guess Chinese is more similar with English in sentence structure?

Though there is a tendency to use only Hangeul, Hanja is still used in Korea (you know, Japanese use more Hanja than Koreans. they call it Kanji)
But i must say that knowing the Hanja is very helpful and sometimes it's very necessary since many Korean words are related to Hanja or originated from Hanja. Hanja had influenced many Korean/Japanese words.

Oh OK. To me, Japanese sounds very Austronesian like (a lot of long words in the language). Thanks for the info! Question: Why is the Hanja very helpful for the koreans, while Hangeul is in fact an alphabet, not characters like Chinese. Isn't it easier to describe things using the alphabet, than to look at/read a Chinese character? That would be confusing for the mind to switch over, right?

Technically, there are no 'Chang Chong' in Chinese but in Korean. you mock us you actually in fact mock yourself.
it's actaully 'Tsh' in Mandarin, but none-Chinese people who say borrowed Chinese words or learn Chinese cannot say it right as their mother languages lack such pronunciation so they end up saying 'Ch'.
He's like a pot calling the kettle black, if he's "Korean". Just another troll, don't waste time on him.
In fact, I do have Chinese ancestry (Fujian), even a Chinese last name, but I don't look Chinese nor do I use their traditions and unfortunately I don't speak one of the languages (I'm picking up some Hokkien from my S'porean friends!) hence the questions I previously asked about the Korean/Japanese language.
I'm thinking of studying Mandarin, but I haven't found a good school yet.
the person you're insulting is probably not Chinese or some ABC who doesn't know much about us.
Hey that's true! I only 'know' 3 Koreans: The barber, the internet cafe owner and the lovely old lady at the food court that sells icecream! I come by almost everyday, sometimes I get one for free too.. Gosh I feel like a child hahaha.

you are very right, I learnt a little bit Japanese long long ago, the sentence structure is weird to me, instead of saying I love you, the Japanese say I wa you o love

chinese and english has similar structure but chinese doesn't transform words themselves depending on the tense, instead we use characters, which can be viewed as transformation
such as 'do things', we say zuo(do) shiqing(things), the past tense in english is 'did things', chinese is zuo guole shiqing, guole is added to the verb so it becomes past tense
another example, 'why are you doing this', in Chinese 'weishenme(why) ni(you) zuo(do) zhege(this)'

Hanzi has some disadvantages which is really hard to remember and write for foreigners(not for us) but also advantages such as making up new words and translating foreign words into mother language, because Hanzi works like prefixes and suffixes.
In that way, the Japanese made many words using Kanji that we are using in day to day life
also IMO, the Japanese writing system and the formation of korean words are very interesting, we should learn from them, but the officials are conservative so this is not going to happen at all.
Wow, you've made it sound difficult! Isn't "ai$hiteru" I love you? Ai means love, then what does the other part mean? Wa means I, right?

Back on topic.
Who's controlling the music charts in ROK? The girls or both guys and girls? I find it awkward if a guy likes boybands.. or listens to girlbands (while should be actually just be watching) I do listen to some Korean gb/bbs though You guys do too right?

[doggyji]

For real? I thought the Japanese music is only hot in Japan only. Only Japanese artist that made it big throughout Asia is Ayumi, well that's what I thought haha. Anyone can make a #1 hit in Japan, just like my cousin!

Japanese pop artists have no big incentive to venture out of the country because their domestic market is already huge. Their companies tend to be very strict on copyrights and the fans are very supportive. Who's your cousin?

Oh OK. To me, Japanese sounds very Austronesian like (a lot of long words in the language). Thanks for the info! Question: Why is the Hanja very helpful for the koreans, while Hangeul is in fact an alphabet, not characters like Chinese. Isn't it easier to describe things using the alphabet, than to look at/read a Chinese character? That would be confusing for the mind to switch over, right?

It just helps to know what common hanja syllables mean so when you see a new hanja word, you can still guess its meaning.

