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a lot of Asians say L instead of R.. how come?, flied lice.. hotel loom! rorrr!
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post Aug 29 2011, 08:35 AM
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it's something very common among Asians who used to speak an Asian language b4,
I find it funny and intriguing how they often say L instead of R, hihihi embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

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post Aug 29 2011, 10:25 AM
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I know that the 'r' sound is missing in Japanese.
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post Aug 29 2011, 10:27 AM
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Because their native languages don't have the "r" sound.

Or maybe they do it on purpose just to mess with you. embarassedlaugh.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 11:42 AM
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indian too.
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post Aug 29 2011, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Aug 29 2011, 10:25 AM) *
I know that the 'r' sound is missing in Japanese.


hmm aren't there words like "sayonara, arigato, hara-kiri" where the 'r' is pronounced...?


QUOTE (Yer @ Aug 29 2011, 10:27 AM) *
Because their native languages don't have the "r" sound.

Or maybe they do it on purpose just to mess with you. embarassedlaugh.gif


aww I hope not hihi


QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Aug 29 2011, 11:42 AM) *
indian too.


I didn't know that...
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post Aug 29 2011, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (fivers @ Aug 29 2011, 02:05 PM) *
hmm aren't there words like "sayonara, arigato, hara-kiri" where the 'r' is pronounced...?

The "r"s are pronounced sort of like a "d". That's the only example I could think of atm. The "l" sound, however, is missing from the Japanese language. So when it is pronounced, usually the "r"s replaces it.

When you pronounce the "r", softly flick your tongue upward. Keep in mind that the "r"s are always followed by "ra", "ri", "ru", "ro", or "re".

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post Aug 29 2011, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 29 2011, 02:22 PM) *
The "r"s are pronounced sort of like a "d". That's the only example I could think of atm. The "l" sound, however, is missing from the Japanese language. So when it is pronounced, usually the "r"s replaces it.

When you pronounce the "r", softly flick your tongue upward. Keep in mind that the "r"s are always followed by "ra", "ri", "ru", "ro", or "re".


ah ic thx biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 29 2011, 01:22 PM) *
The "r"s are pronounced sort of like a "d". That's the only example I could think of atm. The "l" sound, however, is missing from the Japanese language. So when it is pronounced, usually the "r"s replaces it.

When you pronounce the "r", softly flick your tongue upward. Keep in mind that the "r"s are always followed by "ra", "ri", "ru", "ro", or "re".


ra, ri, ru, re, ro is pronounced as la, li, lu, le, lo. That is the romanization. Here is the Hiragana version of those letters: ら, り, る, れ, ろ.

@fivers
The 'r' in "sayonara, arigato, hara-kiri" is pronounced as 'l'.

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post Aug 29 2011, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Aug 29 2011, 02:41 PM) *
ra, ri, ru, re, ro is pronounce as la, li, lu, le, lo. That is the romanization. Here is the Hiragana version of those letters: ら, り, る, れ, ろ.

@fivers
The 'r' in "sayonara, arigato, hara-kiri" is pronounced as 'l'.

If you try to pronounce さよなら,ありがとう, or 腹切 with just a "L" it's not going to come out right. It's a combination of the English "R", "L", and "D".

Obviously, if you want to pronounce it correctly, just skip the romanization of it and learn the kana. But this is just my way of explaining it to English speakers.

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post Aug 29 2011, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Aug 29 2011, 02:41 PM) *
ra, ri, ru, re, ro is pronounced as la, li, lu, le, lo. That is the romanization. Here is the Hiragana version of those letters: ら, り, る, れ, ろ.

@fivers
The 'r' in "sayonara, arigato, hara-kiri" is pronounced as 'l'.


I'm starting to get the picture along with what SkyBurial said.. thx biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 03:13 PM
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Also in Korean, "ㄹ" can be either "l" or "r" sound depending on where it is placed...
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post Aug 29 2011, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Aug 29 2011, 12:42 PM) *
indian too.


How do you know? icon_neutral.gif
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post Aug 31 2011, 04:45 AM
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QUOTE (mastaping @ Aug 29 2011, 03:13 PM) *
Also in Korean, "ㄹ" can be either "l" or "r" sound depending on where it is placed...


ah ic thx mastaping ^^ didn't know that either.. it's time I start learning Korean laugh.gif


@Rahul, do you speak Indian?
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post Aug 31 2011, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 29 2011, 01:57 PM) *
Obviously, if you want to pronounce it correctly, just skip the romanization of it and learn the kana. But this is just my way of explaining it to English speakers.


agreed
Romanization should only be used at the beginning. Once you get used to the writing system, you should get rid of it. There seems to be some confusion on how to pronounce 'ん' too.

Chinese romanization is even more confusing.
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post Aug 31 2011, 11:24 AM
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Chinese can pronounce R perfectly.
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post Aug 31 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (DOUBLEMINT @ Aug 31 2011, 11:24 AM) *
Chinese can pronounce R perfectly.


+1.

we can't pronounce the english Ci sound though. Sit = sheet.
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post Aug 31 2011, 05:18 PM
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It's to do with bad teaching.

I know many Asians who can speak English with a British accept and flawless Chinese.

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post Aug 31 2011, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 31 2011, 06:18 PM) *
It's to do with bad teaching.

I know many Asians who can speak English with a British accept and flawless Chinese.


+1 for slave mentality. so let me ask you: why can a white man, in an Asian country, speak with a terrible accent and people would be bowing down to him like "oh master, you bothered to learn the language of us lowly colonial slaves" while in an Anglophone country, an Asian speaking with even a slight accent is BAD and WRONG?
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post Aug 31 2011, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Aug 31 2011, 05:55 PM) *
+1.

we can't pronounce the english Ci sound though. Sit = sheet.


I think the most difficult one is "th".For example, three,thrive.
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post Sep 1 2011, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Aug 31 2011, 11:33 PM) *
+1 for slave mentality. so let me ask you: why can a white man, in an Asian country, speak with a terrible accent and people would be bowing down to him like "oh master, you bothered to learn the language of us lowly colonial slaves" while in an Anglophone country, an Asian speaking with even a slight accent is BAD and WRONG?


You have to ask those people who do that.

Personally, as someone who speaks many languages, I don't find it remarkable when someone can speak a few words of some foreign language.
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