Asians dissing other Asians for White approval Options

[devils666]

ok, use a different word. w/e you want to call it, Chinese interests are NOT in the interest of other asian countries. at least in territory and politics and resource. so China's pursuit of these interests is going to make things worse for other asian countries overall. at least for awhile.

how do you keep harping on colonization. China will fight for territory it thinks is China's. so.....whats your point. its not AS bad as colonizing the whole country? maybe...not sure what you think that means though. US doesnt have a colony in Asia.

Guam, Hawaii. And unofficially Japan.

No country's interests are in the interests of all other Asian countries. And yes, China needs a lot of resources to feed 1.3 billion people - or let them die.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

Guam, Hawaii. And unofficially Japan.

No country's interests are in the interests of all other Asian countries. And yes, China needs a lot of resources to feed 1.3 billion people - or let them die.

so...guam and hawaiian are what? south east asian now? since when?

Japan is a US colony? say thats true. as a colony they become high tech exporter and have a very high standard of living. China wants them Diaoyu Islands back. not to mention having territorial boundary issues. japanese choose china because its asian? riiiiight.

true, but US interest in Asia IS in the interest of many of the smaller asian countries that find themselves unfortunately facing China for the same thing. with America behind them its not as scary.

[devils666]

so...guam and hawaiian are what? south east asian now? since when?

Japan is a US colony? say thats true. as a colony they become high tech exporter and have a very high standard of living. China wants them Diaoyu Islands back. not to mention having territorial boundary issues. japanese choose china because its asian? riiiiight.

true, but US interest in Asia IS in the interest of many of the smaller asian countries that find themselves unfortunately facing China for the same thing. with America behind them its not as scary.

So that's why the US made Japan sign the plaza accord creating the Japanese economic decline?

THe US interests is to maintain domination in Asia, control economic policies, keep their military hegemony in the pacific, take resources, create division in Asia, maintain their soft power, and to suppress China from its full potential.

You are retarded if you think the US truly cares for us Yellow people. They are using us like pawns. One minute they bomb Japan, the next minute Japan is their best friend. You can't trust the US because their intentions aren't good and they are only loyal to the West. One minute you are their ally, the next their enemy. Look at Pakistan. India used to be a big enemy to America.

For the short term, the US might look good to other Asian nations. But they are using conflicts and divisons to their advantage. Anyone who gets in bed with the US for long enough faces horrendous consequences. Because the west will always stab us in the back. CHina used to be allies with the US against Japan. But the US took Chinese friendship for granted and now China is the "enemy".

The west can never be loyal to Asians. That's why we need only be allies with ourselves.

At least China knows that if war happens in Asia, they're fu-ked too. If China's neighbor suffers, China will suffer too - this is not the case for America.

This post has been edited by devils666: Sep 20 2011, 06:17 PM

[chiuchimu]

Lets be serious about this. People are stupid and they buy into what they see on the Media.

Hollywood
White Hollywood has had their media out there the longest so they have had the biggest brain washing affect. The whole world to varying degrees is white washed - not just Asia. I'd say the white washing starts in Japan and fans its way out - please note that no country is forced to follow; girls are turning blond out of their free well. Last, there is a difference in wanting what white people have and wanting to be white.

India
About two decades back when Bollywood started making movies, many middle Eastern countries became big consumers because they didn't want to watch white media. Now, the image of India is very good in these countries because of their media. I don't know beyond what I've read so maybe an Indian person can give details on how the middle East's image of India is affected by Bollywood.


Korea
Since about 1997, Korea's media industry has boomed. Most of us know this, but think back. There are Zero reports of Korean's being handsome/pretty, k-pop being superior, etc... before 1997. It's not like the world was unaware of korea before 1997. Infact, the world focused on Korea way back in 1950(Korean war) but there were no reports of exceptionally beautiful people or a notable society. It wasn't until after 1997 when Korea began marketing their media; movies, drama & music to neighboring Asian countries that these complementary factoids began appearing.