To add more explanation to this 2nd foreign language topic, Korean high school students tend to think Japanese is the easiest to get decent marks in exams. Similar grammar, phonetic letters (except some basic kanji to memorize) and relatively easy pronunciation. It's very hard to master any language but just for getting to the intermediate level, there are significant differences in the amount of required time and effort. Mandarin has increasingly become popular for practical reasons, too. Vietnamese will be added to the 2nd foreign language choices for the Korean university entrance exam from 2014.

As for the similarity between Korean and Chinese, you may find that there are tons of Sino-Korean (hanja-based) words. When you listen to Korean pop songs though, the frequency of Sino-words can be pretty low. For example, there are only 5 hanja words in this entire song. This one has less than 10 hanja words, too. When the subject becomes more academic, however, you would find hanja words, one after another. Sino-Korean words sound very similar to some Southern Chinese dialects without the tones while the grammars differ greatly. "I love you" in Chinese has the same word order in English. In Korean, the word order has to be: I + subjective particle + you + objective particle + love + sentence ending. Also, there should be contextual omission of subjects to make the sentences sound natural.

Back on topic.
Who's controlling the music charts in ROK? The girls or both guys and girls? I find it awkward if a guy likes boybands.. or listens to girlbands (while should be actually just be watching) I do listen to some Korean gb/bbs though You guys do too right?

I will assume you are familiar with who's who.

Hits of 2011 (Gaon chart)

[doggyji]

^ This is a recurring troll. Mods are away.

Special live performance of "Diamond" on MBC. They even added choreography.

[Live] SNSD "Diamond" (Short ver.)

Happy New Year!

This post has been edited by doggyji: Dec 31 2011, 10:36 AM

[chiuchimu]

^ This is a recurring troll. Mods are away.

Special live performance of "Diamond" on MBC. They even added choreography.

[Live] SNSD "Diamond" (Short ver.)

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!
From Texas!
(I'm on a road trip thru the states)

[chiuchimu]

Double post: please delete

This post has been edited by chiuchimu: Jan 1 2012, 12:22 AM

[foi2]

woman who sleeps with you and teaches you the language and the habits of the locals. hehehe


Aha so that's why a lot of South Korean artists aim for the Japanese market! But isn't Chinese closer to Korean than the Japanese language? (Like German and Danish?) Don't you guys still use Hanja?

I remember watching a Japanese TV show where they talk about current events, and they mentioned that the Japanese market is like 20 times bigger than the Korean market because of illegal copies or something. Forget which program though.

But yeah, the 20x times the size is why Korean artists target the Japanese market. I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese market isn't much bigger than the Korean market either, that's why all the kpop stars try to go to Japan instead.

In terms of difficulty for japanese. It sounds like Korean is easy to start, but hard to master. I've heard that mandarin is hard to start, but easier to master. Most people in Japan still study English as primary foreign language, and then Chinese is second. Korean's probably third.

[doggyji]

Another good cover to be added to my Taeyeon library. This was a X-mas special stage on MBC.

[Cover] Taeyeon "O Holy Night"

Tiff's dreamy voice...

[Cover] Tiffany + Sung Si Kyung "Last Christmas"

Jessica did a good job, too.

[Cover] Jessica "When You Wish Upon A Star"



This is an interesting video. Taeyeon and Tiffany rehearsed "Where Is The Love?" with BEP members at MAMA but only CL was on the real stage later for some reason. I guess they weren't prepared or the stage coordinator decided they didn't need too many Fergie roles.

[Rehearsal] Black Eyed Peas + CL + Taeyeon + Tiffany "Where Is The Love?"

CNN briefly covered a 14-year-old girl contestant's great performance for SBS K-POP STAR. She sang Adele's "Rolling In The Deep". She's definitely one of the strongest contestants who passed the first round. The judges are BoA, JYP and YG.

[CNN] Park Ji Min "Rolling In The Deep"

The full audition video is here.

[Audition] Park Ji Min "Rolling In The Deep"

This is a rare footage. Kim Sisters were probably the first Korean all-girl band. They were good at playing various instruments and dancing, too. They were picked up by an American promoter later and performed on the Ed Sullivan Show.

[1950s][Live] Kim Sisters "닐니리야" (Niliriya)

I remember watching a Japanese TV show where they talk about current events, and they mentioned that the Japanese market is like 20 times bigger than the Korean market because of illegal copies or something. Forget which program though.

