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post Sep 6 2011, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (WoahZtong @ Sep 6 2011, 10:21 PM) *
imho of course most Taiwanese citizens are ethnically Chinese. The country itself is called "Republic of China".

Now politically? Of course not. But ethnically mostly yes. Heck I'm Singaporean which is far more multicultural and mixed than Taiwan and yet still consider my heritage mainly ethnic han chinese.


that would depend on whether you would consider peranakans as equivalent to equivalent to chinese with no further context given. no doubt peranakans are passed as straits chinese, but there is a flaw in such labelling which ignore a significant or possibly dominant half. there are times where a mixed breed will be given a new name, such as mestizos, who ain't spaniards. you can also imagine if a white man who marry a black women, growing up in a black-predominant but white adminstrated society, with multiple early generations marrying black women, with their descendents grew up and educated in a western way. now for the final offspring. is he ethnically white? or is he ethnically black? or should we just come to terms and acknowledge of his mixed past that he had heritage from both and not discounting the dominant background, and more importantly, do not overide other people's identity based on our own wishful interpretation?

there are many ways to classify an ethnic group - going neutrally by maternal and paternal gene pool, going subjectively by physical appearances and cultural background, going practically by language and self-identity, or going by definitions made on you but defined by another state who had territorial disputes with you? in the above u said, you "consider your heritage" to be such and such, would you have imagine how it feels if you are ridiculed for your own identity and imposed on an identity which you cannot accept? how would you feel, assumptiously, if you are now considered to be a subset ethnicity under the malays?

there would be a lot of deep biases that will not be able to be rooted off, i'm sure, for many people. but these are just food for thoughts if you r an open person.

taiwan's culture is not suprisingly heavily influenced by the chinese, which is well expected after half a century of nipponificaiton and another half a centry of sinificiation which is still ongoing. just as singaporeans were forbidden to use own dialects in official media, taiwan underwent a further part once in their history that speaking their own languages in schools will be subjected to punishment in the form of fine, and in some cases, caning. a lot of taiwan's heritage are buried, and are still awaiting to be dug out.

on a lighter note, i just heard that a great film is coming. seediq bale, sounds nothing chinese, talks about the story of aboriginal taiwanese who are passive and unsuspecting towards colonialism but wrote a small chapter of heroic resistance when a turning event occurs when one of them offered wine to a japanese policeman as a friendly gesture but was in turn beaten up becos his hands are not considered clean enough. can't wait to lay my hand on the dvd.

both the political maturity of taiwan and singapore will be challenged one day when sensitive truths can be accepted and not denied by those who deemed themselves with guilty associations. if the same can be done with japanese occupation, why not? just imagine one day, taiwan make a film on 228 massacre which is still a taboo deemed by some. or in singapore's case, operation spectrum where 20 over catholics and professionals arrested by ISA for accusations of being communists but were neither proven guilty nor having any convincing suggestions of such even after decades. when our societies are that mature, then perhaps there won't be so much of denials and taboos.

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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 7 2011, 01:13 AM) *
that would depend on whether you would consider peranakans as equivalent to equivalent to chinese with no further context given. no doubt peranakans are passed as straits chinese, but there is a flaw in such labelling which ignore a significant or possibly dominant half. there are times where a mixed breed will be given a new name, such as mestizos, who ain't spaniards. you can also imagine if a white man who marry a black women, growing up in a black-predominant but white adminstrated society, with multiple early generations marrying black women, with their descendents grew up and educated in a western way. now for the final offspring. is he ethnically white? or is he ethnically black? or should we just come to terms and acknowledge of his mixed past that he had heritage from both and not discounting the dominant background, and more importantly, do not overide other people's identity based on our own wishful interpretation?

there are many ways to classify an ethnic group - going neutrally by maternal and paternal gene pool, going subjectively by physical appearances and cultural background, going practically by language and self-identity, or going by definitions made on you but defined by another state who had territorial disputes with you? in the above u said, you "consider your heritage" to be such and such, would you have imagine how it feels if you are ridiculed for your own identity and imposed on an identity which you cannot accept? how would you feel, assumptiously, if you are now considered to be a subset ethnicity under the malays?

