London people are rioting over a suspected gang member/drug dealer, death. Options

[samnang]

apparently the police are useless as fu-k. no water cannons, no tear gas, no rubber bullets. they just have tiny litte batons.

so people are going vigilante.



edit: aw damn, this gif is actually from vancouver.

This post has been edited by samnang: Aug 9 2011, 05:42 PM

[Mid-Night_Sun]

lmao he got crashed on

[Jagger]

In the photos, it seems that 90% of the rioters are either black or asian (south asian, middle eastern)!

Who else can stop the UK from mass immigration and social engineering other than the BNP? The English are engineering the own degeneration of their society!

Then you must be blind. I don't see any Asians (whether East, South, West, or whatever) rioting or looting in London. The only groups of people I see doing all the looting and rioting are black and white teenagers in hoodies.

Notice in the photos that most of the looters are non-indigenous English while most of the volunteer clean up crew is indigenous English.

That's a very poor observation. Most of the rioters/looters are clearly black and white. On the other hand, it's the South-Asian and Middle-Eastern ethnic minority groups, specifically the Turkish, Bangladeshi and Punjabi communities, that are actually doing the most to keep order on the streets. While the limited police forces are stretched too thin and most of the "indigineous" white English folks are too scared to take on the looters/rioters, it's the ethnic minorities (specifically Muslims and Sikhs) that are actually taking those thugs head-on and chasing them down the streets. It's also worth noting that the Muslims are fasting this month since it's the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, so their hunger would make them extra pissed-off at these thugs. The Muslim and Sikh areas are still relatively safe compared to most other areas of London because they're standing their ground. If only the "indigineous" white English population would show the same kind of guts to defend other local areas in the same way...

apparently the police are useless as fu-k. no water cannons, no tear gas, no rubber bullets. they just have tiny litte batons.

so people are going vigilante.



edit: aw damn, this gif is actually from vancouver.

A couple of ethnic minority communities in London have started taking up vigilantism to defend their local areas:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime...ts-2334910.html

The Turkish and Bangladeshi communities of East London have inspired other communities to also take up vigilantism. Even in my own local area, I joined up with other local lads to form our own vigilante groups, and we started walking around our local area in case the thugs attack. Many of the local shopkeepers here also stood guard outside their shops. Thankfully, this was enough to keep the thugs away. Whenever we did see a few thugs in hoodies, they'd just flee whenever they saw us. By the end of the day, these thugs are just cowards who only attack the weak.

Also, the riots are no longer just limited to London, but have spread across the whole of England. While the riots here in London have seemed to cool down a bit today (but you never know when it will heat up again), the riots in other cities like Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, etc. have gotten worse. It really is England's worst riots in the last few decades. And what's worse is that these are riots without any cause. It's simply all about mindless materialism at its worst, with criminal opportunists doing what they're doing just for thrills and wanting to get their hands on the latest shoes, clothes, TVs, DVDs, games, etc.

This post has been edited by Jagger: Aug 9 2011, 08:42 PM

[Creme Femme]

Then you must be blind. I don't see any Asians (whether East, South, West, or whatever) rioting or looting in London. The only groups of people I see doing all the looting and rioting are black and white teenagers in hoodies.


That's a very poor observation. Most of the rioters/looters are clearly black and white. On the other hand, it's the South-Asian and Middle-Eastern ethnic minority groups, specifically the Turkish, Bangladeshi and Punjabi communities, that are actually doing the most to keep order on the streets. While the limited police forces are stretched too thin and most of the "indigineous" white English folks are too scared to take on the looters/rioters, it's the ethnic minorities (specifically Muslims and Sikhs) that are actually taking those thugs head-on and chasing them down the streets. It's also worth noting that the Muslims are fasting this month since it's the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, so their hunger would make them extra pissed-off at these thugs. The Muslim and Sikh areas are still relatively safe compared to most other areas of London because they're standing their ground. If only the "indigineous" white English population would show the same kind of guts to defend other local areas in the same way...