But yeah, the 20x times the size is why Korean artists target the Japanese market. I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese market isn't much bigger than the Korean market either, that's why all the kpop stars try to go to Japan instead.

For concrete numbers, we can use the data from IFPI's "Recording Industry in Numbers 2011" based on 2010 figures. American and Japanese music markets account for half of the global trade revenues.



- Trade value: or wholesale value refers to record companies’ revenue from the sale of recorded music products or from licensing, net of discounts returns and taxes. Promotional goods are excluded. Non-music related or non-recording artist related income are excluded. All analysis, growth and trends, are based on trade values unless otherwise stated.

- Retail value: estimate of the final value paid by the consumer for the purchase of music products, inclusive of relevant sales taxes and retailer mark-up. Retail values are estimates only and refer to physical and digital sales only (performance rights not included).

- US$ values: historical local currency values re-stated at the 2010 exchange rate.

- Physical sales: CD sales ordered via the internet (e.g. Amazon) are reported as physical sales. Figures are provided by the record companies in the respective markets to the local IFPI body. IFPI applies a ‘coverage factor’ to the figures to account for nonreporting companies, therefore representing 100% of the market.

- Digital sales: refers to sales via online, mobile channels and via subscriptions. Income from ad-supported services, mono/polyphonic ringtone income and bundled subscriptions were included in the digital sales figures from 2008.

- Performance rights revenues: monies received by record companies from music licensing companies for licenses granted to third parties for the use of sound recordings and music videos in broadcasting (radio and TV), public performance (nightclubs, bars, restaurants, hotels) and certain internet uses. Performance rights revenues refer to distributions to record companies – it excludes non-allocated distributions, and non-recurring distributions such as settlement amounts. Distributions for the current year refer to monies collected by music licensing companies in the previous year (e.g. distributions for 2010 refer to monies collected in 2009 reaching the record company accounts in 2010). Figures are provided by the respective music licensing companies to IFPI.

Global recorded music trade revenues totalled US$ 15.9 billion in 2010, a decline of 8.3% compared to 2009. Physical format sales fell by 14.2% globally offsetting the gains in other areas. Digital revenues grew by 5.3% in 2010 to US$ 4.6 billion and now account for 29% of all recorded music revenues, up from 25% in 2009. Continued growth in download sales and the expansion of subscription revenues drove this increase. On the other hand, the mobile sector continued to decline in many markets, notably impacting digital growth in the US and in Japan. Performance rights revenues grew by 4.6% in 2010 totalling US$ 851 million, now accounting for 5% of trade revenues. On a retail basis, the global recorded music market was worth an estimated US$ 24.3 billion in 2010.

While the overall global market is shrinking, Korean music market has been recovering.

South Korea – Legislative Change Combined With New Services Helps Boost Sales

South Korea is an example of a country where improvements to the legal environment, combined with a range of legitimate offerings, appear to have contributed to a marked increase in legitimate music sales and revived investment in local music.

Digital music came to South Korea very early in the decade, with digital sales overtaking sales of physical formats as early as 2006. In the early stages, however, legitimate digital services were hit by high rates of piracy which also accounted for falling CD sales.

However, since 2007, South Korea has seen a steady recovery against the backdrop of a series of legislative changes and legal actions that have significantly strengthened the protection of music rights holders in the country. In the first half of 2009, the government began to publicise its new graduated response law, which became effective in July, and music sales increased by 18 per cent, with digital sales up by 32 per cent in the same period in 2008. Digital sales grew by 53 per cent in the first nine months of 2009. CD sales also rose in 2009 for the first time in five years, mostly driven by local K-pop.

South Korea’s copyright landscape started improving in 2007 after two major infringing services, Soribada and Bugs, which had been subject to legal actions, turned legitimate. Also in 2007, South Korea became one of the first countries in the world to require P2P file-sharing operators to take measures to block illegal distribution of copyrighted works on request from right holders. In 2008, a new government tabled legislation allowing authorities to order ISPs to warn infringing users and suspend accounts after three warnings. Authorities were also given the power to suspend infringing message boards, blogs and forums following warnings.