there would be a lot of deep biases that will not be able to be rooted off, i'm sure, for many people. but these are just food for thoughts if you r an open person.

taiwan's culture is not suprisingly heavily influenced by the chinese, which is well expected after half a century of nipponificaiton and another half a centry of sinificiation which is still ongoing. just as singaporeans were forbidden to use own dialects in official media, taiwan underwent a further part once in their history that speaking their own languages in schools will be subjected to punishment in the form of fine, and in some cases, caning. a lot of taiwan's heritage are buried, and are still awaiting to be dug out.

on a lighter note, i just heard that a great film is coming. seediq bale, sounds nothing chinese, talks about the story of aboriginal taiwanese who are passive and unsuspecting towards colonialism but wrote a small chapter of heroic resistance when a turning event occurs when one of them offered wine to a japanese policeman as a friendly gesture but was in turn beaten up becos his hands are not considered clean enough. can't wait to lay my hand on the dvd.

both the political maturity of taiwan and singapore will be challenged one day when sensitive truths can be accepted and not denied by those who deemed themselves with guilty associations. if the same can be done with japanese occupation, why not? just imagine one day, taiwan make a film on 228 massacre which is still a taboo deemed by some. or in singapore's case, operation spectrum where 20 over catholics and professionals arrested by ISA for accusations of being communists but were neither proven guilty nor having any convincing suggestions of such even after decades. when our societies are that mature, then perhaps there won't be so much of denials and taboos.


Santaklaws, as detached from reality as ever. Taiwan province is some 98% ethnic Han. How do you sinicise and continue to sinicize a people who are already more sinic than those on the mainland? It is only the latter generations of confused individuals with idenity issues. Those who although never lived under Japanese colonialisation but yet somehow still speak Japanese. Case in point, badparticle.
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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 6 2011, 10:13 AM) *
on a lighter note, i just heard that a great film is coming. seediq bale,....


The main character Mona Rudao is played by Taiwanese 林慶台
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That looks like a cool movie!
QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 6 2011, 04:34 PM) *
The main character Mona Rudao is played by Taiwanese 林慶台

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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 6 2011, 11:13 AM) *
taiwan's culture is not suprisingly heavily influenced by the chinese, which is well expected after half a century of nipponificaiton and another half a centry of sinificiation which is still ongoing.

Santa....You were delusional about Korean's relationship with Manchus....Now you are delusional about Taiwanese culture?????

Taiwan's culture is not heavily influenced by the Chinese? What the fcuk are you talking about? Taiwanese local culture is actually more traditional Chinese than Chinese in China. Much of Chinese Fujian and Hakka superstitions, folklore worship, and religious practices survived the Japanese rules and escaped Chinese culture revolutions TWICE. (The May Fourth Movement of 1919/Cultural Revloution of 1966-1976)

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just as singaporeans were forbidden to use own dialects in official media, taiwan underwent a further part once in their history that speaking their own languages in schools will be subjected to punishment in the form of fine, and in some cases, caning. a lot of taiwan's heritage are buried, and are still awaiting to be dug out.

What a load of craps......It's DPP's typical propaganda to accuse KMT's language policy of the old as a discriminatory policy. But you, Santa, exaggerate the event to another level as if it was a culture genocide...In order to troll, you can go so low???? Do you have no shame?

The fact of matter is that KMT's dialect prohibition policy was to help promoting Mandarin as a common communication language between different ethnic populace in Taiwan. Mandarin itself was not a mother tongue of KMT remnants. The KMT remnants came from all over China with people speaking all kinds of Chinese dialects. Fujian dialects were not the only dialects discouraged to be spoken in schools. All other Chinese dialects were not welcome as well....

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on a lighter note, i just heard that a great film is coming. seediq bale, sounds nothing chinese, talks about the story of aboriginal taiwanese who are passive and unsuspecting towards colonialism but wrote a small chapter of heroic resistance when a turning event occurs when one of them offered wine to a japanese policeman as a friendly gesture but was in turn beaten up becos his hands are not considered clean enough. can't wait to lay my hand on the dvd.

lol.........There are plenty of Japanese-asss-kissing Holok TIers don't like this anti-Japanese film...



