South Koreans may have Indian genes Options

[Infinite Justice]

"M shows up everywhere (because it's the source lineage) and can't be used as a marker of anything."

M is a superhalopgroup, or the 'trunk'; and by M* (notice the asterisk?) I was indicating its sub-haplogroups, which work better than Y-Chromosome data because its nomemclature has been standerdized longer. India and China contain different sub-haplogroups; excluding the northeast Indian tribes who are of more recent Mongoloid origin.

"The "southern" component actually shows its greatest in the Tungusic and Mongol tribes. It's the same two beachcomber lineages found in Australian Aboriginals, Ainu, and negritos, Papuans..."

That does not imply a direct relationship, it just means some population in Siberia retained the original mutations.

"Both F and B had had a more northerly distribution. B is present in significant amounts in the Americas."

B is extremely rare in Siberia but found at high frequencies in the Pacific and south China.

"Wrong. What they have found more and more is that there was two migrations, both from Beringia."

Native American male lineages are said to be from 'middle' Siberia and the crania data supports a Caucasian connection. Females lineages are mainly 'Asian': Mongoloid, and sometimes 'Oceanic' aka negrito.

"However, to say that Chinese agricultural expansion accounts for how Koreans and Japanese look is absurd, particularly when they look more arctic than Chinese do."

You cant be foolish enough to compare ALL Chinese to a small population of Koreans?

Just look at how these "artic" Koreans appear so much like those 'Indians'.



And you said Koreans are homogenous. LOL. Judging from the last pic they are 50/50 hybrids between Jomon (Indian looking) and coastal Chinese Mongoloids. Espcially the one on the left, you think that is attractive?

Where are those pure Chinese girls when you need them...

"The neo-Mongoloid look must've developed somewhere in the north, in Siberia, prior. Unambiguously "Mongoloid" fossils only show up around 7000 B.C. in Baoji. Prior, the skulls somewhat resemble Ainus, such as the Upper Cave 101 skull."

Wrong, try again dumbass. The crania found in Siberia and Mongolia around 10kya are all Ainu-like, Paleo-Caucasian or whatever you want to call it. The skull in UC 101, found in northeast China(Beijing, near Korea, hint), is similar to them but is just a little more "Austro". While the FULLY, COMPLETELY MONGOLOID remains are found in NORTH CENTRAL CHINA (Shaanxi, home of Sinic civilization, expansion, hint). Can you put 2 and 2 together now?

This post has been edited by chynagongju: Jul 2 2005, 11:18 AM

[flipcombatmedic]

Really? This came from the economictimes website? is that the same as the economy magazine they publish or something totally different...

It's just more of the Hindu-centric bull$hit that Indian newspapers publish. According to Hindu/Aryan supremecists, they also taught Chinese Kung Fu. I can go on and on about the idiocy of the Indian nationalists. They're on the same level as Afrocentrists and Nordicists.

i did hear that chinese buddhist monks, got kung fu from buddhist exercises.

[onepairofpant]

"M shows up everywhere (because it's the source lineage) and can't be used as a marker of anything."

M is a superhalopgroup, or the 'trunk'; and by M* (notice the asterisk?) I was indicating its sub-haplogroups, which work better than Y-Chromosome data because its nomemclature has been standerdized longer. India and China contain different sub-haplogroups; excluding the northeast Indian tribes who are of more recent Mongoloid origin.

"The "southern" component actually shows its greatest in the Tungusic and Mongol tribes. It's the same two beachcomber lineages found in Australian Aboriginals, Ainu, and negritos, Papuans..."

That does not imply a direct relationship, it just means some population in Siberia retained the original mutations.

"Both F and B had had a more northerly distribution. B is present in significant amounts in the Americas."

B is extremely rare in Siberia but found at high frequencies in the Pacific and south China.

"Wrong. What they have found more and more is that there was two migrations, both from Beringia."