The new graduated response law was passed in April 2009 and became effective in July. Public awareness around the introduction of the law appears to have had a significant deterrent effect. Preliminary research by the South Korean government suggests consumers are aware of and are being influenced by the new law. In an indicative survey based on 1,000 interviews, 45 per cent said they were illegally downloading less content. Helped by this improved environment, South Korea’s legitimate music services and physical retailers are seeing encouraging revenue growth. At the same time, record companies report increasing investment in local repertoire which has further boosted the market. Alongside the action taken by the government, 2008 was also the year that legal unlimited MP3 subscription services offering a wide range of domestic and international repertoire took off. Today, major players like Soribada and M.Net Media, all offer unlimited MP3 subscription services.

Consumer take-up of these services has been robust. Soribada now has 300,000 paying subscribers, compared to 700,000 subscribers in its previous illegal format. M.Net Media and Neowiz Bugs have attracted 350,000 and 320,000 subscribers respectively.

Link

South Korea stands out as a music market seeing significant growth, helped by a range of factors including the introduction of graduated response measures, efforts by online portals to combat piracy, government takedown actions and education initiatives. Music sales grew by 11.7% in 2010, the second year of strong growth following a 10.4% rise in 2009.

The graduated response law strengthens enforcement measures by authorising the Korea Copyright Commission to issue notices requiring takedown of infringing content. The law also empowers the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to order online service providers to send infringement notices to subscribers and order the suspension of infringing accounts that have been subject to three notices for a period of up to six months.

Investment in local repertoire has been a beneficiary of this change. Music companies are again investing in local A&R and many South Korean acts are now being exported to neighbouring countries.

There was a special case study article about the Chinese market.

Today, as much as 76% of China’s recorded music market revenues come from digital channels. Ringback tones and ringback tone ‘music box’ (bundled ringback tones) account for the bulk of the digital music market, with China Mobile being the dominant player. Most of the titles released in China are produced in neighbouring territories – Taiwan and Hong Kong. Mandarin repertoire accounts for the majority of sales.

The legitimate digital music market in China is still at a fraction of its potential and swamped by piracy. China has almost thirty times more broadband subscriptions than Brazil, but its digital revenue per capita is only about 20% of Brazil’s. The low share of revenues music companies receive, typically 5% of the retail value or less, also contributes to lower per capita digital trade revenues.

Mobile music is a potentially vast market in China. Nearly 850 million Chinese consumers had a mobile connection as at January 2011 and 8% of mobile users had a smartphone (Screen Digest), making China the second largest smartphone market in the world after the US. In the online environment, 450 million consumers have access to broadband.

Google pioneered free, ad-supported legal music downloads in China with the launch of top100.cn in March 2009.Download stores have not developed a mass customer base in China where consumers are very price sensitive, disposable income is still low, there is hesitancy about disclosing credit card information online and credit card penetration itself is very low.

Piracy remains a major barrier to China’s digital market development. According to CNNIC (The 27th Report on the Internet Development in China- January 2011), online music was the second most popular internet application in China, used by 79.2% of all internet users. This highlights the importance of music content to any internet business in China. There remains a huge disparity between the demand for music
and the ability of legitimate music services to thrive.

A major legislative objective for the recording industry is the establishment of a broadcasting and public performance right in sound recordings in China. According to figures from PWC, the radio advertising market in China was worth US$ 1.4 billion in 2010 and could therefore mean a significant revenue stream to creators.

In terms of the share of GDP accounted for by the creative industries, China still lags well behind Europe and the US. Only 2.5% of China’s GDP comes from the creative sectors compared to 6.9% in Europe and 11.1% in the US (Tera Consultants, 2009 and IIPA, 2007). China’s weakest creative industries include film and music. The film and music sectors have suffered from high levels of regulation, state control and lack of international competition. Investment in these industries is further damaged by high levels of piracy and lagging liberalisation.