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both the political maturity of taiwan and singapore will be challenged one day when sensitive truths can be accepted and not denied by those who deemed themselves with guilty associations. if the same can be done with japanese occupation, why not? just imagine one day, taiwan make a film on 228 massacre which is still a taboo deemed by some.


What a fu-king idoit....A major film about 228 incident was produced and shown in the late 80s in Taiwan alreay. A 228 film has been shot. The government has apologized. The victims have been compensated. The monument and museum have been built. Hundreds of thousands of hours of 228 documentaries and lectures have been given in public. TIers and DPPers have been using 228 incident as an election tool in Taiwan for the past 20 years....

If anything, most Taiwanese are simply tired of 228 this and that....228 being a taboo in Taiwan????LMAO...Santa...you need to do more homeworks.....boy.

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Its no surprise that zoopiter would present wrong information. Although zoopiter may act level headed, he might as well be no different than trolls bc a. he makes a lot of assumptions that he obviously did not look in to and which were obviously largely influenced by reading forum posts and/or blogs and b. has some agendas that he won't admit to (not specifically about Taiwan's status but I won't get in to here) or perhaps not even personally aware of himself. Either way, he is no BurdenOfAges and no different than every other person here and I dare say no different than some trolls other than the approach he takes on his writing presentation.
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post Sep 7 2011, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 6 2011, 10:13 AM) *
...not denied by those who deemed themselves with guilty associations..



The nature of their loyalty to Chiang's KMT determines the extend of this sense of guilt, if there's any.

Chiang's KMT organized and functioned like a feudal clan similar to those from any period in Chinese history. Their loyal followers treated it as such and it behaved as such. When it was sucessful, it ruled like a Chinese dynasty, but when it failed it also failed miserably like a Chinese dynasty.

So it is very difficult now to solve their problem if we only look at 228 from a modern state's perspective.

228 wasn't violence from a modern state towards its citizens. It was revenge from a war clan towards the subjects of his defeated enemy, after the enemy has surrendered. The Taiwanese did not look like their own kind anyways. Similar event could very well have happened if Douglas MacArthur had sent Chiang's KMT army to occupy Kyushu Island.
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QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 7 2011, 11:16 AM) *
The nature of their loyalty to Chiang's KMT determines the extend of this sense of guilt, if there's any.

Chiang's KMT organized and functioned like a feudal clan similar to those from any period in Chinese history. Their loyal followers treated it as such and it behaved as such. When it was sucessful, it ruled like a Chinese dynasty, but when it failed it also failed miserably like a Chinese dynasty.

So it is very difficult now to solve their problem if we only look at 228 from a modern state's perspective.


Sense of guilt? LMAO.....Guilty of what? Just b/c KMT killed some local Taiwanese who rebelled against the government, the KMT remnants (aka 49ers) should feel guilty? hahahaha....Why so? When the 228 incident took place in 1947, the absolute majority of today's KMT remnants were still in mainland China fighting the Communists. Remember? Why are we called 49ers? b/c most of us relocated to Taiwan in 1949. So why should we, as the 49ers and the offspring of 49ers, feel guilty to something that had nothing to do with us?

If anything, I think the KMT government's apology and compensation were totally unnecessary. The 228 incident has been heavily politicized by the DPP to strip the power of the KMT and 49ers. That's why DPP followers were randomly throwing out all kinds of death tolls for the incident to maximize the quilt of the KMT. Some activists even pulled a number such as one hundred thousands of locals were killed by the KMT. But after years of investigations done by pro-DPP groups, the report has shown that the death toll was no where near one thousand.


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228 wasn't violence from a modern state towards its citizens. It was revenge from a war clan towards the subjects of his defeated enemy, after the enemy has surrendered. The Taiwanese did not look like their own kind anyways. Similar event could very well have happened if Douglas MacArthur had sent Chiang's KMT army to occupy Kyushu Island.

Duh..........If your kind did not revolt against the government and indiscriminately killing the government officials' wives and kids, why would the government responded with violence at the first place??? You gotta remember the 228 incident was not like that of South Korea's Kwangju massacre of 1979. The Kwangju massacre was a true anti-democracy massacre.

