London people are rioting over a suspected gang member/drug dealer, death. Options

[MiCC]

Violence, drugs, a fatal stabbing and a most unlikely martyr

Semone Wilson has not yet told her children that their father is dead. ‘How do I explain to them that their daddy is gone?’ she says.

Such a task would be traumatic enough for any mother, but especially so for Miss Wilson.

Her fiance, Mark Duggan, was travelling in a minicab in North London on Thursday evening when it was stopped by officers from Scotland Yard’s Operation Trident, who specialise in fighting black-on-black gun crime.

The officers were armed with Heckler & Koch submachine guns and there was an apparent ‘exchange’ of fire. Moments later Duggan was dead.

He and Miss Wilson, both 29, had been together since they were 17. They had two sons aged ten and seven, and a baby daughter.

‘Mark was a good dad,’ says Miss Wilson, a student at Middlesex University. ‘He loved his kids dearly. He idolised them.’

Maybe he was. Perhaps he did.

His family and friends claim he was unarmed and have demanded ‘Justice for Mark’.

But the man whose violent death triggered the Tottenham riots at the weekend makes an unlikely martyr.

On the streets of the Broadwater Farm estate, where Mark Duggan grew up, he was also known by another name: ‘Starrish Mark’.

It sounds like an innocent nickname; it was anything but. In fact, the word ‘Starrish’ denoted his membership of a notorious ‘crew’ called The Star Gang who strut the streets of London’s N17.

The stock-in-trade of such ‘postcode’ gangs is violence, intimidation and, more often than not, drugs.

Duggan himself, according to some residents, was a crack cocaine dealer who routinely carried a gun.

It was an argument over a woman and drugs, they say, that resulted in the death of his cousin Kelvin Easton, 23, who was stabbed through the heart with a broken champagne bottle at the Boheme nightclub in Bow, east London, in March this year.

‘Duggan was paranoid about what happened to his cousin,’ said one local. ‘He had a gun to protect himself because of what happened to Kelvin.’

So much for Mark Duggan being a ‘well respected member of his community’, as he is described on a memorial website.

That respect was underpinned by fear.
Inferno: Duggan's death sparked riots throughout Tottenham which proved incredibly destructive

Inferno: Duggan's death sparked riots throughout Tottenham which proved incredibly destructive

Police: Officers had numerous show-downs with protestors angry at Duggan's death

Police: Officers had numerous show-downs with protestors angry at Duggan's death

Violence: These youths are shown using aerosol cans to set fire to shops' shelves

Violence: These youths are shown using aerosol cans to set fire to shops' shelves

The Star Gang is an offshoot of Tottenham’s ‘Man dem’ gang which has links with Jamaica’s ruthless Yardie gangsters.

Back in the late Nineties, ‘Man dem’, whose ‘territory’ included Broadwater Farm (where Duggan grew up, remember), controlled dozens of ‘crack houses’ and its psychopathic members or ‘soldiers’, as they styled themselves, were believed to be behind countless shootings, robberies, kidnappings and gangland killings.

The leader was one Mark Lambie, who police suspected was implicated in the murder of PC Keith Blakelock, hacked to death by a mob during the infamous riot on Broadwater Farm in 1985. Lambie was just 14 at the time.

He was eventually jailed for 12 years in 2002 for other gang-related crimes (which involved torturing two rivals with a hammer and an electric iron, and pouring boiling water over their genitals).

The Star Gang is understood to have been formed after Lambie was locked up.

Can there be any doubt that Mark Duggan, the loving father and ‘respected’ member of the community, was involved in this chilling sub-culture? Not really.
Burnt: A police car used as a road-block was completely destroyed by a gang of rioters

Burnt: A police car used as a road-block was completely destroyed by a gang of rioters

Aftermath: Shops were destroyed and pavements strewn with rubbish on the morning after the riots

Aftermath: Shops were destroyed and pavements strewn with rubbish on the morning after the riots

Emergency: Firemen were working all day to bring burning buildings under control

Emergency: Firemen were working all day to bring burning buildings under control

One photo circulating the internet shows Duggan making a ‘gangsta’ gun pose with his fingers. In others, he is wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the words ‘Star Gang’.

How grimly predictable that there is a link, through gang membership, between Mark Duggan – focus of the Tottenham riots of 2011 – and the murder of PC Blakelock during similar riots 26 years ago.
MURDERED PC BLAKELOCK AND THE ECHOES OF 1985

Stabbed to death: PC Keith Blakelock

The eruption of violence in Tottenham is a chilling echo of the infamous Broadwater Farm riots 26 years ago in which PC Keith Blakelock was hacked to death.