The power of Media should not be under estimated.

This post has been edited by chiuchimu: Sep 20 2011, 08:05 PM

[fivers]

Lets be serious about this. People are stupid and they buy into what they see on the Media.

Hollywood
White Hollywood has had their media out there the longest so they have had the biggest brain washing affect. The whole world to varying degrees is white washed - not just Asia. I'd say the white washing starts in Japan and fans its way out - please note that no country is forced to follow; girls are turning blond out of their free well. Last, there is a difference in wanting what white people have and wanting to be white.

India
About two decades back when Bollywood started making movies, many middle Eastern countries became big consumers because they didn't want to watch white media. Now, the image of India is very good in these countries because of their media. I don't know beyond what I've read so maybe an Indian person can give details on how the middle East's image of India is affected by Bollywood.


Korea
Since about 1997, Korea's media industry has boomed. Most of us know this, but think back. There are Zero reports of Korean's being handsome/pretty, k-pop being superior, etc... before 1997. It's not like the world was unaware of korea before 1997. Infact, the world focused on Korea way back in 1950(Korean war) but there were no reports of exceptionally beautiful people or a notable society. It wasn't until after 1997 when Korea began marketing their media; movies, drama & music to neighboring Asian countries that these complementary factoids began appearing.

The power of Media should not be under estimated.

you forgot to mention Japan's media influence with J-Porn lol

[Mid-Night_Sun]

So that's why the US made Japan sign the plaza accord creating the Japanese economic decline?

THe US interests is to maintain domination in Asia, control economic policies, keep their military hegemony in the pacific, take resources, create division in Asia, maintain their soft power, and to suppress China from its full potential.

You are retarded if you think the US truly cares for us Yellow people. They are using us like pawns. One minute they bomb Japan, the next minute Japan is their best friend. You can't trust the US because their intentions aren't good and they are only loyal to the West. One minute you are their ally, the next their enemy. Look at Pakistan. India used to be a big enemy to America.

For the short term, the US might look good to other Asian nations. But they are using conflicts and divisons to their advantage. Anyone who gets in bed with the US for long enough faces horrendous consequences. Because the west will always stab us in the back. CHina used to be allies with the US against Japan. But the US took Chinese friendship for granted and now China is the "enemy".

The west can never be loyal to Asians. That's why we need only be allies with ourselves.

At least China knows that if war happens in Asia, they're fu-ked too. If China's neighbor suffers, China will suffer too - this is not the case for America.

you are missing the point. has nothing to do with whether or not America is doing good, but if its worse than China.

you havent proved the US is going to sooner or later backstab them, yet.

at the end of the day, no matter what you say, here is reality. asian countries want the US to stick around because it helps balance out China. you havent proved that US is worse than China for their interest right now, and you havent proved China is better than the US for them in the future after everything is settled. yet.

[chiuchimu]

you forgot to mention Japan's media influence with J-Porn lol

Yeah, wait until we make a J-porn movie together.

[devils666]

you are missing the point. has nothing to do with whether or not America is doing good, but if its worse than China.

you havent proved the US is going to sooner or later backstab them, yet.

at the end of the day, no matter what you say, here is reality. asian countries want the US to stick around because it helps balance out China. you havent proved that US is worse than China for their interest right now, and you havent proved China is better than the US for them in the future after everything is settled. yet.

Yes, I have proven it with FACTS.

Fact: US flipflops with Japan
Fact: US turned against Pakistan
Fact: US turned against China
Fact: US flipflops with Phillipines
Fact: US flipflops with Vietnam
Fact: US turned against Iraq and Saddam Hussein
Fact: US turned against Libya and Gaddafi
Fact: The US has nothing to lose if war broke out in Asia
Fact: The US has no LOYALTY. One minute you're their ally, the next their enemy.

This post has been edited by devils666: Sep 21 2011, 01:43 PM

[SacredG]

It's true that Asians love to diss each other and claim superiority. They may not be directly trying to get White apporoval, but it's subconscious.