In contrast, the 228 incident was initiated by civilians' brutal violence against the government officials and their families. The 228 perpetrators were mostly consist of young Holok people who had been fully Japanized. When a dispute between a cigarette vendor and a police, it triggered civil disorder and open massacre of the government officials and their family members for more than TEN DAYS. I doubt any government (democratic or not) in the world will not respond with violence in that kind of situation. One of the major duties of the government is to maintain the order and safety of the society. Remember?

The reason the KMT government did not respond immediately was because Chaing Kai-Shek had too much trust in the head of Taiwan's government at the time, Chen Yi(陳儀). And Mr. Chen Yi had too much trust in Taiwanese locals. Chen Yi(陳儀) was educated in Japan and married a Japanese nobility (Kazoku 華族) He somewhat believed he understands Taiwanese locals b/c his personal relationships with Japanese nobility and his understanding of Japanese culture. He personally convinced Chaing Kai-Shek that there was no need to station a large sum of troops in Taiwan. But he failed to understand what 50 years of Japanese occupation could have done to Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity.

That's why Taiwanese locals had the chance to openly murder the government officials and their families for TEN DAYS after Feb 28 because at the time there were so few numbers of military and police present in Taiwan. And Taiwan administrative government had to request the Central Government in Nanking to deploy emergency military from the mainland to Taiwan.

Tell me if the KMT government did not treat and trust Taiwanese locals as their own kind, why would they deployed so few troops and police in Taiwan before the 228 incident???? Which dumbasss regime in the world would occupy a piece of land with civilian officers only???? 只有你們這種良心被狗吃了的福佬賤種才會如此黑白講。。。

So next time.....When you want to tell the story of 228, please tell the full story.....Not just the second half of the story where Taiwanese rebels were pacified.....Remember...Honest is the best policy...

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QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:50 PM) *
Which dumbasss regime..


It's not really about individual's iq or wealth. Collectively, Chiang's KMT was unfit to rule in the 20th century.

Afterall, we're talking about a medieval-style clan that got expelled by its own subjects in China. Not enough plundering in Taiwan could save this group from the rage of the Chinese people.

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QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 8 2011, 02:20 AM) *
It's not really about individual's iq or wealth. Collectively, Chiang's KMT was unfit to rule in the 20th century.

Afterall, we're talking about a medieval-style clan that got expelled by its own subjects in China. Not enough plundering in Taiwan could save this group from the rage of the Chinese people.


KMT's Plundering in Taiwan? lol

KMT's Plundering in Taiwan caused numbers of universities in Taiwan grew from 1 during the Japanese occupation period to more than 100 in year 2000.

KMT's Plundering in Taiwan caused the modernization and industrialization of Taiwan.

KMT's Plundering in Taiwan caused Taiwanese per capita income grew from $500 in 1950 to $10,000 in year 2000.




Let me tell you what is plundering in Taiwan....

Your beloved Holok-Chauvinit Democratic Progressive Party ruled Taiwan between year 2000-2008....

During the same period, Taiwanese per capita income actually dropped.

During the same period, Taiwanese industry became stagnant.

During the same period, foreign direct investment to Taiwan dropped to the lowest level in the recent decades.

During the same period, Taiwan central government began to accumulate national debts first time in 50 years.

During the same period, Taiwanese achieved the highest suicide rate in Taiwan history.

During the same period, your pro-independence president still had no guts to fulfill your independence dream.

During the same period, your beloved Holok president engaged in the most serious corruption in Taiwan history.






Seriously what did Holok people like your kind have accomplished in the past 400 years except getting ruled by others????

Seriously I think Holok people are just unfit to rule themseleves......lol

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QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
Taiwan's culture is not heavily influenced by the Chinese?


taiwan's culture is, not suprisingly, heavily influenced by the Chinese.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
What the fcuk are you talking about? ....
What a fu-king idoit.
只有你們這種良心被狗吃了的福佬賤種才會如此黑白講。。。


if u have to deliberately mispell words, it means you are not supposed to use it.
and if u had to use a language that not everyone understand, u probably had say something quite bad and are afraid of being banned for that.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
It's DPP's typical propaganda .... The fact of matter is that KMT's dialect prohibition policy


at first i thought u r going to deny the existence of such practice a generation ago.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
228 being a taboo in Taiwan????