The disorder on October 6, 1985, was sparked by the death of 49-year-old Cynthia Jarrett after four police officers burst into her home.

Mrs Jarrett’s son Floyd was in custody at Tottenham police station after allegedly giving officers a false name over a car tax disc.

The ensuing police raid sparked panic in his household on the Broadwater Farm estate and Mrs Jarrett, who had a weak heart, collapsed and died.

The next day a small crowd gathered in protest outside the police station – much like the demonstration over the shooting of Mark Duggan by police.

Tensions spilled over into violence when the police station windows were broken and at 3.15pm, two officers were attacked and seriously injured as the gathering mob began to launch bricks and gunfire broke out.

By the time riot police arrived to support firemen after a blaze broke out at a newsagent's, the mob had put up barriers and prepared petrol bombs.

As police were forced back, PC Blakelock, 40, tripped and fell.

He was surrounded and hacked to death by masked rioters wearing balaclavas and wielding sticks, knives and a machete.

Winston Silcott, Mark Braithwaite and Engin Raghip were convicted of the Blakelock killing in 1987 but cleared on appeal.

Outside the North London semi where Duggan’s parents Vincent and Pamela and younger brother Marlon, 27, live, there is further proof of the world Mark Duggan inhabited.

One of the messages left among the floral tributes refers to ‘Gang N17 Farm’ (a rival postcode gang).

Indeed, Operation Trident officers had Duggan under surveillance amid fears he was planning to avenge the death of his cousin Kelvin Easton. He was about to be arrested when he was fatally injured.

Moments earlier, he had phoned his fiancee Semone Wilson.

‘I spoke to him at about 5pm [on Thursday] and he asked me if I would cook dinner and I said “Yes”, she told the Mail.

‘At about 6pm he sent out a message on his BlackBerry saying “the Feds are following me”, and that’s it, the last time anyone heard from him.

‘By 6.15, he had been gunned down.

‘I kept phoning and phoning to find out where he was. He wasn’t answering. I didn’t know what had happened.’

Later, she received a phone call from his brother.

‘Marlon phoned me and told me what had happened,’ she said. ‘I didn’t believe it. I kept phoning Mark, then everyone was phoning me. Then I thought it must be true because I still hadn’t heard from him.’

Miss Wilson says she and Duggan, who also had a fourth child from another relationship, were planning to get married. She said she did not recognise the picture of Mark as a ‘gangster’.

‘Mark was known to police but he had never been sent down for anything before. He has been on remand. I can’t remember what for, but it was about nine years ago.

‘I believe that if he had a firearm [on the evening he died] and if he saw police he would run rather than shoot. When he was remanded last time, he said he hated jail and never wanted to go back there. I can’t see why he would have a gun on him at all.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...ly-martyr.html#

This post has been edited by MiCC: Aug 8 2011, 12:13 AM

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

Yeah, sorry he aint no Amadou Diallo, who was mirked by beat cops for pulling out his wallet.
Homie was smoked by a Task Force, that speaks volumes.

[samnang]

the uk sounds dangerous as hell.

there's all those stories about random act of senseless stabbings (or "knifings", as they call it) and $hit.

i feel safer here america cuz even though there's mexicans gangbangers all about, i'm at least allowed a gun and can fight back.



This post has been edited by samnang: Aug 8 2011, 11:40 AM

[togepi]

the uk sounds dangerous as hell.

there's all those stories about random act of senseless stabbings (or "knifings", as they call it) and $hit.

i feel safer here america cuz even though there's mexicans gangbangers all about, i'm at least allowed a gun and can fight back.

It is the poor areas that have problems.

Most people in England live in safe areas and don't need to own a gun, which is such a barbaric thing to keep.

Crime is much higher in the US than in Western Europe.

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

It is the poor areas that have problems.

Most people in England live in safe areas and don't need to own a gun, which is such a barbaric thing to keep.

Crime is much higher in the US than in Western Europe.

How can a Firearm be barbaric?
People are barbaric not tools like firearms.
Also you better check that crime rates again their buddy because the UK has more crime per capita.

[AsiaticGlory]

Western European countries like England and France are proof that diversity has failed.

YourMuDoIsWeak is right. Firearms are not barbaric. They are just tools for self-defense and/or hunting.

[Creme Femme]

Let this be a warning to Asian countries to not embrace diversity and multiculturalism! Why don't the British vote BNP already?

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

Western European countries like England and France are proof that diversity has failed.

YourMuDoIsWeak is right. Firearms are not barbaric. They are just tools for self-defense and/or hunting.

Wow so PC of you. I will just be blunt and say Firearms are tool of death and/or destruction.
Much like the Sword. If you want to think deeply about it here.