Native American male lineages are said to be from 'middle' Siberia and the crania data supports a Caucasian connection. Females lineages are mainly 'Asian': Mongoloid, and sometimes 'Oceanic' aka negrito.

"However, to say that Chinese agricultural expansion accounts for how Koreans and Japanese look is absurd, particularly when they look more arctic than Chinese do."

You cant be foolish enough to compare ALL Chinese to a small population of Koreans?

Just look at how these "artic" Koreans appear so much like those 'Indians'.




And you said Koreans are homogenous. LOL. Judging from the last pic they are 50/50 hybrids between Jomon (Indian looking) and coastal Chinese Mongoloids. Espcially the one on the left, you think that is attractive?

Where are those pure Chinese girls when you need them...

"The neo-Mongoloid look must've developed somewhere in the north, in Siberia, prior. Unambiguously "Mongoloid" fossils only show up around 7000 B.C. in Baoji. Prior, the skulls somewhat resemble Ainus, such as the Upper Cave 101 skull."

Wrong, try again dumbass. The crania found in Siberia and Mongolia around 10kya are all Ainu-like, Paleo-Caucasian or whatever you want to call it. The skull in UC 101, found in northeast China(Beijing, near Korea, hint), is similar to them but is just a little more "Austro". While the FULLY, COMPLETELY MONGOLOID remains are found in NORTH CENTRAL CHINA (Shaanxi, home of Sinic civilization, expansion, hint). Can you put 2 and 2 together now?

well some koreans look irish too



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This post has been edited by chynagongju: Jul 2 2005, 11:18 AM

[skat3r]

"M shows up everywhere (because it's the source lineage) and can't be used as a marker of anything."

M is a superhalopgroup, or the 'trunk'; and by M* (notice the asterisk?) I was indicating its sub-haplogroups, which work better than Y-Chromosome data because its nomemclature has been standerdized longer. India and China contain different sub-haplogroups; excluding the northeast Indian tribes who are of more recent Mongoloid origin.

"The "southern" component actually shows its greatest in the Tungusic and Mongol tribes. It's the same two beachcomber lineages found in Australian Aboriginals, Ainu, and negritos, Papuans..."

That does not imply a direct relationship, it just means some population in Siberia retained the original mutations.

"Both F and B had had a more northerly distribution. B is present in significant amounts in the Americas."

B is extremely rare in Siberia but found at high frequencies in the Pacific and south China.

"Wrong. What they have found more and more is that there was two migrations, both from Beringia."

Native American male lineages are said to be from 'middle' Siberia and the crania data supports a Caucasian connection. Females lineages are mainly 'Asian': Mongoloid, and sometimes 'Oceanic' aka negrito.

"However, to say that Chinese agricultural expansion accounts for how Koreans and Japanese look is absurd, particularly when they look more arctic than Chinese do."

You cant be foolish enough to compare ALL Chinese to a small population of Koreans?

Just look at how these "artic" Koreans appear so much like those 'Indians'.




And you said Koreans are homogenous. LOL. Judging from the last pic they are 50/50 hybrids between Jomon (Indian looking) and coastal Chinese Mongoloids. Espcially the one on the left, you think that is attractive?

Where are those pure Chinese girls when you need them...

"The neo-Mongoloid look must've developed somewhere in the north, in Siberia, prior. Unambiguously "Mongoloid" fossils only show up around 7000 B.C. in Baoji. Prior, the skulls somewhat resemble Ainus, such as the Upper Cave 101 skull."

Wrong, try again dumbass. The crania found in Siberia and Mongolia around 10kya are all Ainu-like, Paleo-Caucasian or whatever you want to call it. The skull in UC 101, found in northeast China(Beijing, near Korea, hint), is similar to them but is just a little more "Austro". While the FULLY, COMPLETELY MONGOLOID remains are found in NORTH CENTRAL CHINA (Shaanxi, home of Sinic civilization, expansion, hint). Can you put 2 and 2 together now?