A couple of ethnic minority communities in London have started taking up vigilantism to defend their local areas:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime...ts-2334910.html

The Turkish and Bangladeshi communities of East London have inspired other communities to also take up vigilantism. Even in my own local area, I joined up with other local lads to form our own vigilante groups, and we started walking around our local area in case the thugs attack. Many of the local shopkeepers here also stood guard outside their shops. Thankfully, this was enough to keep the thugs away. Whenever we did see a few thugs in hoodies, they'd just flee whenever they saw us. By the end of the day, these thugs are just cowards who only attack the weak.

Also, the riots are no longer just limited to London, but have spread across the whole of England. While the riots here in London have seemed to cool down a bit today (but you never know when it will heat up again), the riots in other cities like Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, etc. have gotten worse. It really is England's worst riots in the last few decades. And what's worse is that these are riots without any cause. It's simply all about mindless materialism at its worst, with criminal opportunists doing what they're doing just for thrills and wanting to get their hands on the latest shoes, clothes, TVs, DVDs, games, etc.

Thanks for the update on the situation. It's nice to hear from someone who lives in the U.K. I still think that there's such a thing as an "indigenous English."

[samnang]

three south asians who were protecting their car wash business were murdered by last night:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405

[mndeg]

Some Taiwanese people refer to white people as Native British or Native American when trying to find language exchange partners.

Also I'd like to point out that it's NOT about materialism or looting $hit for the sake of looting. It's about a class war, and the young are at the absolute bottom of the ladder. Capitalism at the moment $hits on the young. Global central bank interventions help the rich, mixed bag for the middle class, and hurts the poor. Obviously the rioters won't be able to communicate that as most people don't have much of a grasp on finance or economics. AND they should not be expected to only attack mega-corporations, they're a freakin mob.

It's a world where entry level job means 2-3 years of experience minimum.

Anyone want to guess which countries will start rioting the earliest? I'm in Taiwan right now and I can't see it happening because of social pressures. I think Chinese people believe that if there's a will there's a way, which imo is ridiculously naive. I bet the rest of Western Europe will start rioting, and then South America, and perhaps Korea/Japan. Americans are too damn lazy to riot. Cost of living is fairly low in America relative to income.

The riots in Egypt were more about wealth distribution than freedom or liberty, or any of the bull$hit they mention in the mainstream media. The wages in Egypt are incredibly low for a college educated person.

This post has been edited by mndeg: Aug 10 2011, 10:25 AM

[samnang]

holy fu-kin $hit @ this rioting in manchester:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE

hurry and watch cuz the vid will probably be taken down soon.

This post has been edited by samnang: Aug 10 2011, 11:11 AM

[Jagger]

Thanks for the update on the situation. It's nice to hear from someone who lives in the U.K. I still think that there's such a thing as an "indigenous English."

In my eyes, the only "indigineous" people of Britain are the Celts: the Scottish, Welsh, and Irish. The English, or Anglo-Saxons as they were formerly known, are not "indigineous" to the land, but they were originally foreign invaders. I don't see a problem with calling them "natives", but "indigineous" is pushing it.

three south asians who were protecting their car wash business were murdered by last night:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405

Actually, it wasn't a car wash business. It was a petrol station that was recently attacked by rioters/looters that happens to be nearby a local mosque, so a large group of local Pakistanis gathered around there in case the thugs attack again. Three of them were run over by a car that was reportedly driven by three black youths. Birmingham already had racial tensions between blacks and Pakistanis to begin with (like the 2006 Birmingham race riots), so it shouldn't be any surprise a black gang would take the opportunity to attack their Pakistani rivals in the area.

In other news from yesterday, a foreign Malaysian student, who had only been in London for a month, just when he was about to break his day-long fast (since it's the Islamic month of Ramadan), was beaten by rioters/looters who stole his bike and left him with a broken jaw and bleeding profusely. Soon after, another group of looters (both black and white) approached him and pretended to help him, but then mugged his bag and ran away. The video was shown on YouTube and angered a lot of people, British and Malaysian alike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo...feature=related

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...S&ATTR=News

Some Taiwanese people refer to white people as Native British or Native American when trying to find language exchange partners.