This post has been edited by doggyji: Jan 13 2012, 08:58 PM

[UnknownUser]

Everybody happy new year~!!!

chinese and english have similar structure but chinese doesn't transform words themselves depending on the tense, instead we use characters, which can be viewed as transformation
such as 'do things', we say zuo(do) shiqing(things), the past tense in english is 'did things', chinese is zuo guole shiqing, guole is added to the verb so it becomes past tense
another example, 'why are you doing this', in Chinese 'weishenme(why) ni(you) zuo(do) zhege(this)'

Hanzi has some disadvantages such as hard to remember and write for foreigners(not for us) but also advantages like easy to make up new words and translate foreign words into mother language, because Hanzi works like prefixes and suffixes.
In that way, the Japanese made many words using Kanji that we are using in day to day life
also IMO, the Japanese writing system and the formation of korean words are very interesting, we should learn from them, but the officials are conservative so this is not going to happen at all.

I want to learn Chinese someday. but after learning English. now i'm learning English lol

Oh OK. To me, Japanese sounds very Austronesian like (a lot of long words in the language). Thanks for the info! Question: Why is the Hanja very helpful for the koreans, while Hangeul is in fact an alphabet, not characters like Chinese. Isn't it easier to describe things using the alphabet, than to look at/read a Chinese character? That would be confusing for the mind to switch over, right?

There are homonyms in Sino-Korean words. Hanja helps to distinguish each words more easily.

EX>

Korean - Hanja - English

부인 - 否認 - denial
부인 - 夫人 - wife

원수 - 怨讐 - enemy
원수 - 元帥 - marshal

And also knowing Hanja helps to understand meaning of Sino-Korean words more accurately.
So, there are some special studies that require to know certain Hanja such as law.

Special live performance of "Diamond" on MBC. They even added choreography.

[Live] SNSD "Diamond" (Short ver.)

Another good cover to be added to my Taeyeon library. This was a X-mas special stage on MBC.

[Cover] Taeyeon "O Holy Night"

Tiff's dreamy voice...

[Cover] Tiffany + Sung Si Kyung "Last Christmas"

Jessica did a good job, too.

[Cover] Jessica "When You Wish Upon A Star"

I was disappointed with sound of broadcasting companies. i have no choice but to compare with those of Japan.
When it comes to sound, i think Korea need to learn Japan, US and should make an investment more.
But SNSD is lovely lol

CNN briefly covered a 14-year-old girl contestant's great performance for SBS K-POP STAR. She sang Adele's "Rolling In The Deep". She's definitely one of the strongest contestants who passed the first round. The judges are BoA, JYP and YG.

[CNN] Park Ji Min "Rolling In The Deep"

She is good~!

This is a rare footage. Kim Sisters were probably the first Korean all-girl band. They were good at playing various instruments and dancing, too. They were picked up by an American promoter later and performed on the Ed Sullivan Show.

[1950s][Live] Kim Sisters "닐니리야" (Niliriya)

Wow~


Though this kinds of K-pop dance idol boyband is somewhat fed up, i like this song. this one reminds me of some old Europop.
It excite nostalgia. it seems that sweetune writes many songs that have a feeling of nostalgia.

INFINITE - Be mine


BBC had an interview with CL from 2NE1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16212073


Fuji TV announcers covered KARA's Winter Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_kMPYcn2vw

Other girls(announcer?) covered T-ARA's Bo Peep Bo Peep and then, real T-ARA appeared
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbS8IiOZifA

This post has been edited by UnknownUser: Jan 5 2012, 08:28 AM

[doggyji]

^ Those year-end music shows were disastrous. Having consecutive shows like that also kills the singers who have to prepare different special stages. They should just come up with one big good show. I also hate it when they manipulate the soundboard so much that live singing sounds like lip-syncing on TV. Compare these two videos of Crow Taeng.



[SBS] Taeyeon + Changmin "Devil's Cry"
[Fancam] Taeyeon + Changmin "Devil's Cry"

I found a cover of Utada Hikaru's "First Love" by Sunny. One of my all-time favorite R&B songs.