I say they are of Negrito/Jomon/Mongol appearance who are related to the type 94 prime apes.

They must've evovled some 50 million years ago during the triassic period


Take note of the Neanderthal skull shape

The Paleolithic population must've moved from Africa across the asiatic contient some 80 million years ago with the ZX chromozone



Here we have the chimp evolution theory which can be assorted by the variables of 6sx+8hu=56dfg

This chart proves the mongrel admixture over 600 000 years ago.


Now we can see the articism evovolved through Y chromozone times the splitting of string theory which predicts not one yes you heard me not one but five different dimensions to the human DNA makeup.

This post has been edited by chynagongju: Jul 2 2005, 11:18 AM

[guizi]

About 3 million years ago, a major Ice Age began when the sea level dropped enough to expose the Isthmus of Panama, which blocked the Atlantic-Pacific connection, "creating a conveyor belt of cold salty water that sinks near the Arctic 0cean and goes back south, instead of carrying heat to the Arctic Ocean.

Australopithecus lived in transitional woodlands near trees, because with no stone weapons and no fire, trees were the only way Australopithecus could avoid the lions. The ice age killed the trees, and with the trees gone, the lions killed Australopithecus. Homo, smart enough to defend itself with fire and stone, could live on the ground. Homo's intelligence required a large brain, which meant difficult childbirth and a long dangerous childhood. Homo's survival required couples to mate for life to care for their few children over a long childhood."


The 50,000 year-old Cheju footprints are 8.4 by 10 inch in size (note the hammer in the photo for comparison) and show sharp details of the heels, medial arches and balls. In addition to the human footprints, the sedimentary fossil rocks contain footprints of elephants, horses, deer. and birds as well as remains of fish, mollusks and sea plants.

This Ice Age 'forced' evolution of humanoids into homo erectus. This evolutionary process took millions of years and the early humans came into being about two and half million years ago in Africa. Homo erectus prospered in Africa, Europe and Asia until about 340,000 years ago when a cosmological event, the Geminga supernova, triggered another major ice age that lasted about 10,000 years. During this Ice Age, Neanderthals appeared and began to replace homo erectus.
The early humans inhabited the Korean peninsula: recently, 300,000-year old human fossils were discovered in a lava bed in the Whang-hae Province of Korea. A DNA test of the fossils showed the bones were of a woman, a teenager, and a toddler. It is probable that they were caught in a volcanic eruption. It is not clear if these victims were homo erectus or Neanderthals.



By about 25,000 ago, the harsh climate had decimated the homos and only small tribes survived in warm pockets along Lake Baikal and other bodies of water in Siberia, India, China, Africa and the Near East. In addition, some tribes survived in the Altai mountains. These homos are called the "paleoasiatics", who were stone-tool users. Later these Peleo-Neo-Lithic tribes were overwhelmed by Bronze-Age tribes from the Altaic region.

Lake Baikal is thought to be the oldest lake of the world (about 30 million years old) and it is fed by over three hundred rivers and more importantly by hot springs, which shielded Baikal from glaciations. It was an oasis for various life forms during the Ice Ages.



Lake Baikal is the the 'Jewel' of Siberia. It is the largest body of fresh water in the world and its surface area is about one third of South Korea. The lake sits on a large rift in the earth crust which is still expanding at about 2 cm per year. Most of the 2,500+ species of plants and animals of Lake Baikal are not found anywhere else. The rich pants and animal life in and near Lake Baikal had kept our forefathers alive amidst of harsh frozen desert that surrounded the Lake 10,000 or so ago. Today, the Briat Autonomous Region of the Russian Republic control Lake Baikal. The Briat people's culture, language and physique are strikingly similar to those of the Korean people.