nonetheless i'm waiting for a great epic movie on this theme, as good as seediq bale and 7 years in tibet.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
LMAO...Santa...you need to do more homeworks.....boy.


calling me by another person's name 1000 times will not change a thing. u can call me a boy, a fetus, an amoeba, doesn't matter either.
you say u r from taiwan but you are practicing the trick used by the regime of another country.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
Just b/c KMT killed...
I think the KMT government's apology and compensation were totally unnecessary.


your statements and tone above marks the reason why politicisation of this issue remains highly effective. until now, many chinese and overseas chinese still believe that japan had not truely apologise for WWII. not the fault of most japanese, but that some people in japan believes otherwise and makes remarks that created tension and doubts. it is sad that while most japanese had walk out of the historical scar, now someone else who was once victimised by such, wanted to follow these same footsteps.

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
228 incident was initiated by civilians' brutal violence against the government officials and their families.


yes, and i heard that USA is behind the 911 attacks themselves, that the japanese imperial army crosses the line becos they truely had a missing soldier and the nazi had done a good deal for the muslims by predicting the arab-israeli war and therefore acted on with the holocaust deemed justified by some.

come' on.... not another juicy conspiracy theory
but your version will sell very well opposite your country, if it was filmed a movie that way

anyway, a movie need to have a soul, a philosophy and something that gets people thinking, placing youself in the story, applying that in other situations, rather than to play on sentiments and distort history. i can't phantom why the response from the chinese media is less positive than others, but the trailer in the first link should be good enough to give u an idea of how good the film is... and hopefully after watching this movie, u will stop saying that this and that people are not allowed to rule themselves. perhaps u should also think about it in your own circumstance. food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blamf5Cpy8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZeL8PzmQi8

QUOTE (HotdogLotion @ Sep 7 2011, 11:28 AM) *
But he failed to understand what 50 years of Japanese occupation could have done to Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity.


But he failed to understand what 50 years of Japanese occupation could have done to Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity of being a subject of the manchu empire of qing before being ceded to japan, which therefore would not make them loyal to the chinese.

QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 7 2011, 11:16 PM) *
The nature of their loyalty to Chiang's KMT determines the extend of this sense of guilt, if there's any.

Chiang's KMT organized and functioned like a feudal clan similar to those from any period in Chinese history. Their loyal followers treated it as such and it behaved as such. When it was sucessful, it ruled like a Chinese dynasty, but when it failed it also failed miserably like a Chinese dynasty.

So it is very difficult now to solve their problem if we only look at 228 from a modern state's perspective.

228 wasn't violence from a modern state towards its citizens. It was revenge from a war clan towards the subjects of his defeated enemy, after the enemy has surrendered. The Taiwanese did not look like their own kind anyways. Similar event could very well have happened if Douglas MacArthur had sent Chiang's KMT army to occupy Kyushu Island.


his position is established from the era of chinese and manchurian warlords, and his answer to any problems are formed in such manner. do not expect him to be sun yat-sen or gandhi. if he knew he couldn't return to china and taiwanese isn't going to be the subset entity of his new-built nation, perhaps he would not had allowed such an event

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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 8 2011, 11:07 AM) *
taiwan's culture is, not suprisingly, heavily influenced by the Chinese.



if u have to deliberately mispell words, it means you are not supposed to use it.
and if u had to use a language that not everyone understand, u probably had say something quite bad and are afraid of being banned for that.



at first i thought u r going to deny the existence of such practice a generation ago.



nonetheless i'm waiting for a great epic movie on this theme, as good as seediq bale and 7 years in tibet.



calling me by another person's name 1000 times will not change a thing. u can call me a boy, a fetus, an amoeba, doesn't matter either.
you say u r from taiwan but you are practicing the trick used by the regime of another country.



your statements and tone above marks the reason why politicisation of this issue remains highly effective. until now, many chinese and overseas chinese still believe that japan had not truely apologise for WWII. not the fault of most japanese, but that some people in japan believes otherwise and makes remarks that created tension and doubts. it is sad that while most japanese had walk out of the historical scar, now someone else who was once victimised by such, wanted to follow these same footsteps.