[Cover] Sunny "First Love"

This post has been edited by doggyji: Jan 4 2012, 02:56 PM

[UnknownUser]

^ Those year-end music shows were disastrous. Having consecutive shows like that also kills the singers who have to prepare different special stages. They should just come up with one big good show. I also hate it when they manipulate the soundboard so much that live singing sounds like lip-syncing on TV. Compare these two videos of Crow Taeng.



[SBS] Taeyeon + Changmin "Devil's Cry"
[Fancam] Taeyeon + Changmin "Devil's Cry"

Yes, it need to think more efficient system, though as a viewer it's entertaining to see many shows in year-end. lol

I found a cover of Utada Hikaru's "First Love" by Sunny. One of my all-time favorite R&B songs.

[Cover] Sunny "First Love"

I like this version vid most
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIqXB6GBYVQ

[Sumpit]

Wow! I really thought UK & German music industries were a lot bigger than the Japanese.
And by the popularity K-pop has gained in the last decade, you would've thought they've surpassed Japan already! (If they did marketing in other parts of Asia) I guess I thought wrong.
Even with the Yen declining, Japanese people still manage to afford CDs! How awesome is that, they really do support their idols.

Who's your cousin?

I will assume you are familiar with who's who.

Hits of 2011 (Gaon chart)

lol my cousin didn't topped the hot 100 / top 20 charts. Just in that particular genre. She did the vocals on a DJ Kawasakis song

Hmm familiar with who's who? Well yeah, thanks to UnknownUser I know at least 1/3 of the list Nice to know Ock Joo Hyun is still singing!

Oh yeah, does the Korean language duplicate words for different meanings a lot?

[doggyji]

Another interesting set of figures.

Wow! I really thought UK & German music industries were a lot bigger than the Japanese. And by the popularity K-pop has gained in the last decade, you would've thought they've surpassed Japan already! (If they did marketing in other parts of Asia) I guess I thought wrong. Even with the Yen declining, Japanese people still manage to afford CDs! How awesome is that, they really do support their idols.

International K-pop fans are mostly casual YouTube/online fans. From what I have seen, most of them wouldn't bother buying anything but many of them would like to go to a concert if there's one nearby. K-pop groups like SNSD and Super Junior have good recognition among the younger generation in the Sinosphere and SEA but currently that doesn't generate much profit for the companies. They can occasionally hold concerts in Shanghai, HK, Taipei, Singapore and Bangkok. So far, Japan has been the only country where significant revenues are generated. SNSD had 14 solo concerts at arena level in Japan last summer as Japan has many concert-goers and a great infrastructure for live concerts. This scale is currently unimaginable in any other Asian countries. Instead of licensing, K-pop companies make a partnership with Japanese media agencies/publishers, bringing young yet experienced singers from the Korean industry. In other words, K-pop in Japan becomes a part of the J-pop industry. Japanese companies take charge of the domestic media relations/promotion/marketing/publishing and take a large portion of the revenue from the sales.

What's amazing about Japanese fans is that they are very supportive and tend to like collecting things. There are many fans who buy singles, albums, photo books, cards, concert DVDs, etc. and even digitally buy music videos. J-Sones (Japanese SNSD fans) recently donated 1301 kg of rice (which will be donated to help poor people), wishing for Tiffany's success in her first musical. This is even a lot more than from Korean fans.



J-Sone blogs like this are fun and informative.

http://ameblo.jp/tk39fish/entry-11124356833.html

lol my cousin didn't topped the hot 100 / top 20 charts. Just in that particular genre. She did the vocals on a DJ Kawasakis song

That's really cool! Is that lady in the PV your cousin? Is there any other work?

Oh yeah, does the Korean language duplicate words for different meanings a lot?

I can't tell comparatively but you know the Korean language has many hanja words, which tend to have compact syllables raising the chance for homonyms. That doesn't really matter though unless you need technical clarity dealing with laws and such.

"I can do it."
"Opening a can of worms."

We don't have to think twice about what "can" in each sentence means because of the context.

Don't Koreans have trouble reading without the use of chinese characters?

This post has been edited by doggyji: Jan 7 2012, 08:59 PM

[foi2]

What's amazing about Japanese fans is that they are very supportive and tend to like collecting things. There are many fans who buy singles, albums, photo books, cards, concert DVDs, etc. and even digitally buy music videos.