As the glaciations receded in Europe, the sea level rose gradually and by 15,000 year ago, the East Asia Lowlands became submerged and their inhabitants migrated to India, Indochina, China, Japan, and Korea. It is believed that the Korean race is a mix of the Altaic, the Lake Baikal, and the East Asia Lowlands (the Jomon people - the ancestors of today's Ainus of Japan) tribes.



DNA tests show that today's humans descended from about 100 distinct ancestors, which support the Wurm near-extinction theory described above. Genetics experts agree that mitochondria DNAs are transmitted unchanged from mother to female offspring and that one's genealogy can be traced back many generations.

DNA tests show that Koreans are about 15% of South Pacific origin (the Jomon people) and the rest attributes of the Mongolian stock from the Baikal region. The South Pacific 'contamination' is more prominent among the Koreans in southern regions - in particular, the Cheju Island. It is believed that the Jomon people and the nomadic tribes left Africa 35,000 - 89.000 years ago, in two general directions, south and north, respectively, and they merged again in Korea, Japan and China some 10,000 years ago.

The origin of the Korean people can be inferred from linguistics. The Korean language belongs to the Altaic language root, which has three language subgroups - Turkic, Mongolian, and Tungusic. The Korean language belongs to the Tungusic subgroup. The Tungusic subgroup branches out further into Han and Puyo dialects. The Altaic tribes began to migrate to Manchuria and Korea about 6,000-7,000 years ago. Paleo-Siberians inhabited these lands prior to the Altaic migrants came from Lake Baikal region. The Puyo language was spoken in Manchuria (Koguryo, Yemaek, Puyo, and Okcho). and the Han language in Korea (Sam Han). The two languages mixed and merged as nations merged over the years and have become the Manchu and the Korean languages, related but distinct. Some linguists believe that the Korean language contains some elements of the Dravidian-Jomon language, which claim supports the DNA analysis cited above.


The next Ice Age began about 160,000 years ago and lasted about 30,000 years. Europe was under glaciation. unfit for human habitation at the time and the migration of the humans went from Africa to Asia through the Near East. The glaciations shrank and expanded numerous times over the millennia. In the current epoch, the glaciation expanded during 45,000-75,000 years ago, and during this period, the sea level dropped sharply, so much so that Asia and America got connected, allowing animals and humans to migrate from Asia to America

[hi-head]

Hey that was good informative read. However i have to disagree that korean belongs to the Tungusic subgroup, because according to ancient chinese texts, the manchus and koreans spoke quite different languages. Some anthropologists categorize korean in one of the ambiguous subbranches of altaic, perhaps because the language transformed itself so remarkably due to dravidian/jomon mixes, political situations and the rise and fall of kingdoms, as well as chinese influence through the introduction of many chinese vocabulary words. Today korean is even more different than ever from tungusic languages because the nation was so isolated from its northern neighbors. But still korean has a lot of similarities with manchu, because manchurians intermixed and dwelled within korean kingdoms very extensively. Thousands of years ago, before the puyo speakers pushed south from baikal, manchurians lived in northern korea and most of manchuria. Eventually the puyo speakers swelled into the region, and their kingdoms conquered the manchurian village-states. So in essence manchurians and koreans have a very intricate and extensive historic relationships, but we were always distinct from them(for example they were semi-agricultural while puyo/han were full-agricultural. Also manchurians wore primitive animal skin and leather, while puyo people were known to wear white cotton clothing(this continues to be koreans' favorite casual wear into last century).
Basically the korean language is a finalized product of various mixes, giving clue to the ethnical foundations of korean people. The mixes and influences that made the korean language into a unique hybrid are, in order of largest influence, dravidian/jomon, han, puyo, manchurian, chinese, turkish. As you can see, four of the six major components to korean language are altaic, which is why korean is viewed to be an altaic language, although it does not entirely fit into that group due to the other languages mentioned. If you look at ancient korea words, lot of them are from altaic but abandoned as chinese vocabulary replaced some of them. Today english is adding a whole lot to the language.