yes, and i heard that USA is behind the 911 attacks themselves, that the japanese imperial army crosses the line becos they truely had a missing soldier and the nazi had done a good deal for the muslims by predicting the arab-israeli war and therefore acted on with the holocaust deemed justified by some.

come' on.... not another juicy conspiracy theory
but your version will sell very well opposite your country, if it was filmed a movie that way

anyway, a movie need to have a soul, a philosophy and something that gets people thinking, placing youself in the story, applying that in other situations, rather than to play on sentiments and distort history. i can't phantom why the response from the chinese media is less positive than others, but the trailer in the first link should be good enough to give u an idea of how good the film is... and hopefully after watching this movie, u will stop saying that this and that people are not allowed to rule themselves. perhaps u should also think about it in your own circumstance. food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blamf5Cpy8...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZeL8PzmQi8



But he failed to understand what 50 years of Japanese occupation could have done to Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity of being a subject of the manchu empire of qing before being ceded to japan, which therefore would not make them loyal to the chinese.



his position is established from the era of chinese and manchurian warlords, and his answer to any problems are formed in such manner. do not expect him to be sun yat-sen or gandhi. if he knew he couldn't return to china and taiwanese isn't going to be the subset entity of his new-built nation, perhaps he would not had allowed such an event


Please cite historical evidence. Is this the best Korea can do? Is this the type of IQ that Koreans have?
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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 8 2011, 11:07 AM) *
... Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity of being a subject of the manchu empire of qing ...


Our predecessors had no loyalty to any Chinese Dynasty, Manchu or not.
Not really loyal to the Japanese Empire either.

So the American seemed to know the Taiwanese pretty well.
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QUOTE (zoopiter @ Sep 8 2011, 12:07 PM) *
if u have to deliberately mispell words, it means you are not supposed to use it.
and if u had to use a language that not everyone understand, u probably had say something quite bad and are afraid of being banned for that.

Me afraid of getting banned? LOL…..
I wrote some lines in Chinese directly towards Mr. badparticle b/c it flows better. Translated version won’t be able to catch the true spirit what I intended to express….lol



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at first i thought u r going to deny the existence of such practice a generation ago.

Santa…You need to do better homework about Taiwan before you troll….Why would any KMT followers deny the 228 incident took place? It’s an election tool got abused by the DPP for 20 some years. The current trend in Taiwan is that more the DPP abuse the effect of 228, more they lose in elections….lol



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nonetheless i'm waiting for a great epic movie on this theme, as good as seediq bale and 7 years in tibet.

Instead of watching Seediq Bale and 7 years in Tibet, I suggest you writing a novel about the life struggle of a schizophrenia patient who spent 7 years in AF combating evil China Nazis day in and day out. You could name the title of movie “Santa Zoopiter & his 7 years in AF”…..LOL



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calling me by another person's name 1000 times will not change a thing. u can call me a boy, a fetus, an amoeba, doesn't matter either.

You blew your cover when Santa came out of no where to explain that his IP could look similar to yours…..LMAO…

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you say u r from taiwan but you are practicing the trick used by the regime of another country.

You(Zoopiter = Santa) knew too well that:
1) I first introduced myself to AF as a Taiwanese of Manchu ancestry from the very beginning since 7 years ago.
2)I have provided ample evidences to prove so.


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your statements and tone above marks the reason why politicisation of this issue remains highly effective.

Ya….Politicization of the 228 issue has long been linked to Taiwan’s Ethnic Politics. I would be lying if I say that the issue did not win some support for the DPP and pro-independence camp. But ethnic politics can only go so far in Taiwan because the majority of Taiwanese still know that KMT’s governance was largely fair and KMT’s contributions to Taiwan was hard to be wiped out simply by DPP’s propaganda. And idiotic DPP never noticed the change of public sentiment when they were incumbent between 2000-2008. They continued to abuse the issue of 228 and played ethnic politics to the point that the moderate voters who might have voted for the DPP were scared away by them....LOL….…..That’s why the DPP got crushed in 2008 presidential election. That’s also why the DPP had to hire a female scholar who used to work for the KMT to become the new chairperson of the DPP to change its barbaric image…..LMAO

A side note: Most of the hardcore DPP supporters are very much like Mr. badparticle. They love to self claim to be THE representative of all Taiwanese people. Badparticle's posts clearly shown this tendency. Surprisingly the DPP has never won more than 50% of votes in any Taiwanese election except once while the supposedly evil KMT has won many elections with over 50% of votes after democratization.....The moral of the story is that a VOCAL MINORITY such as Taiwan Independence supporters can mislead people's perception successfully.

