Nationalism feeds the ego, How should we find meaning in life? Options

[Chan-Ho]

-The universe is infinite to our perception.

-What we perceive as real is an illusion.

-Everything we consider as "real" is made of one fundamental "thing". This thing is energy.

-Nothing in the universe is permanent or independent. There is no absolute anything. The only absolute is energy and its dynamism.

-Everything in the universe is raw energy self-organizing into patterns at different levels of scope.

-What seems random at a "micro-scale" is organized at a "macro-scale."

-Fractals are a very good example of the concept.

-In fact, our very consciousness is simply energy condensed into a pattern within a certain perceptual scope.

-The universe itself is conscious and can be turned into any level of consciousness depending on what patterns its energy conformed to.

-Underneath our "perception" of reality, there is no separation, objects, meaning, interpretation, or any other construct of the mind.

-Nothing that we know of in this reality applies in "real" reality.

-Our mind creates "our reality" from formless energy by processing pieces of it according to a set of rules and then attaching subjective meaning.

-Everyday we live in this illusory reality, we are guided by our ego, the attachment to meaning and interpretations. We live in ignorance of the bigger picture. We believe in things that have absolutely no importance in real "reality."

-This ignorance is fundamentally attached to the concept of "I".

-Every thought we have says "I". Every breath we take says "I". Every motivation we have says "I". Every belief we hold says "I". In fact, the very act of our current existence says "I". Every second of everyday, you're being automatically says "I".

-This "I" attaches itself to illusory meaning. This "I" craves validation. This "I" gains pleasure and suffering based on superficial falsehoods. This "I" seeks to hide you from the truth.

-But what happens when you ask yourself... "who am I"? Not in a logical way, but in an intuitive way, where you really try to "feel" what's underneath all your interpretations of "I."

-"Who am I?"..........

-"Who am I?"...........

-"Who am I?"...........

-Ask yourself this question from the depth of your heart... and what happens?

-You feel a sense of fear. Why? Because your very identity, your mental crutch, your comfort-zone starts to lift away. The very outline of your body starts to disappear. Everything you believe about yourself shows its superficiality. You start to become one with the universe. Your ego grows increasingly uncomfortable.

One by one, as each "I" is removed, the illusion begins to lift off you. You realize:
-Everything you attach meaning to is false.
-Everything you identify with is false.
-Every validation you seek is false.
-Every interpretation you have is false.
-Every belief you hold is false.
-Every problem you suffer from is false.
-Your entire existence the way you see it is false.

With the illusion gone, you now understand the truth.
-Everything is connected. There is no separation between you and the universe. When you look at a rock, another person, etc, you are looking at yourself.
-Nothing in your life is permanent. In fact, everything you see and know will change rapidly as your existence is nothing but a tiny spec in the evolutionary time of the universe.
-Everything you see around you is created from nothing and will return to nothing.
-Nothing is ever created or destroyed in the Universe. The essence of your energy will be recycled when you die. (Not in a spirit type of way)
-Your only purpose is to experience.... which is neither good or bad... and then to return to nothingness once again, as you always have, in a never ending cycle beyond comprehension.

-As you dissolve your ego, the "I", meaning, attachment, and interpretation, you unleash ultimate creativity and potentiality within yourself.

-You no longer play the slot machine to receive moments of happiness every time you win. You now own the slot machine and can create moments of happiness in any moment of your experience.

-The way you feel is no longer attached to anything, but your own creations. You finally will have control over how you feel. You will become truth.

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: Aug 6 2011, 04:26 PM

[samnang]

[fivers]

Chan-Ho is that why you didn't make a K-Pop thread, to break the never ending cycle?

[orange peel]

oh man, going through a nhilist philosophical phase eh

[Chan-Ho]

oh man, going through a nhilist philosophical phase eh

Haha... I've always been this way, but the degree in which it has been influencing my life has never been greater.

Thanks for that definition by the way... never knew "nihilism" was the word to describe how I see things.

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: Aug 6 2011, 04:31 PM

[orange peel]

NP, i'm like that too but i try not to think about it cuz its always so depressing

[Chan-Ho]

NP, i'm like that too but i try not to think about it cuz its always so depressing

Not necessarily!

On the contrary, it gives you unlimited potential to create meaning in any way you wish and thus, control your own happiness! Absolute meaning does not exist and therefore, you empower your own ability to create subjective meaning beyond the restrictions of your ego.

I guess I'm an optimistic, agnostic, rationalistic, idealistic, nihilist. lol.. something like that. Or maybe I should create a new word to describe the way I see things.


Reading abit more... I guess I'm not a pure nihilist. Only partially.

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: Aug 6 2011, 05:04 PM

[VJDay]

Yes, Korea should just reunify, then become nationalistic, not before. Otherwise, it's counterproductive, and seem like insecurity rather than pride in nation.

This post has been edited by VJDay: Aug 6 2011, 09:48 PM

[KaptainAmeriKa]

Bush likes it up LMB's cooch

[Chan-Ho]

Yes, Korea should just reunify, then become nationalistic, not before. Otherwise, it's counterproductive, and seem like insecurity rather than pride in nation.

Bush likes it up LMB's cooch

C'mon guys.. read my post again... it's time to cast off nationalism. This false idea that we extract fleeting moments of pain and pleasure from. It's time to embrace the globalized 21st century. We are all beings of light and energy. We need to transcend to a higher level of consciousness for the betterment of all mankind.

I have spent many years protecting the Korean identity from trolls... now I want to fight my own nationalism. It's a fraud.. a fake. A reason to divide... to hate... to wish ill... to be greedy...