Now that i really believe that Lake Baikal is the important homeland of korean ancestry, it is added to my list of must-visits. Dont you all think that it's worth a visit to the spiritual objective?

[RiverPlate4Life]

Cool, I'mma name my child Tonto Park.

[ZurichGrrl]

I highly doubt that
just think in the stupidest most pseudoscientific way:a stereotypic indian looks the opposite of what a stereotypic korean looks like

[onepairofpant]

I highly doubt that
just think in the stupidest most pseudoscientific way:a stereotypic indian looks the opposite of what a stereotypic korean looks like

:genius: that!

This post has been edited by onepairofpant: Jan 24 2005, 01:41 AM

[ksurf3rgrl]

wth, did I ever tell you to use my pic?

Infinite Justice, prismknight7 whoever you are.. please take it down, now.

This post has been edited by ksurf3rgrl: Jan 24 2005, 07:48 AM

[Infinite Justice]

Nuclear and Mitochondrial DNA Analysis of a 2,000-Year-Old Necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/jour...5013/35013.html

DNA was extracted from the skeletal remains of 62 specimens excavated from the Egyin Gol necropolis, in northern Mongolia.... This burial site is linked to the Xiongnu period and was used from the 3rd century B.C. to the 2nd century A.D.

The necropolis is located in the Egyin Gol valley near the Egyin Gol river, 10 km from its confluence with the Selenge, a main tributary of Lake Baikal...The valley's position is -49° 27 N, 103° 30 E,...

...A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu sequences can be classified as belonging to an Asian haplogroup (A, B4b, C, D4, D5 or D5a, or F1b), and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups (U2, U5a1a, and J1). This finding indicates that the contacts between European and Asian populations were anterior [earlier] to the Xiongnu culture, and it confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century B.C. Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002).

[User1]

Look PrismKnight7, you know more than you know before, which at least is a good thing because I don't have to talk to a retard anymore.

I was indicating its sub-haplogroups, which work better than Y-Chromosome data because its nomemclature has been standerdized longer.

Where THE fu-k did you get that from retard? Certainly not from a scientists.
mtDNA doesn't mutate as fast, nor is it as specific, and it doesn't have as many markers to work with, simply because it is not as big or as complexed as a human chromosome. mtDNA is mitochondrial DNA, originally from bacteria trapped inside bigger cells billions of years ago. So actually it doesn't work better than Y-Chromosome. And this is from Spencer Wells, one of the most eminent geneticists around.

All these Asian mtDNA are from Asia. Which one is associated with "Caucasians"? How does any of the pictures you showed look "Caucasian"? Get a fu-king life, with claiming any of us Asians look like you. Are you that sad and desperate?
I'll update as I go along with your idocy.

Native American male lineages are said to be from 'middle' Siberia and the crania data supports a Caucasian connection. Females lineages are mainly 'Asian': Mongoloid, and sometimes 'Oceanic' aka negrito.

Where is this source? What data supports a Caucasian connection? There were Indo-Europeans around 5,000 thousand years ago in Mongolia, but THAT WAS AFTER THE ICE AGE, AFTER NATIVE AMERICANS WENT INTO THE AMERICAS< AFTER YOUR AUSTRALOID-LOOKING SELVES WERE GRACILIZED BY THE CRO-MAGNON PUSHED DOWN BY THE ICE AGE.

Upper Cave specimens date from 26,000 to 10,000 years ago. And Japan had been continously inhabited since 30,000. Moderns only reached into Europe around then and they looked more Mongoloid then Middle Eastern, and people in the Middle East looked like Australoids back then. How the fu-k did "Caucasians" appear out of somewhere all of a sudden to look like Koreans? You dumb Caucasian fu-k.

