korean husband are still treat theri wives bad?, i hope korean girls have good husband. Options

[chicken_pot_pie]

chicken_pot_pie

I got 19 so far, you?

I got 21 so far, but this 22nd one just won't go down. I hit her in the head with a television and she is still standing.

By the way this shanghai chick linked this thread in the chinese section and talking about it there.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27838

They start stupid topics in other sections like this and talk about their chinese pride and how they're better than everyone else then wonder why "people hate the chinese WAH WAH" ( http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27134 ) Idiots.

This post has been edited by chicken_pot_pie: Jan 17 2005, 06:38 PM

[p-opp10]

Ok, normally I just lurk, but the stupidity of this topic drew me out.


Two points:

1) This is a troll-like thread. The originators of this discussion clearly have an agenda they are trying to push.

2) Spousal abuse is a serious problem in all nations. However, I doubt the situation is any worse in Korea than most nations.


In MAINLAND China, women suffer the HIGHEST suicide rate in the world.

Newsday (legitimate NY newspaper) reports:

"Violence against women [in China]- beatings, kickings, punches, slaps, verbal aggression, rapes - is common, according to activists, who are attempting to change laws to allow a woman to charge her abusive husband with a crime. Violence is prevalent in remote villages, rural towns and large cities, among the poor and the newly minted middle class, in farming families and among those who have earned doctorates abroad.....

There is no precise measure of the extent of violence against women across China, but a recent study of localities in three provinces found that ONE-THIRD of married women said they were abused by their husbands, and TWO-THIRDS of all women under 21 said they had been victims of violence...

Much of the violence committed against women is veiled from view by notions of tradition and custom, what is commonly called "mianzi," or face; it is the fear of "losing face," the disgrace of "losing face," that has kept violence against women closeted and has, according to a tiny but burgeoning effort by women's groups - lawyers, activists, social workers - made it difficult to expose."

Source: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wo...dnews-headlines


Even in the U.S., over 50% of wives have experienced physical abuse.
See http://www.brave.org/domestic1.htm

[Tomboy]

Ok, normally I just lurk, but the stupidity of this topic drew me out.


Two points:

1) This is a troll-like thread.  The originators of this discussion clearly have an agenda they are trying to push.

2) Spousal abuse is a serious problem in all nations.  However, I doubt the situation is any worse in Korea than most nations.


In MAINLAND China, women suffer the HIGHEST suicide rate in the world.

Newsday (legitimate NY newspaper) reports:

"Violence against women [in China]- beatings, kickings, punches, slaps, verbal aggression, rapes - is common, according to activists, who are attempting to change laws to allow a woman to charge her abusive husband with a crime. Violence is prevalent in remote villages, rural towns and large cities, among the poor and the newly minted middle class, in farming families and among those who have earned doctorates abroad.....

There is no precise measure of the extent of violence against women across China, but a recent study of localities in three provinces found that ONE-THIRD of married women said they were abused by their husbands, and TWO-THIRDS of all women under 21 said they had been victims of violence...

Much of the violence committed against women is veiled from view by notions of tradition and custom, what is commonly called "mianzi," or face; it is the fear of "losing face," the disgrace of "losing face," that has kept violence against women closeted and has, according to a tiny but burgeoning effort by women's groups - lawyers, activists, social workers - made it difficult to expose."

Source:  http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wo...dnews-headlines


Even in the U.S., over 50% of wives have experienced physical abuse.
See http://www.brave.org/domestic1.htm

Finally~ STATS!

[Gahwe]

Ok, normally I just lurk, but the stupidity of this topic drew me out.


Two points:

1) This is a troll-like thread.  The originators of this discussion clearly have an agenda they are trying to push.

2) Spousal abuse is a serious problem in all nations.  However, I doubt the situation is any worse in Korea than most nations.


In MAINLAND China, women suffer the HIGHEST suicide rate in the world.

