Hmong Traitors or Hmong Pioneers? Options

[txoomsuab2]

tsov tom nplog kuv xav muab koj ncaws ua luaj li os

[JiemBo]

they really didn't 'change' their name, just conjoined it and were creative with it. it goes back farther than communist days to french colonial days. for example, some hmong leaders during french occupation:

Lo Bliayao (Lo clan, adult name - blia yao)
Faydang Lobliayao (Lo clan, adult name Fay Dang; keeps the full name of his father to honor him: Lobliayao)
Touby Lyfoung (Ly/Li/Lee clan, adult name Tou By; keeps the foung to honor his dad Ly Xia Foung)

now lets look at some of these current guys:

Madame Pany Yathortou (Yang clan, adult name Pa Ny; keeps Yathortou to honor her father Ya Thor Tou)
Chaleun Yapaoheu (Yang clan, adult name Cha Leun; keeps Yapaoheu to hononr his father Ya Pao Heu)
Vongphet Saykeuyachongtoua (Yang clan, adult name Say Keu; keeps Yachongtou to honor his father Ya Chong Tou; adopts lao name Vongphet)
Tong Yeu Thor (Thao clan, adult name Tong Yeu; hmong american style)

hopefully that clears things up a bit.

Thank that's even clearer. I'm not sure why some Hmong here seem to have problem with assimilating into Lao society. But still changing their surname still doesn't discriminate against them from being accepted. Also the Lao government already made it clear that the Hmong are apart of the greater Lao society now and the future. Perhaps those oversea should wait and see how much peace their is before and after this. Gaining nationalism is the key for social and country unity for peace. Even the UN are helping in with the assimilation process of all ethnic Lao minority.

[JiemBo]

u can be quiet now

[JiemBo]

tsov tom nplog kuv xav muab koj ncaws ua luaj li os

I know you talking about Lao. "Nplog" that is so racist.

[txoomsuab2]

I know you talking about Lao. "Nplog" that is so racist.

it's not racist when we r the same race and it is not targeted to lao people but to a certain lao person

[JiemBo]

it's not racist when we r the same race and it is not targeted to lao people but to a certain lao person

Sound very hypocritical to me. It is not racist towards us as a same race of people, but toward certain Lao person? OMG WTH!! What are you trying to say here?

[txoomsuab2]

Sound very hypocritical to me. It is not racist towards us as a same race of people, but toward certain Lao person? OMG WTH!! What are you trying to say here?

it is not racist because we r both Asian and Asian is our race and i never targeted Lao people as a whole only that certain somebody

[JiemBo]

it is not racist because we r both Asian and Asian is our race and i never targeted Lao people as a whole only that certain somebody

Well why is it that when we called you "Meo". The Hmong take it personally and offensively? Isn't it the same thing with the Hmong using "Nplog" to racially attack a Lao ppl as well?



Nplog & Meo seem to be some sort of a racial slur logistically.

[txoomsuab2]

Well why is it that when we called you "Meo". The Hmong take it personally and offensively? Isn't it the same thing with the Hmong using "Nplog" to racially attack a Lao ppl as well?



Nplog & Meo seem to be some sort of a racial slur logistically.

nplog is just how we write it in our language, personally i don't care for the word meo it's just a word, if ur trying to make me mad off of it u can go ahead if that is what ur trying to accomplish, acoording to some lao there r two ways of writing meo one is for cat one follows the word miao of the name the hans call us

This post has been edited by txoomsuab2: Sep 11 2011, 10:01 PM

[JiemBo]

nplog is just how we write it in our language, personally i don't care for the word meo it's just a word, if ur trying to make me mad off of it u can go ahead if that is what ur trying to accomplish

No I am not trying to make you mad or anything o.k? I just wanted to learn a bit more and be more understand on some of my personal curiosity on certain things.


It is also interesting to read what Vang pao followers has to say too and see if all the stories are the same. If not. Then I believe its all about making up stories as they go along with it and using Vang pao legacy and figure as a back up debate. I can tell you that some of these VP followers seem to not be on the same level, but has their own personal propaganda.

[txoomsuab2]

No I am not trying to make you mad or anything o.k? I just wanted to learn a bit more and be more understand on some of my personal curiosity on certain things.