"The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him." -Musashi Replace sword with sword with firearm and cut with kill and you have made the quote pertinent to this day and age's warrior class.

Let this be a warning to Asian countries to not embrace diversity and multiculturalism! Why don't the British vote BNP already?

Ahh come on you dont have to be sarcastic. BNP are fascist goons.

[ComradeDeki]

Western European countries like England and France are proof that diversity has failed.

The issue is more police brutality than multi-cultural issues. Besides, a lot of the violence has moved on to chavs and other hooligans aside from blacks.

[Creme Femme]

The issue is more police brutality than multi-cultural issues. Besides, a lot of the violence has moved on to chavs and other hooligans aside from blacks.

In the photos, it seems that 90% of the rioters are either black or asian (south asian, middle eastern)!

Who else can stop the UK from mass immigration and social engineering other than the BNP? The English are engineering the own degeneration of their society!

This post has been edited by Creme Femme: Aug 9 2011, 09:20 AM

[ComradeDeki]

In the photos, it seems that 90% of the rioters are either black or asian (south asian, middle eastern)!

Who else can stop the UK from mass immigration and social engineering other than the BNP? The English are engineering the own degeneration of their society!

Initially, a great deal rioters have been black because the riots started in the black Briton communities, but that doesn't change anything. Many of the looters and arsonists, regardless of race are simply taking advantage of the situation to have their way.

Mass immigration isn't the sole reason for the alleged problems of multi-culturalism. It is mostly due to the failure to integrate minority groups into British society that keeps the tense gap between the majority and minority. BNP can't do much to solve this problem aside from mass deportations. Also, you shouldn't point out at specific groups of people from the Asian minority. There aren't that many East Asians and SE Asians in Britain in general.

Also, Sikh Indians and Gurkhas will be more British by heart than the chavs will ever be.

This post has been edited by ComradeDeki: Aug 9 2011, 02:53 PM

[samnang]

london should probably go ahead and cancel the 2012 olympics.

edit: dammit, even fu-kin birds are getting in on the looting



This post has been edited by samnang: Aug 9 2011, 09:59 AM

[YourMuDoIsWeak]

london should probably go ahead and cancel the 2012 olympics.

edit: dammit, even fu-kin birds are getting in on the looting

I actually saw a shot with a story about that bird lol.
Its not his first offense lol.

[samnang]

pics of looters:

http://catchalooter.tumblr.com/

another gallery with HQ pics:

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/08...-london/100124/

my favorite pic. gat dayum, dem hips!



This post has been edited by samnang: Aug 9 2011, 10:22 AM

[Creme Femme]

Initially, a great deal rioters have been black because the riots started in the black Briton communities, but that doesn't change anything. Many of the looters and arsonists, regardless of race are simply taking advantage of the situation to have their way.

Mass immigration isn't the sole reason for the alleged problems of multi-culturalism. It is mostly due to the failure to integrate minority groups into British society that keeps the tense gap between the majority and minority. BNP can't do much to solve this problem aside from mass deportations. Also, you shouldn't point out at specific groups of people from the Asian minority. There aren't that many East Asians and SE Asians in Britain in general.

Also, Sikh Indians will be more British by heart than the chavs will ever be. It has been that way since the days of the Empire.

Maybe there is trouble with integration because the majority of the british don't really want the immigrants there. If that's the case, then the government should listen to them.

[Creme Femme]

pics of looters:

http://catchalooter.tumblr.com/

another gallery with HQ pics:

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/08...-london/100124/

my favorite pic. gat dayum, dem hips!

Notice in the photos that most of the looters are non-indigenous English while most of the volunteer clean up crew is indigenous English.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

lol @ non indigenous English. political correctness is hilarious.

[togepi]

Most of these looters that are taking advantage of lenient policing are British Black people who live in the undesirable inner city ghettoes. This is not a failure of 'multiracial society' many of those affected are ethnic minorities, the people out on the streets of London to clear up the mess today were from all racial communities.

This is a failure of society which has for a long time allowed these sorts of people to fester and waste away on the periphery of civil society with little political or economic power, further exacerbated by austerity public spending cuts which have led to many community services being closed. Youth unemployment and income inequality is at an all-time high, these kids are not well-educated and have not had good parenting to guide them through life, they feel as if there is nothing there for them: they have resorted to crime.

These are not justifications for these criminal activites but the socioeconomic undercurrent of events which has fanned tensions in certain inner-city communities.

This post has been edited by togepi: Aug 9 2011, 12:44 PM

[ktoast]

Distressing video of a group of thugs stealing from a Malaysian student. [Crosspost]

This post has been edited by ktoast: Aug 9 2011, 01:38 PM

[Jarhier]

lmao