For example, NEA's will talk $hit about SEA's and say that NEA's are taller, whiter, more civilized, smarter and have higher noses. Or Japanese thinking they are better than all other Asians because they have "honorary White status".

This also has to do with being AMerica's b!tch. Because as soon as an Asian nation becomes America's b!tch, they think they're better.

More than 90% of what human think and do are subconscious-based. Does that mean most of what we do are because we want White to approve of?
Asians fighting among themselves could just means they simply dislike each other on a personal level and not so much on a social level.

I live in a predominately Asian city in California for the most part of my life and I have never once encounter Asians dissing each other for the so-called "honorary White status", subconsciously or not. I get what you're saying! Fortunately, it may just be a figment of someone's imagination or it could be the case for someone somewhere but I wouldn't say it's a large scale problem among Asians.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

Yes, I have proven it with FACTS.

Fact: US flipflops with Japan
Fact: US turned against Pakistan
Fact: US turned against China
Fact: US flipflops with Phillipines
Fact: US flipflops with Vietnam
Fact: US turned against Iraq and Saddam Hussein
Fact: US turned against Libya and Gaddafi
Fact: The US has nothing to lose if war broke out in Asia
Fact: The US has no LOYALTY. One minute you're their ally, the next their enemy.

its not a fact until you actually list the real life events associated with the point.

even if the US had a history of flipping on the country for their interest, it still doesnt prove that they are better off with China. US has nothing to lose being so far from asia is also why they have nothing more to take. US has dominated Asia for the last decades and everyone is used to it. its the status quo and most asian country learn to live with it, even China (at least back then).

like even your asian examples (dont care about the others), US flipped on them in the past, but they still prefer US to balance China because they know China wants MORE than the US EVER would in Asia.

i can give you that you proved US flip flops/backstabs. but you definitely did not prove how China is better for asian country now or in the future while taking into full account what China's ambitions are. with the US, we have decades of evidence what it means to have US dominant. is it fantastic? not really. but it was tolerable.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Sep 21 2011, 02:50 PM

[devils666]

its not a fact until you actually list the real life events associated with the point.

even if the US had a history of flipping on the country for their interest, it still doesnt prove that they are better off with China. US has nothing to lose being so far from asia is also why they have nothing more to take. US has dominated Asia for the last decades and everyone is used to it. its the status quo and most asian country learn to live with it, even China (at least back then).

like even your asian examples (dont care about the others), US flipped on them in the past, but they still prefer US to balance China because they know China wants MORE than the US EVER would in Asia.

i can give you that you proved US flip flops/backstabs. but you definitely did not prove how China is better for asian country now or in the future while taking into full account what China's ambitions are. with the US, we have decades of evidence what it means to have US dominant. is it fantastic? not really. but it was tolerable.

China hasn't dominated Asia for hundreds and hundreds of years. So you can't say that Chinese domination is bad when so many things have changed.

And even when China dominated - it was the manchu's and mongols who expanded and dominated! Blame them!

And the US wants much more in Asia than CHina. Ever heard of the Opium wars? Or the Monroe Doctrine? The US has been trying to control Asia for years!

You are so brainwashed it makes me sick. Just go back to kissing White people's @$$. You probably wish HK was still Britians b!tch.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

China hasn't dominated Asia for hundreds and hundreds of years. So you can't say that Chinese domination is bad when so many things have changed.

And even when China dominated - it was the manchu's and mongols who expanded and dominated! Blame them!

And the US wants much more in Asia than CHina. Ever heard of the Opium wars? Or the Monroe Doctrine? The US has been trying to control Asia for years!

You are so brainwashed it makes me sick. Just go back to kissing White people's @$$. You probably wish HK was still Britians b!tch.

you definitely did not prove how China is better for asian country now or in the future while taking into full account what China's ambitions are.