Newsday (legitimate NY newspaper) reports:

"Violence against women [in China]- beatings, kickings, punches, slaps, verbal aggression, rapes - is common, according to activists, who are attempting to change laws to allow a woman to charge her abusive husband with a crime. Violence is prevalent in remote villages, rural towns and large cities, among the poor and the newly minted middle class, in farming families and among those who have earned doctorates abroad.....

There is no precise measure of the extent of violence against women across China, but a recent study of localities in three provinces found that ONE-THIRD of married women said they were abused by their husbands, and TWO-THIRDS of all women under 21 said they had been victims of violence...

Much of the violence committed against women is veiled from view by notions of tradition and custom, what is commonly called "mianzi," or face; it is the fear of "losing face," the disgrace of "losing face," that has kept violence against women closeted and has, according to a tiny but burgeoning effort by women's groups - lawyers, activists, social workers - made it difficult to expose."

Source:  http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wo...dnews-headlines


Even in the U.S., over 50% of wives have experienced physical abuse.
See http://www.brave.org/domestic1.htm

Shanghaibabe@Toronto would say..."No, that's a lie against great people like the Chinese. How can there be such horrible, barbaric and uncivilized crimes be committed by the most gentlemen(Chinese man) ever known in the world.
Don't believe what's written in the western medias, cause they are just propaganda to make China look bad.
Why i say this? Because i haven't seen anything like spousal beating, female suicides, etc,. while i was visiting China."

This post has been edited by Gahwe: Jan 17 2005, 08:49 PM

[k0r34n jjashik]

but shangaibabe has omnivision. She see's all!!

[BRAdJiPARk]

Dude, Most of you guys are talking about traditional Asian husbands that were around in the 50's and 60's. Most guys in their 20's getting married now are not like that.

[ZurichGrrl]

^what are they like now?please elaborate

[kpjoon]

chicken_pot_pie

I got 19 so far, you?

I got 21 so far, but this 22nd one just won't go down. I hit her in the head with a television and she is still standing.

By the way this shanghai chick linked this thread in the chinese section and talking about it there.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27838

They start stupid topics in other sections like this and talk about their chinese pride and how they're better than everyone else then wonder why "people hate the chinese WAH WAH" ( http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27134 ) Idiots.

I'm not surprised it was written in Chinese

[RiverPlate4Life]

Korean husbands don't treat their wives bad. In fact, Korean wives have the best life because they are pampered.

But with being pampered and being very well taken care of comes sacrifice of independence. Korean men are very domineering because they expect obedience for their providing of haven for their wives.

Korean men have so much sacrifice in them for their wives and children. Korean husbands are slaves to their family. All they ask for in return, is obedience.

Again, like everythign else in life, this is all a misunderstanding of epic proportions with everyone thinking Korean men treat women badly.

This post has been edited by RiverPlate4Life: Jan 17 2005, 09:46 PM

[BRAdJiPARk]

^what are they like now?please elaborate

They're just like ordinarily married ppl, who treat each other equally. Most of them do not beat up their wives.

[RiverPlate4Life]

Quite a lot of Korean men slap their wives, but they won't beat them. We're like Spaniards and Italians. Slapping is not beating. It's just letting her know she's crossed the line.

And no, I'm not joking. I've never hit a girl, but I think there's a huge difference between spousal abuse and slapping.

[Tomboy]

Yeah, everybody, no matter what gender, deserves a good slap once in a while..

[ZurichGrrl]

Quite a lot of Korean men slap their wives, but they won't beat them.  We're like Spaniards and Italians.  Slapping is not beating.  It's just letting her know she's crossed the line.

And no, I'm not joking.  I've never hit a girl, but I think there's a huge difference between spousal abuse and slapping.

you mean small slap on the arm or across the face?

[Gahwe]

Quite a lot of Korean men slap their wives, but they won't beat them.  We're like Spaniards and Italians.  Slapping is not beating.  It's just letting her know she's crossed the line.

And no, I'm not joking.  I've never hit a girl, but I think there's a huge difference between spousal abuse and slapping.

you mean small slap on the arm or across the face?