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until now, many chinese and overseas chinese still believe that japan had not truely apologise for WWII. not the fault of most japanese, but that some people in japan believes otherwise and makes remarks that created tension and doubts. it is sad that while most japanese had walk out of the historical scar, now someone else who was once victimised by such, wanted to follow these same footsteps.

Like I said many times before, a certain faction of Hannara support base aka Korean Chinilpa and Taiwanese Independence supporters share very similar qualities and mentality. One is being hypocritical. The other is their common love to their spiritual motherland Japan…

Santa…….Your statement is once again showing the true color of Chinilpa in you……lol….



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yes, and i heard that USA is behind the 911 attacks themselves, that the japanese imperial army crosses the line becos they truely had a missing soldier and the nazi had done a good deal for the muslims by predicting the arab-israeli war and therefore acted on with the holocaust deemed justified by some.
come' on.... not another juicy conspiracy theory
but your version will sell very well opposite your country, if it was filmed a movie that way

Duh…..Santa…Apparently you really need to do more homework on Taiwan history……What I mentioned about public murders of the government officials and their family members for 10 days after the date of 228 is not some kind of conspiracy. It’s officially documented by various history records and eyewitness reports thru foreign press or priests in Taiwan at the time. The public investigative tribunal of 228 incident (largely consist of pro-DPP scholars ) in the recent years also published several hundred pages of final findings of the 228 incident. Although those 228 investigative scholars are largely pro-DPP and are partial to pro-independence clause, they did not deny the fact that there were open murders of the government officials and their family members during the 228 incident. They only differences is that they interpreted the senseless killings as part of justifiable uprising and attempted to downplay the first half story of the 228 incident while paying much of attention to the second half of the 228 incident where the KMT’s emergency troops landed on the port city of Keelung 10 days after the 228.



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anyway, a movie need to have a soul, a philosophy and something that gets people thinking, placing youself in the story, applying that in other situations, rather than to play on sentiments and distort history. i can't phantom why the response from the chinese media is less positive than others, but the trailer in the first link should be good enough to give u an idea of how good the film is... and hopefully after watching this movie, u will stop saying that this and that people are not allowed to rule themselves. perhaps u should also think about it in your own circumstance. food for thought.

So far…not only mainland Chinese media are giving the movie a bad review. Seediq Bale is getting pretty low screening scores among all other films participated in the Venice Film Festival….

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But he failed to understand what 50 years of Japanese occupation could have done to Taiwanese locals' loyalty and national identity of being a subject of the manchu empire of qing before being ceded to japan, which therefore would not make them loyal to the chinese.

Only Korean nationalists like your kind would masturbate with the idea that Manchu Empire of Qing is not a Chinese dynasty….LOL……Even a Manchu decent like me can’t agree with you…..

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Loser korean again.How can this topic possibly concern them?
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QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 8 2011, 06:59 PM) *
Our predecessors had no loyalty to any Chinese Dynasty, Manchu or not.
Not really loyal to the Japanese Empire either.

So the American seemed to know the Taiwanese pretty well.

Zooptier aint an American, but a Korean nationalist who wet his bed every night to see China breaking apart into little pieces.....lol
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QUOTE (badparticle @ Sep 9 2011, 06:59 AM) *
Our predecessors had no loyalty to any Chinese Dynasty, Manchu or not.
Not really loyal to the Japanese Empire either.

So the American seemed to know the Taiwanese pretty well.


ic. then u can reply that to hotdoglotion

added: there is supposed to be some sarcasm because the historical heritage of taiwan is in conflict with what he claims. there is no reason why japanese colonial rule is the main factor of affecting taiwanese sentiments to the chinese, since before that taiwanese are ruled instead by qing way before the late ming, and that is quite a large time gap.

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^Loser alert.
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ic. then u can reply that to hotdoglotion

I think you and badparticle should get a room....LMAO embarassedlaugh.gif
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