Around the time there were people in Beringia, you guys were still Australoid-looking.
DIRECT QUOTE FROM PAPER:

"late-Pleistocene Australians (~15,000) ally with contemporaries from Europe (southern) and North Africa"

page 20 of the paper by Etler, you can also find it in Brown or any other paleo-Anthropologist. You guys looked like Australoids as late as right before the end of the Ice Age:
http://www.chineseprehistory.org/annualreview.pdf


The resemblance still uncanny:


When Native Americans went into the Americas, Siberia was covered by glaciers. How the fu-k did a bunch of proto-Caucasian Australoids trek from the Middle East into Beringia?

This bull$hit about Jomon, Indians, and hairy Middle Eastern types in Siberia and whatnot from this PrismKnight7 idiot... It doesn't even fit the time scheme. What a retard. With a name like Setzer Gabbani, what are you . Italian? While, you're an Australoid.


What kind of a fu-king retard is this??? Sounds just like Skadi retards. How do these Korean women look Indian or Ainu???
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Wrong, try again dumbass. The crania found in Siberia and Mongolia around 10kya are all Ainu-like, Paleo-Caucasian or whatever you want to call it. The skull in UC 101, found in northeast China(Beijing, near Korea, hint), is similar to them but is just a little more "Austro". While the FULLY, COMPLETELY MONGOLOID remains are found in NORTH CENTRAL CHINA (Shaanxi, home of Sinic civilization, expansion, hint). Can you put 2 and 2 together now?

And your suorce?
There hasn't been any complete crania found in Siberia after 26,000 or before the end of the last glacial maximum, and none in Eastern Siberia, and the ones found in Western Siberia all had pre-Mongoloid features.
As for Ainu being paleo-Caucasoid, hehe well so are Australoids and Polynesians, who also cluster with you. Liujian below, southern China, is supposedly Negrito. All looked like your folks 15,000 years ago before you were gracilized by you know who.

Polynesian (Mongoloid and Papuan admixture) just like how the semi-Mongoloid Cro-Magnon mixed with Middle Eastern Australoid-lookin people to create you.


This Australian Abo looks like Middle Eastern/Caucasian people 15,000 years ago. And of course both resemble the Ainu. You guys all retained the plesiomorphic primitive look of early people out of Africa, until you were gracilized by the more selected (in the harsh environment north), Cro-Magnon semi-Mongoloid-lookin people.



This post has been edited by chynagongju: Jul 2 2005, 11:16 AM

[User1]

Peace. Love. Hippee $hit.

This post has been edited by User1: Jun 22 2005, 10:01 PM

[Preydominator]

User1, is it necessary to call him a retard? I've much respect for your knowledge, and from my bystander point of view, you're already winning the discussion. I don't know your history with PrismKnight7, I'm kinda new here on this forum, but I think making it personal is non desirable. Leave it out, plz, you don't need it to win a discussion.

[User1]

Peace. Love. Hippee $hit.

This post has been edited by User1: Jun 22 2005, 10:00 PM

[Preydominator]

Yeah, but for new forum goer like me and many here, it's confussing. Leave it out man.

[PervertBurger]

LOL @ using surfer girl's pic for as some kind of evidence

[Infinite Justice]

"So actually it doesn't work better than Y-Chromosome. And this is from Spencer Wells, one of the most eminent geneticists around."

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~d...erpretation.htm

There have seen at least seven (7) systems in use in the scientific community for defining and naming Haplogroups. These various systems, which assigned different names to Haplogroups, often led to confusion. Depending on which system was utilized in the literature you read, Haplogroups had different names and definitions. To solve this problem, the Y Chromosome Consortium [2002] developed a new system to name Haplogroups and subgroups.

Wells is a poster boy, and by eminent you must mean he grabs the attention of Northeast European fetishists like you.

"mtDNA doesn't mutate as fast, nor is it as specific, and it doesn't have as many markers to work with, simply because it is not as big or as complexed as a human chromosome."

mtDNA have been globally prefered for human population genetics. If you want genetic markers that mutate fast, then check out HLA, "the fastest functionally evolving loci in humans".