Once you kill nationalism... you free your awareness.... your creativity. If I continue to post here on AF, it's no longer as a Korean, but as an human being humbly speaking of new ideas. It's time to move above nationalism. I'll take the lead!

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: Aug 7 2011, 03:09 AM

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

Read Kropotokins works.

[fivers]

C'mon guys.. read my post again... it's time to cast off nationalism. This false idea that we extract fleeting moments of pain and pleasure from. It's time to embrace the globalized 21st century. We are all beings of light and energy. We need to transcend to a higher level of consciousness for the betterment of all mankind.

I have spent many years protecting the Korean identity from trolls... now I want to fight my own nationalism. It's a fraud.. a fake. A reason to divide... to hate... to wish ill... to be greedy...

Once you kill nationalism... you free your awareness.... your creativity. If I continue to post here on AF, it's no longer as a Korean, but as an human being humbly speaking of new ideas. It's time to move above nationalism. I'll take the lead!

Chan-Ho !! did some sect members ring your doorbell to show you the light?!? or did you find a non-korean g/f...

[DOUBLEMINT]

Wow.totally didnt expect this from chan-ho.Maybe he just found out he was actually adopted from another asian country.^___________^

This post has been edited by DOUBLEMINT: Aug 7 2011, 08:00 AM

[layersuck]

seriously reading the OP make want to say something. Ego that make us different our selfishness vs attempt to be good is a struggle everyday. There is nothing wrong to be I and I in each day of our life. lets be individual we wish or try to be, imagine if we don't feed our ego and forsaken it, is there any different not living at all?

The irony is that realization of this OP exactly that created major upheaval in human history.

[fivers]

Wow.totally didnt expect this from chan-ho.Maybe he just found out he was actually adopted from another asian country.^___________^

yeah adopted from China hahaha lol

[zoopiter]

yeah adopted from China hahaha lol

if you keep your principles, it doesn't matter where u r from.

one of my favorite photographer, reza from iran
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/field/explorers/reza/

[KaptainAmeriKa]

Bush likes it up Chan's cooch

[Chan-Ho]

seriously reading the OP make want to say something. Ego that make us different our selfishness vs attempt to be good is a struggle everyday. There is nothing wrong to be I and I in each day of our life. lets be individual we wish or try to be, imagine if we don't feed our ego and forsaken it, is there any different not living at all?

The irony is that realization of this OP exactly that created major upheaval in human history.

Why waste life to struggle? You only want to live a life you've been conditioned by society to think you want. What do you want? Wealth? Power? Children? To be appreciated? Lots friends and family to validate how amazing you are? To be superior to others? Are these things YOU really want? Or does society condition you to want these things since you were born? Are these things real? When you were born, is there anything special about you, other than the fact that you were pure consciousness... just like everyone else? Did you want these things then?

If you were born in a native american tribe 1000 years ago, what would you want then? Money, wealth, power? Would such wants even exist? Would they be possible? No.. These are all fake things that you've been conditioned to believe by TODAY'S society.

So you struggle all your life to achieve these fake things. And in the end, you suffer and struggle for fleeting moments of TEMPORARY happiness. Working so hard to achieve things that society told you you should want. But what you really lost was your life. You spent your life struggling. Wishing and working for something that isn't real. Hoping that one day you would be happy. And when you die, you take none of these fake things with you. You return to the source, just like everyone else.

You could have had happiness anytime you wanted. Without struggle, right now, in this moment... for the rest of your life. But instead, you feed the ego hoping that one day it might give you fake happiness... hoping one day all your struggles will pay off... That is a wasted life my friend.

This post has been edited by Chan-Ho: Aug 8 2011, 01:03 AM

[KaptainAmeriKa]

Maybe if you stopped forcing your silly ideology ChanHo. Everyone deserves what they want. Not you pointing silly fingers how to be.

[layersuck]

Why waste life to struggle? You only want to live a life you've been conditioned by society to think you want. What do you want? Wealth? Power? Children? To be appreciated? Lot's friends and family to validate how amazing you are? To be superior to others? Are these things YOU really want? Or does society condition you to want these things since you were born? Are these things real? When you were born, is there anything special about you, other than the fact that you were pure consciousness... just like everyone else? Did you want these things then?

If you were born in a native american tribe 1000 years ago, what would you want then? Money, wealth, power? Would such wants even exist? Would they be possible? No.. These are all fake things that you've been conditioned to believe by TODAY'S society.

So you struggle all your life to achieve these fake things. And in the end, you suffer and struggle for fleeting moments of TEMPORARY happiness. Working so hard to achieve things that society told you you should want. But what you really lost was your life. You spent your life struggling. Wishing and working for something that isn't real. Hoping that one day you would be happy. And when you die, you take none of these fake things with you. You return to the source, just like everyone else.

You could have had happiness anytime you wanted. Without struggle, right now, in this moment... for the rest of your life. But instead, you feed the ego hoping that one day it might give you fake happiness... hoping one day all your struggles will pay off... That is a wasted life my friend.

my point is not happiness obtaining that is as illusionary. Yearning for happiness or yearning for peace? i yearn for my curiosity be fed, i yearn to strive materialistic wealth use it for my interest, i yearn for good food and happy loving family. In the end i be at peace even if fall i know i did my best. Those fake things i left behind is for my descendant the glory or disgrace for them to learn from.

Funny things is i think we actually living in someone mind. We actually observing the universe in the micro scale. What if we can totally get out from it look back at it in macro scale.