^ hasnt changed still you are good at avoiding things that you know is going to hurt your cause.

you do realize China is having disputes in pretty much all water that touches China right? thats not brainwashing. its reality. talking about Opium Wars isnt going to change that.

[devils666]

^ hasnt changed still you are good at avoiding things that you know is going to hurt your cause.

you do realize China is having disputes in pretty much all water that touches China right? thats not brainwashing. its reality. talking about Opium Wars isnt going to change that.

And bringing up petty water disputes doesn't change the fact that the US has been trying to finger Asia for a while.

And Taiwan is also claiming the Diaoyu and Spratly Islands. But no one blames them.

Even though a few Asian countries have maritine disputes with China, that still leaves 80% of Asia who are on good terms with China. Most of central Asia and the Middle-East are also on China's side.

[Mid-Night_Sun]

And bringing up petty water disputes doesn't change the fact that the US has been trying to finger Asia for a while.

And Taiwan is also claiming the Diaoyu and Spratly Islands. But no one blames them.

Even though a few Asian countries have maritine disputes with China, that still leaves 80% of Asia who are on good terms with China. Most of central Asia and the Middle-East are also on China's side.

what does that even mean 'finger Asia'

ok, lets says on the continent of Asia, there are more countries on China's side than US. i didnt actually count, but ill give it to you.

it still leaves basically the rest of east asia and south east asia. now i dont know what you meant by fingering asia, but US fingering isnt what they are concerned about right now. its China's aggressiveness for its claims. since you didnt clarify the fingering, i cant decide if you have proven RIGHT NOW, China is better for asian countries than the US.

move on to the future. what is US ambition in Asia? they already peaked in influence. meanwhile what are China's ambitions. explain to me why asian countries in these dispute will pick China over US knowing full well China wants what they claim.

go.

This post has been edited by Mid-Night_Sun: Sep 21 2011, 03:28 PM

[manchuwok]

the reason asian countries prefer US over China is because the US doesn't want any of their territories. We aren't quite sure how far China really believes their borders lie. Maybe tomorrow they will say the Chinese fisherman have been sailing through the straits of Malacca for centuries and thus Singapore and Acah reqions belong to China

[devils666]

what does that even mean 'finger Asia'

ok, lets says on the continent of Asia, there are more countries on China's side than US. i didnt actually count, but ill give it to you.

it still leaves basically the rest of east asia and south east asia. now i dont know what you meant by fingering asia, but US fingering isnt what they are concerned about right now. its China's aggressiveness for its claims. since you didnt clarify the fingering, i cant decide if you have proven RIGHT NOW, China is better for asian countries than the US.

move on to the future. what is US ambition in Asia? they already peaked in influence. meanwhile what are China's ambitions. explain to me why asian countries in these dispute will pick China over US knowing full well China wants what they claim.

go.

China's ambitions are to:

1. gain respect
2. acquire resources to feed their people (understable because it's about survival). Thus the Spratly Islands.
3. get US bases out of Asia
4. get back Taiwan

Those seem like very reasonable ambitions.

THe US's ambitions are to:

1. Maintain dominance in Asia
2. Access to Asian resources
3. expand military hegemony in Asia
4. Dictate Asian politics and economics. That's why the US crashed the ASEAN conferences and wants to be included in the SCO
5. Undermine China's growth and influence.
6. Maintain White superiority and worship

China has NEVER tried to expand beyond the Qing dynasty. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Manchus and Mongols for expanding China. History doesn't lie, China has a longer history of integrity than America.

This post has been edited by devils666: Sep 21 2011, 03:55 PM

[fivers]

LOL@chiuchimu

[KraterosHellas]

China's ambitions are to:

1. gain respect
2. acquire resources to feed their people (understable because it's about survival). Thus the Spratly Islands.
3. get US bases out of Asia
4. get back Taiwan

Those seem like very reasonable ambitions.