That's what amazes me too. The amount of money Japanese fans are willing to spend on any type of collectible. It's like a national obsession to collect something, anything.

[ReginaRae]

Casker (캐스커) an indie group released two new songs a while ago. The title song Wish is really pretty, and I think it's rather unique. I haven't heard many Korean songs like this. I thought I'd share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6rWk-bGFo

[foi2]

Yes, it need to think more efficient system, though as a viewer it's entertaining to see many shows in year-end. lol


I like this version vid most
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIqXB6GBYVQ

I didn't know who this taeyeon girl was until a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit, she is pretty damn hot. Though she seemed to look better before.

[UnknownUser]

Casker (캐스커) an indie group released two new songs a while ago. The title song Wish is really pretty, and I think it's rather unique. I haven't heard many Korean songs like this. I thought I'd share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6rWk-bGFo

Vocal of the girl is very similar with Jisun from Loveholic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEo8c19T6bM

I didn't know who this taeyeon girl was until a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit, she is pretty damn hot. Though she seemed to look better before.

Who do you mean? if you mean the girl in that pic, then right she is Teayeon (and right, she looks gloomy these days. she wasn't before))
But if you mean the girl in the vid, then i must say she is not Teayeon. she is 'Seungyeon' of Kara.

[doggyji]

Casker (캐스커) an indie group released two new songs a while ago. The title song Wish is really pretty, and I think it's rather unique. I haven't heard many Korean songs like this. I thought I'd share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6rWk-bGFo

I like it. She does sound like Jisun, the ex-frontwoman for Loveholic. I still listen to this old song.

[Live] Casker "고양이와 나" (The cat and I)

I didn't know who this taeyeon girl was until a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit, she is pretty damn hot. Though she seemed to look better before.

Whether it's Taeyeon of SNSD or Seung Yeon of KARA, not many would call them "hot". They are cute.

I have updated this post about Taeyeon. This shows why she's very popular.

SNSD Taeyeon

she looks gloomy these days. she wasn't before

Taeyeon looks gloomy these days? I've only found she looks a bit "mature" lately due to her heavy makeup.



Compared to this.



This post has been edited by doggyji: Jan 8 2012, 12:58 AM

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International K-pop fans are mostly casual YouTube/online fans. From what I have seen, most of them wouldn't bother buying anything but many of them would like to go to a concert if there's one nearby.

I guess that's true! Well.. at least I've bought 1 CD online (Se7ens 24/SE7EN)
Check the latest kids react out! A shame that they didn't include Big Bang though.
_{on the side note.. the lil' asian boy is indo-chinese like me ^^}

What's amazing about Japanese fans is that they are very supportive and tend to like collecting things. There are many fans who buy singles, albums, photo books, cards, concert DVDs, etc. and even digitally buy music videos.

Yeah the Japanese are crazy when it comes to that, that makes them unique!

That's really cool! Is that lady in the PV your cousin? Is there any other work?

Well, she's my best cousins wife (I assume you can tell that she's not Asian) I envy her a lot, she travels all over the world. darn it! From Japan to Brazil, kazachstan. She's living the life!
Yes there's more work. Tbh I'm not keen with her songs. I don't like house music.
Just keep it with the (Nu)soul/funk/jazz/hip hop.

Casker (캐스커) an indie group released two new songs a while ago. The title song Wish is really pretty, and I think it's rather unique. I haven't heard many Korean songs like this. I thought I'd share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6rWk-bGFo

Why does this remind me of J, on the (christian) album in my lifetime?

Whether it's Taeyeon of SNSD or Seung Yeon of KARA, not many would call them "hot". They are cute.

Taeyeon looks gloomy these days? I've only found she looks a bit "mature" lately due to her heavy makeup.

You're wrong, she looks hot with blonde hair! And cute as a brunette.

I don't know whether it's posted already but I like the new Jay Park song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWf9E0Qw8NE
This is how r&b should sound like. Those good slow jams, that Usher used to be good at!
His English has no accent, did he study in the States?