He probably means a light slap on the crouch.

This post has been edited by Gahwe: Jan 17 2005, 10:07 PM

[YManchun]

My dad never beat or slapped my mother around, even though he was a conservative traditional type. But when my siblings and I don't do hmwk or get in trouble, he would discipline us brutally. Then again my mom was like that too.

But today, things are better for women in Korea. Younger Korean men have become very liberal in their attitudes, there is still traditional beliefs of wives, but still much better then even 10 years ago.

[quan zixi]

Korean husbands don't treat their wives bad.  In fact, Korean wives have the best life because they are pampered.

But with being pampered and being very well taken care of comes sacrifice of independence.  Korean men are very domineering because they expect obedience for their providing of haven for their wives.

Korean men have so much sacrifice in them for their wives and children.  Korean husbands are slaves to their family.  All they ask for in return, is obedience.

Again, like everythign else in life, this is all a misunderstanding of epic proportions with everyone thinking Korean men treat women badly.

Yes i heard about this. "Heres your money, now suck mah d!ck b!tchhh!"

But hey, atleast live better than the wives in China.

[doozer3]

Great - nice to see the Chinazis or the intellectually-challenged dumbasses who make generalizations based on what they see in the media or on personal observations and hearsay haven't left this forum.

Based upon their logic, I guess all the Japanese women who are swooning over Corean men for being sweet, kind and gentle based on what they see on Korean soaps are correct in their assumption that Korean men are "better" mates than Japanese men.

I guess based on "The Joy Luck Club" and the complaints I hear from Chinese girls I know, I should believe that most Chinese men do nothing but beat and cheat on their wives.

I guess based upon the images that Americans see of Chinese (i.e. - William Hung) - I guess we Americans should all believe that the Chinese are short, ugly, buck-toothed nerds with bad hair.

Instead of making generalizations based upon media images or personal observations (which is WAY too limited to even come close to a legitimate poll) - why don't you morons (Caoyatian, keymaker, Shanghaibabe@Toronto) maked an INFORMED decision after doing some research and THOUGHTFUL analysis.

Domestic violence and the expectation of the woman to cater to the man has been prevalent in ALL patriarchical societies - be it Corea, Japan, the U.S. or CHINA).

Here's a compilation from a variety of sources (including Chinese govt. sources).
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Global Health Action (GHA)

China has also had a long-standing problem with domestic abuse. The All China Women's Federation reported that more than 90 percent of women in China have suffered some type of abuse. Due to their lowered status, women, especially those in the rural areas, are often provided fewer opportunities than men for receiving health education and are restricted to managing households and family affairs under the control of their husbands. Fear and shame many times keeps these women from seeking medical attention for their most urgent health needs. In 2001, a new Marriage Law passed by the Chinese government made domestic violence against women an illegal and punishable offense.

GHA will collaborate with the Heilongjiang Women's Federation, Heilongjiang Provincial Public Health Bureau and the Amity Foundation to address the issues of domestic abuse, HIV/AIDS infection and reproductive health among rural women in the Heilongjiang Province of China. GHA will deliver information and training courses to 35 of Heilongjiang's 69 County Level Health Managers (CLHMs) who then train the province's Primary Health Care Workers (PHCWs). Through these trainings, PHCWs will be able to support the changing health needs of the province's rural population. A total of 4,920 Primary Health Care Workers (PHCWs) will be trained in HIV/AIDS infection and female reproductive health and 1.62 million rural women will be educated in basic reproductive health, HIV/AIDS and domestic violence prevention.
Unhappy marriage and domestic violence are the two most prevalent problems plaguing today's Chinese women, according to the All-China Women's Federation (ACWF).

Domestic Violence - In China, domestic violence and breaking the law have long been considered two unrelated matters, as domestic violence is rarely an issue the public talks about. Beating wives and children is commonplace in many families and is considered "no one else's business".