Also I'd like to point out that it's NOT about materialism or looting $hit for the sake of looting. It's about a class war, and the young are at the absolute bottom of the ladder. Capitalism at the moment $hits on the young. Global central bank interventions help the rich, mixed bag for the middle class, and hurts the poor. Obviously the rioters won't be able to communicate that as most people don't have much of a grasp on finance or economics. AND they should not be expected to only attack mega-corporations, they're a freakin mob.

It's a world where entry level job means 2-3 years of experience minimum.

Anyone want to guess which countries will start rioting the earliest? I'm in Taiwan right now and I can't see it happening because of social pressures. I think Chinese people believe that if there's a will there's a way, which imo is ridiculously naive. I bet the rest of Western Europe will start rioting, and then South America, and perhaps Korea/Japan. Americans are too damn lazy to riot. Cost of living is fairly low in America relative to income.

The riots in Egypt were more about wealth distribution than freedom or liberty, or any of the bull$hit they mention in the mainstream media. The wages in Egypt are incredibly low for a college educated person.

You can specify the race of language exchange partners? Do the Taiwanese prefer white exchange partners to non-white ones?

The points you've made are still, in many ways, related to materialism, since capitalism is itself largely driven by materialism. However, the recent UK Coalition government's cuts to public spending has indeed had an effect on the working classes, so that might be a factor. But that doesn't really explain why it's only Black-Caribbean and White-English youths resorting to arson and looting, instead of communities worse off than them, like Bangladeshis and Somalis, who have instead done the complete opposite: forming vigilante groups to defend their even poorer East London neighbourhoods and chase down those thugs.

In terms of what causes they're fighting for, the riots down here in England don't really feel at all like the ones in the Middle East or elsewhere. In places like those, the rioters seem like they have a clear purpose behind their actions, but there isn't any such clear purpose behind what's going on here. From what I've seen, the thugs down here haven't even expressed any grievances, but all they seem to be talking about is how much fun they're having, the luxury consumer goods they've stolen, how powerful they feel, the territory they're ruling, how they've given stolen goods as gifts to their girlfriends, etc. It's a given that they hate the police by default, but there aren't any obvious underlying reasons why these youths want to make everyone else's life hell, or why they're doing what they're doing for anything other than pure greed and criminality.

In addition to all the luxury consumer goods they've stolen and whatever underlying grievances they may have, if any, those kids are causing mayhem for the same reason many gangs would cause trouble: to gain power and territorial control, but instead of fighting other gangs, its directed towards all of society in general. The fact that the police are outnumbered and aren't given enough power to put them down (due to the UK's far too lenient laws) has empowered the youths, and that's why copycat incidents are occurring throughout the whole of England.

holy fu-kin $hit @ this rioting in manchester:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE

hurry and watch cuz the vid will probably be taken down soon.

That's not even England, let alone Manchester... the cars are all on the right side.

[SemperFidelis]

Some Taiwanese people refer to white people as Native British or Native American when trying to find language exchange partners.

Also I'd like to point out that it's NOT about materialism or looting $hit for the sake of looting. It's about a class war, and the young are at the absolute bottom of the ladder. Capitalism at the moment $hits on the young. Global central bank interventions help the rich, mixed bag for the middle class, and hurts the poor. Obviously the rioters won't be able to communicate that as most people don't have much of a grasp on finance or economics. AND they should not be expected to only attack mega-corporations, they're a freakin mob.

It's a world where entry level job means 2-3 years of experience minimum.

Anyone want to guess which countries will start rioting the earliest? I'm in Taiwan right now and I can't see it happening because of social pressures. I think Chinese people believe that if there's a will there's a way, which imo is ridiculously naive. I bet the rest of Western Europe will start rioting, and then South America, and perhaps Korea/Japan. Americans are too damn lazy to riot. Cost of living is fairly low in America relative to income.

The riots in Egypt were more about wealth distribution than freedom or liberty, or any of the bull$hit they mention in the mainstream media. The wages in Egypt are incredibly low for a college educated person.

Since when is the reason for looting any other reason than for material gain? How does burning down local business do anything other than harm their own community? These people sicken me. Once the situation has been resolved, apart from a few new tracksuits, sneakers and phones these people will be no better off.

Arm the cops with 40mm baton rounds and tear gas and watch those cowards scatter

[CheolSu]

It is the poor areas that have problems.