"...your people became gracilized by the Cro-Magnon when he was succesively pushed down by ice ages: Lineage M89, still predominates in the Middle East"

Oversimplistic and ambiguous migration maps do not clarify morphology or "racial" affinty. Y Haplogroups in Europe and other areas that Caucasians inhabit have an assortment of markers that originated in the "West"; there is absolutely no evidence that a population from Siberia [and be specific where in Siberia] traveled to Europe and dramatically contributed to the phenotype of modern Europeans. Current Y-Chromosome studies are general and are rarely specific about a particular location as a point of origin, especialy in a place as vast as Siberia. Opposite to what you spout; crania and even Y-Chromosome (when interpreted correctly with mtdDNA) data support a northen West to East migration pattern. This does not imply Cro-Magnon man is the ancestor of Native Americans. But that over long periods of time; prior to the LGM up to recent times; people of Western origin, who might vary in morphology and the more recent they are the more they resemble modern Europeans/Middle Easterners have INDEED traveled to Mongolia, Korea, China, Japan, and the New World. Contrarty to what you believe, people labeled as 'Caucasian' do not need to be white skinned blue eyed,blonde Nordics or even swarthy Arabs, but all of them are related by ancestral and recent connections, and even some groups with relatively recent African contribution are also labeled as Caucasian. Even your gay crush Spencer Well's cant refute the fact that Central Asia was first inhabited by Caucasians, and the area east of it was a meeting point between Mongoloids and Caucasians, and somewhere in that mess arose the Turks, whose western branch is premodimately Caucasian (in phenotype and genetic).

"There were Indo-Europeans around 5,000 thousand years ago in Mongolia, but THAT WAS AFTER THE ICE AGE, AFTER NATIVE AMERICANS WENT INTO THE AMERICAS< AFTER YOUR AUSTRALOID-LOOKING SELVES WERE GRACILIZED BY THE CRO-MAGNON PUSHED DOWN BY THE ICE AGE."

Migration towards the "far east" tooks place for tens of thousands of years (that's why its difficult to trace), and their contribution into East Asia is not uniform and aggravated by long periods of isolation, which is what happened to the Ainu. Gracialization arose independently in both the west and the east, including Australia, therefore it cannot be used as an indication of admixture. In north West Eurasia admixture with Mongoloids occured recently, and some of the people's obvious Mongoloid-looking phenotype is not due to "Cro-Magnon" once again.

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Diversity of Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups in Ethnic Populations of the Volga–Ural Region
http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Bermisheva2002.pdf

The mtDNA polymorphism was analyzed in eight ethnic groups (N= 979) of the Volga–Ural region. Most mtDNA variants belonged to haplogroups H, U, T, J, W, I, R, and N1 characteristic of West Eurasian populations. The most frequent were haplogroups H (12–42%) and U (18–44%). East Eurasian mtDNA types (A, B, Y, F, M, N9) were also observed.... The frequency of mtDNA types characteristic of Siberian and Central Asian populations substantially increased in the ethnic groups living closer to the Urals, a boundary between Europe and Asia. Geographic distances, rather than linguistic barriers, were assumed to play the major role in distribution of mtDNA types in the Volga–Ural region. Thus, as concerns the maternal lineage, the Finno-Ugric populations of the region proved to be more similar to their Turkic neighbors rather than to linguistically related Balto-Finnish ethnic groups.

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The Mongoloid appearence of groups around that region is obvious, now. But here's another bit, the rare Y (a sub-haplogroup of N*) Hap is also found, and its a Hap that premodimates in the Ainu. Even though its labeled as an East Eurasian mtDNA type, it does not belong to genuine Mongoloid groups.

As for V mtDNA...