It is also interesting to read what Vang pao followers has to say too and see if all the stories are the same. If not. Then I believe its all about making up stories as they go along with it and using Vang pao legacy and figure as a back up debate. I can tell you that some of these VP followers seem to not be on the same level, but has their own personal propaganda.

propaganda of what?

[JiemBo]

propaganda of what?

You know what I'm talking about. Them Vang pao followers spreading all kinds of propaganda every where. Also I read a couple of news articles that uses Laotian or Lao as a bad people while the Hmong are good peoplel on the news. Also I know there are Hmong organization who hire a White editor of the news to us this racial profile against the Lao people just to cover up Hmong bad reputation on the news articles. I'm sure not many Hmong knows about this. But it is actually for real!!! Which is why I am so piss off about it for the last 6 years!!!

[txoomsuab2]

You know what I'm talking about. Them Vang pao followers spreading all kinds of propaganda every where. Also I read a couple of news articles that uses Laotian or Lao as a bad people while the Hmong are good peoplel on the news. Also I know there are Hmong organization who hire a White editor of the news to us this racial profile against the Lao people just to cover up Hmong bad reputation on the news articles. I'm sure not many Hmong knows about this. But it is actually for real!!! Which is why I am so piss off about it for the last 6 years!!!

like what? again it has nothing to do with racial profiling because we r both asian

This post has been edited by txoomsuab2: Sep 11 2011, 10:21 PM

[JiemBo]

like what?

Like murder case or robbery. But these news comes out here and their for several mouth or so. But then later on that website about that articles deleted it self. That's how I know it is a propaganda news. Also you cannot save or link that website either. strange isn't it?

[txoomsuab2]

Like murder case or robbery. But these news comes out here and their for several mouth or so. But then later on that website about that articles deleted it self. That's how I know it is a propaganda news. Also you cannot save or link that website either. strange isn't it?

specify, no link no proof

This post has been edited by txoomsuab2: Sep 11 2011, 10:23 PM

[JiemBo]

specify, no link no proof

Well at this time I cannot. But if I do manage to get it again I will post it here.

[txoomsuab2]

Well at this time I cannot. But if I do manage to get it again I will post it here.

sure

[mudfish]

they are nothing.
they're Hmoob Nyablaj.

[bioshock]

Depends on which side you're on obviously. If you're Hmong-Lao then these people are your leaders, if you'r Hmong-American or live outside Laos due to the whole war thing, then these ppl might be seen as your enemies, especially among the Hmong elders. Relations are improving over the years and they can only get better. As long as these leaders help improve Laos and her multiethnic citizens' lives or appear to be helping, all I can do is wish them luck. To me, they're kinda like Hmoob Nplog's Mee Moua, Cy Thao or Blong Xiong in which they work for the state, not just Hmong ppl. I know we dislike commies, but they seem to be representing those Hmong-Lao quite proudly...we just don't really hear 'bout them cuz they're Hmong commie leaders, lol.

[hmoobconan]

Well why is it that when we called you "Meo". The Hmong take it personally and offensively? Isn't it the same thing with the Hmong using "Nplog" to racially attack a Lao ppl as well?



Nplog & Meo seem to be some sort of a racial slur logistically.

Nplog is not a bad word. It is probably what your ancestors called themselves.

And your knowledge of Vang Pao is extremely biased. Also, you seem to favor the destruction of ethnic minorities and want everybody to become one. If that is the case, you should give up your identity and become Chinese. You wonder why the Hmong like to divide themselves among the majority? That is because you guys are like the ancient Chinese and the Christian missionaries that wished to destroy our customs, our roots, our name. If you acknowledge us and accept us for who we are, then the incorporation of the Hmong into your nation is not a problem. We have no problem calling ourselves Hmong Chinese, Hmong Nplog, Hmong Thai, etc., but if you want us to forget our name and die off like all those ancient tribes, then go fu-k yourself.

Also some people like to link assimilation to advancement and the keeping of one's customs to... "a state of not advancing". I find this idea to be extremely humorous.

Regarding the names of those Hmong officials, I do not mind as long as they remember that they are Hmong. However, I would prefer that their original names be incorporated into the Laotian society, instead of being "assimilated".

This post has been edited by hmoobconan: Sep 12 2011, 10:59 PM