Domestic violence is hidden and families' scandals are rarely admitted. Local police stations and neighborhood committees are usually reluctant to get involved. Official media reports: "… Like a plague, domestic violence has occurred in 30 per cent of 270 million Chinese families and about 100,000 marriages are broken each year due to domestic violence, according to statistics from the All-China Women's Federation. Family violence not only disturbs the harmony of families, but also threatens the stability of the society, experts said….". (China Daily/ Fighting domestic violence/ April 5, 2002). Studies and surveys found that domestic violence occurs also among the highly educated… Fear of "losing face" and "failure in life" through divorce are also among the motivations to stay in a violent relationship, while some simply blame themselves.

Women often cover up evidence of being beaten because of shame and lack of legal knowledge. In 2000, a national project was launched, aimed at encouraging national and local lawmakers to outlaw domestic violence and set up help agencies for victims. However, by the end of the year 2000, rape inside marriage as part of domestic violence was yet to be discussed in Chinese courts. China's amended Marriage Law (April 2001) outlawed bigamy and prohibited married people from cohabiting with anyone other than their spouses. But there is still no legal definition for domestic violence nor the prohibition of violence directed at women. Legislation (such as the constitution, the criminal law) lacks real legal provisions for punishment of family violence. On the other hand, over 20 cities and provinces have issued regulations or administrative decrees on domestic violence. These give the law-enforcing departments assistance in dealing with domestic violence cases.

According to sources with the All-China Women's Federation, 10 provinces, municipalities and autonomous regions have adopted laws and regulations to curb and ultimately bring a stop to domestic violence.
Changsha, capital of Central China's Hunan Province, is now seeing the improvements being brought about as a result of its introduction of China's first regulation on domestic violence in 1996.

According to a survey from the local women's federation there, complaint letters from local people reveal that there has been a decline in domestic violence.

Statistics indicate that among the complaint letters from Hunan Province to the federation in 1999, 30.7 percent were about family violence. In 2000, however, the figure declined to 18.5 percent, and further dropped to 13.3 percent last year.

The provinces of Sichuan in Southwest China, Liaoning in Northeast China, Shaanxi and Qinghai in Northwest China, Jiangsu in East China and the municipalities of Tianjin in North China and Chongqing in Southwest China have enacted detailed regulations against domestic violence.

Yet it remains one of the most serious problems facing women and children in the country. Recent statistics reveal that some 20 percent of Chinese families are still troubled by different forms of home violence, according to a Xinhua News Agency report.
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Gee, I see that the Chinese are no different from the rest of the world where it is estimated that about 1 out of 3 women have experienced domestic abuse.

But not only domestic violence, it seems that many Chinese women also have to fear about getting AIDS from their male counterparts (not to mention the infanticide or abandonment of female babies).

I don't understand why you are so worried about Corean women when there is PLENTY to be worried about for Chinese women.

Are there Corean men who are abusive - sure there are - but not any more than any other traditional male-dominated society (at least Corean girls have the "fire" to kick-@$$ back, unlike others who just take it).

And, if anything, domestic violence tends to be more prevalent among the lower-class and uneducated population (and especially since financial duress is often the flash point) which China has WAY more than Corea (even on a % basis).

Plus, if Corean men were so horrible - why did 14,000 Chinese women marry Corean men in 2003?

[doozer3]

Double post.

This post has been edited by doozer3: Jan 18 2005, 02:15 AM

[The Mao Mao army]

Chinese husbands are better!

[guizi]

Korean husbands don't treat their wives bad.  In fact, Korean wives have the best life because they are pampered.

But with being pampered and being very well taken care of comes sacrifice of independence.  Korean men are very domineering because they expect obedience for their providing of haven for their wives.

Korean men have so much sacrifice in them for their wives and children.  Korean husbands are slaves to their family.  All they ask for in return, is obedience.

Again, like everythign else in life, this is all a misunderstanding of epic proportions with everyone thinking Korean men treat women badly.

Korean men have no hair on their balls.