THe US's ambitions are to:

1. Maintain dominance in Asia
2. Access to Asian resources
3. expand military hegemony in Asia
4. Dictate Asian politics and economics. That's why the US crashed the ASEAN conferences and wants to be included in the SCO
5. Undermine China's growth and influence.
6. Maintain White superiority and worship

China has NEVER tried to expand beyond the Qing dynasty. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Manchus and Mongols for expanding China. History doesn't lie, China has a longer history of integrity than America.

the part about the US wanting to join the SCO crack me up so much. they want to be included in everything. lol

[Mid-Night_Sun]

China's ambitions are to:

1. gain respect
2. acquire resources to feed their people (understable because it's about survival). Thus the Spratly Islands.
3. get US bases out of Asia
4. get back Taiwan

Those seem like very reasonable ambitions.

THe US's ambitions are to:

1. Maintain dominance in Asia
2. Access to Asian resources
3. expand military hegemony in Asia
4. Dictate Asian politics and economics. That's why the US crashed the ASEAN conferences and wants to be included in the SCO
5. Undermine China's growth and influence.
6. Maintain White superiority and worship

China has NEVER tried to expand beyond the Qing dynasty. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Manchus and Mongols for expanding China. History doesn't lie, China has a longer history of integrity than America.

China:

1. by bullying japan during trawler incident?
2. by fishing in korean and other countries waters? by being aggressive in south china sea?
3. how? attack them?
4. how? attack them?


US:
1. how?
2. like trade?
3. how?
4. how?
5. how? and why would other asian countries care?
6. how?


its all well and good to make broad statements, but without details there can be no real discussion. and the details would clearly show asian countries have less to fear from US than China. if you believe different, answer my questions.

[devils666]

China:

1. by bullying japan during trawler incident?
2. by fishing in korean and other countries waters? by being aggressive in south china sea?
3. how? attack them?
4. how? attack them?


US:
1. how?
2. like trade?
3. how?
4. how?
5. how? and why would other asian countries care?
6. how?


its all well and good to make broad statements, but without details there can be no real discussion. and the details would clearly show asian countries have less to fear from US than China. if you believe different, answer my questions.

Where do you get your news? No one was "bullying". That was a term coined by Western journalists to make China look bad. And since when is fishing a bad thing? So Chinese people can't fish near their ports? And what do you mean by being "agressive"?

Your questions for the US don't even make sense. How did they crash ASEAN? How is that a question. You KNOW they did. That's a FACT! You say they have no "territories" in Asia, yet they crash ASEAN.....



The US tried to crash the SCO too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Coop...on_Organisation

List of American military deployments in Asia:
South Korea – 28,500[2]
Japan – 32,803[2]
Philippines - 95[2]
Diego Garcia - 311[2]
Jakarta, Indonesia - 27[2]
Singapore – 125[2]
Thailand – 96[2]
Malaysia - 15[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...ary_deployments

US Military bases in Central Asia:
"The United States maintains two bases in Central Asia, one each in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, for its postwar operations in Afghanistan. A regional group led by Russia and China has pressured the United States to remove its forces from Central Asia. U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in response to recent political tension over the issue with leaders in both Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, traveled to Central Asia July 25 to discuss the U.S. military’s arrangements in the region. The United States says the bases are necessary for its efforts in Afghanistan and claims it does not intend to have a permanent presence in the region. "
^how convenient
http://www.cfr.org/kyrgyzstan/asia-us-mili...l-asia/p8440#p1

The US is DEFINITELY trying to expand and maintain military hegemoy in Asia to police it. They want to put their army in Vietnam, Taiwan, and any other country close to China. So they have WAY more expansionist agendas than China.

What more proof do you need? Military presence in a country is just de-facto Colonization without the historical ugliness. That way, the West can secretly keep tabs on Asia without looking like a monster.

Seriously? You trust a country that's in 4 wars (US) instead of a country with ZERO wars (China)?

Asians are so pathetic.

This post has been edited by devils666: Sep 22 2011, 01:22 PM