Most people in England live in safe areas and don't need to own a gun, which is such a barbaric thing to keep.

Crime is much higher in the US than in Western Europe.

Crime has been going down in the US for 30 years, but the incarceration rate has been going up.

[CheolSu]

In the photos, it seems that 90% of the rioters are either black or asian (south asian, middle eastern)!

Who else can stop the UK from mass immigration and social engineering other than the BNP? The English are engineering the own degeneration of their society!

There are plenty of white hoodies rioting.

apparently the police are useless as fu-k. no water cannons, no tear gas, no rubber bullets. they just have tiny litte batons.

so people are going vigilante.



edit: aw damn, this gif is actually from vancouver.

They don't want to use water cannons, tear gas, or rubber bullets in England because they traditionally haven't used them and they don't want to start.

Perhaps now they will.

[samnang]

she looted my heart.

[Cha]

I actually saw a shot with a story about that bird lol.
Its not his first offense lol.

I saw that gif more than a year ago.

[Jagger]

There are plenty of white hoodies rioting.

They don't want to use water cannons, tear gas, or rubber bullets in England because they traditionally haven't used them and they don't want to start.

Perhaps now they will.

To me, it looked like a mixed crowd of black and white hoodies, maybe around 60-70% black and 30-40% white. Hardly noticed any Asians (of any kind) among the rioters/looters at all, although most of the vigilantes defending local neighbourhoods were predominantly immigrants (or 2nd/3rd-gen migrants), like Asians, Middle-Easterners, Somalis, and Eastern Europeans. Only a minority of defensive vigilantes were white English, many of whom turned out to have links to the far-right English Defence League, ironically.

As for water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets, Britain has been utilizing them in Northern Ireland for decades... so it's a bit hypocritical of them not to do the same in England. Why should it only be acceptable on Irish soil but not on English soil? I sense some double-standards there.

she looted my heart.

Can't blame a girl for wanting to loot some nice clothes and shoes... and the hearts of rude bois.

I actually saw a shot with a story about that bird lol.
Its not his first offense lol.

It happened in Scotland back in 2007. Here's the recorded footage of that seagull looter from a different angle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

EDIT: Uh, I mean this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PvUhm04Kws


This post has been edited by Jagger: Aug 11 2011, 05:56 PM

[AsiaticGlory]

Since when is the reason for looting any other reason than for material gain? How does burning down local business do anything other than harm their own community? These people sicken me. Once the situation has been resolved, apart from a few new tracksuits, sneakers and phones these people will be no better off.

Arm the cops with 40mm baton rounds and tear gas and watch those cowards scatter

People like that have no foresight. They have no capacity for rational thinking.

[DPSlock]

Man think of when the africans in china start rioting

[Jagger]

Man think of when the africans in china start rioting

If that ever happens, it would be their China-born, Chinese-speaking kids that would do the rioting, not the actual immigrants. But with a strict government like China's, such a riot is extremely unlikely to begin with.

In England, there were hardly any immigrants involved in any of the rioting, looting or arson across the country. Nearly all of the criminals were British born-and-bred, both black and white. The British psychiatrist and writer Anthony Daniels wrote an interesting article discussing how the riots is largely rooted in modern British culture itself:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/0...ung_people.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...lent-world.html


This post has been edited by Jagger: Aug 12 2011, 08:28 AM

[bear11]

Anyone want to guess which countries will start rioting the earliest? I'm in Taiwan right now and I can't see it happening because of social pressures. I think Chinese people believe that if there's a will there's a way, which imo is ridiculously naive. I bet the rest of Western Europe will start rioting, and then South America, and perhaps Korea/Japan. Americans are too damn lazy to riot. Cost of living is fairly low in America relative to income.

You think there could be riots in Japan?

[mastaping]

london should probably go ahead and cancel the 2012 olympics.

edit: dammit, even fu-kin birds are getting in on the looting

i lulled

[CheolSu]

As for water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets, Britain has been utilizing them in Northern Ireland for decades... so it's a bit hypocritical of them not to do the same in England. Why should it only be acceptable on Irish soil but not on English soil? I sense some double-standards there.

They used poison gas on the Kurds before Saddam Hussein was even born so go figure.