A Signal, from Human mtDNA, of Postglacial Recolonization in Europe
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Pereira2005.pdf

Mitochondrial HVS-I sequences from 10,365 subjects belonging to 56 populations/geographical regions of western Eurasia and northern Africa were first surveyed for the presence of the T->C transition at nucleotide position 16298, a mutation which has previously been shown to characterize haplogroup V mtDNAs. All mtDNAs with this mutation were then screened for a number of diagnostic RFLP sites, revealing two major subsets of mtDNAs. One is haplogroup V proper, and the other has been termed “pre*V,” since it predates V phylogenetically. The rather uncommon pre*V tends to be scattered throughout Europe (and northwestern Africa), whereas V attains two peaks of frequency: one situated in southwestern Europe and one in the Saami of northern Scandinavia. Geographical distributions and ages support the scenario that pre*V originated in Europe before the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), whereas the more recently derived haplogroup V arose in a southwestern European refugium soon after the LGM. The arrival of V in eastern/central Europe, however, occurred much later, possibly with (post-)Neolithic contacts. The distribution of haplogroup V mtDNAs in modern European populations would thus, at least in part, reflect the pattern of postglacial human recolonization from that refugium, affecting even the Saami.

There is no supposedly "Cro-Magnon" connection from Siberia that penetrated Europe, instead the data shows an ancestral link, or an early "wave" that exists in oulying populations and is less than 5% of the European/Caucasian genetic makeup.

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"while saying that good-looking Asians are mixed with "Caucasian"."

No, I never said hybrids were good looking. I prefer actual pure Mongoloids from some places in China, and even a few from Korea.

"Yes, there is sufficient West Eurasian mtDNA in Siberians, but that was 3,000 thousand years ago you stupid fu-k, with the onset of the Indo-European expansion, which was way after Native Americans, Mongoloids, Koreans and whatnot."

The common West Eurasian (ie Europe) lineages found in East Asia are recent. Im refering to "Caucasian/Western" migration that predates them, that is why you must look for alternate sources, like crania, mtDNA N*, Y, X, and HLA.

"What kind of a fu-king retard is this??? Sounds just like Skadi retards. How do these Korean women look Indian or Ainu???"

Their features are not truly Mongoloid, the girl on the left resembles a "primitive" Caucasians (Indian looking) in some ways, while the one on the right looks like a more "modern" Caucasian so she looks Persian. That pics is from the movie Wet Dreams 2 by the way. Even the site you posted supports my comments:

http://www.chineseprehistory.org//maps.htm

"The most important specimens, consisting of three complete skulls and other skeletal remains, were discovered at the Upper Cave at Zhoukoudian in the 1930s."

"The Upper Cave remains have been said by some to show closer affinities to Upper Paleolithic Europeans rather than living Chinese."

Notice they didnt say modern Europeans.

This post has been edited by Infinite Justice: Jan 24 2005, 01:36 PM

[onepairofpant]

give it up, you got owned

koreans dont look indian

seriously, who would say such a thing before this article got published?

[User1]

mtDNA have been globally prefered for human population genetics. If you want genetic markers that mutate fast, then check out HLA, "the fastest functionally evolving loci in humans".

Y-Chromosome is totally different from HLA. Y-Chromosome is unambiguous, being passed down from father to son. The mutations are good because it locates specific population patterns. As for HLA, it mutations/variations in blood to put it to your simple mind, which can't be used to do $hit.

Stop wasting my time. Your southern Europeans/Australoid-admix @$$ is a joke.

Oversimplistic and ambiguous migration maps do not clarify morphology or "racial" affinty. Y Haplogroups in Europe and other areas that Caucasians inhabit have an assortment of markers that originated in the "West"; there is absolutely no evidence that a population from Siberia [and be specific where in Siberia] traveled to Europe and dramatically contributed to the phenotype of modern Europeans.

These people reached Eastern Europe first, before your Middle Eastern @$$ did, so who is more of a European? Saddam or the Finn, who's Tat-C lineage is basically brother to the average Chinese? Is it a coincidence that Finns have the highest rates of Blondism?

This post has been edited by User1: Jan 24 2005, 01:40 PM