South China Sea oil and gas exploration - Vietnam vs. China, S. China Sea Options

[Liang1a]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90883/7598163.html

India makes waves with South China Sea oil and gas exploration

(Global Times)09:49, September 18, 2011

India's External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna began a 3-day visit to Vietnam on Friday as reports claimed that an Indian state-owned oil producer is set to undertake joint exploration of gas resources in the South China Sea with Vietnam, in spite of protests from Beijing.

The Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) was reported on Thursday to have cemented a deal with Vietnamese firms to exploit oil and gas in two offshore South China Sea oil blocks with Krishna expected to discuss the issue in Vietnam.

The Indian External Affairs Ministry also reportedly claimed on Thursday that the project has been approved by Vietnam, which claims sovereignty over the two blocks, according to the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Responding to a question concerning these plans, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu responded Thursday that the UN Convention did not give any country the right to expand their own exclusive economic zone and continental shelf into other countries' territories. Jiang also warned countries outside the region to support the resolution of this dispute through bilateral channels.

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Liang’s comment:

This is the first time I’ve seen the Chinese government responding with a legal counterpoint based on UNCLOS to refute the baseless claims by other countries that UNCLOS’s provisions gave them the right to invade Chinese sovereign territories. As Jiang Yu rightly pointed out, UNCLOS does not give any country the right to unilaterally extend its EEZ and continental shelf into other countries’ EEZ, continental shelf, territorial seas, internal seas and sovereign territories. Any island that qualifies under UNCLOS’ Article 121 has its own EEZ and continental shelf. This means that every Chinese sovereign island in the S. China Sea has its own 200 nm of EEZ and 350 nm of continental shelf. And where the EEZ of two countries overlap, the right of EEZ of each area belongs to the country that is closest to it. Therefore, it is a misrepresentation for Vietnam and other invading countries to argue that UNCLOS allow them to claim 200 nm of EEZ that includes China’s sovereign islands. Furthermore, China has demarcated its sea boundary by the 9-Dotted Line Map that predates the UNCLOS by many decades and cannot be superseded by any ex post facto laws of UNCLOS. Therefore, Vietnam and other invading countries cannot justify their invasion of Chinese sovereign territories by referring to the UNCLOS. And China has the right to evict any invaders from its sovereign territories with force. Specifically, India’s oil agreement with Vietnam is null and void and subject to seizure by the Chinese government according to China's laws. I'm glad to see the Chinese government responding skillfully with refutations based on international laws. I hope it will follow up with military actions justified by international laws.

It should be quite obvious by now that war in S. China Sea is inevitable. If the Chinese government persists in deluding itself that by presenting an image of benevolence it will ultimately wear down its enemies with loving kindness then it will be taking China down the path of destruction. China's policy has not yielded good results as everyone can see. The reality is China is actually losing long time allies. Even N. Korea is now inching closer to Russia and Russia itself is becoming more inattentive to China's interests. The fact that Russia is increasing its arms sales to India and Vietnam is a slap in China's face that signals the serious failure of China's diplomacy. It is time for the Chinese leaders to stop their self-delusion and show the world that China can and will fight to safeguard its sovereign territories and that the international community has better respect China's sovereignty or face the consequences.

At the same time, the Chinese people should learn a few simple facts such as a war against Vietnam will not collapse China's economy if China confines the fighting to the S. China Sea and not attack Vietnam mainland itself. The Chinese people should also know that combat radius of China's fighters such as J-10 and J-11 can all reach the farthest areas of Nansha A. and therefore China does not need aircraft carriers to begin fighting. The Chinese people should also know that fighting Vietnam and Philippines will not cause world war or turn all the world against China. The world needs China more than China needs the world. At least for now. It has been suggested that EU is facing collapse and only China has the money to bail it out. Specifically, Italy has a debt of some $2 trillion. It is suggested that a consortium be formed to provide $750 billion to the IMF to be distributed to Italy to bail it out. China is expected to contribute half of the money. The importing countries need China's cheap exports while China can expand its economy much more sustainably by phasing out exports. Therefore, China is in a very good position to go to war now to regain its lost sovereign territories while at the same time create a new image of a powerful nation willing to defend itself. Such a powerful image will go a long way toward discouraging further aggressions from puny countries.

The cost of war is minimal and the international community needs China's money and exports. Everything is now favorable to China going to war. Such an opportunity may not come again. China must "take the tide while it serves."

Those who are interested in reading more about China's evidence for claiming sovereignty in S. China Sea can go to the following link:

"S. China Sea - possession is nine-tenth of the law."

http://www.network54.com/Forum/238054/thre...enth+of+the+law.

This post has been edited by Liang1a: Sep 19 2011, 03:44 PM

[Yerroperil]

Midnight Sun,your rebuttals make it even more clear that ivy20 is a troll and rants on how CPP is evil(Chinese Communists' cunning propagandas lol favorite phrase). look at this bullsh1t she posts... These are the true & the fact:

1. Cantonese are descendants of Baiyue ancestors. Not all southern Chinese speak Cantonese, but many other southern Chinese, who speak difference languages, are also descendants of Baiyue ancestors.
2. Vietnamese are descendants of Baiyue ancestors.
3. By genetic scientific evidences, Vietnamese & many ethnic groups in China, including Cantonese, are blood relation
4. Vietnamese & southern Chinese have some similar culture & food & archaeology evidences (from Baiyue culture & archaeology artifacts)
6. Archaeology evidences of Northern & Southern China are difference
7. By genetic scientific evidences, nothern Chinese & Southern Chinese have different genetic
8. Culture, figure & surename are difference from Northern & Southern Chinese, eventhough most of them belong to the same Sino Tibetan speaking group.
9. During the last 2,000 years, since Qin dynasty stole the land of Bai Yue ancestors ( from Yangtze river to the south), there are many waves of nothern Han Chinese moved to the south; however, in present time, majority of Southern Chinese are descendants of Baiyue, according to history & DNA evidences.
10. Northern Han Chinese are descendants of Baiyue people mixed with Altaic people
11. More than 10,000 years ago, Baiyue people in Southern China are from Vietnam. Therefore, ancient Vietnamese in nothern Vietnam were ancestors of Baiyue people in Vietnam & southern China, according to DNA tests, Human Migration Map, anthropology & archaeology evidences. (It is the same meaning of acient Vietnam legend about Vietnamese King Lac Long Quan & his wife, Au Co has 100 children, each children became the leader of each tribe. It means Vietnamese King Lac Long Quan & his wife are ancestors of many ethnic groups, that belong to Baiyue people)

I seriously can't tell if she wants Chinese to be related to Vietnamese or not...

[ivy20]

Midnight Sun,your rebuttals make it even more clear that ivy20 is a troll and rants on how CPP is evil(Chinese Communists' cunning propagandas lol favorite phrase). look at this bullsh1t she posts... These are the true & the fact:

1. Cantonese are descendants of Baiyue ancestors. Not all southern Chinese speak Cantonese, but many other southern Chinese, who speak difference languages, are also descendants of Baiyue ancestors.
2. Vietnamese are descendants of Baiyue ancestors.
3. By genetic scientific evidences, Vietnamese & many ethnic groups in China, including Cantonese, are blood relation
4. Vietnamese & southern Chinese have some similar culture & food & archaeology evidences (from Baiyue culture & archaeology artifacts)
6. Archaeology evidences of Northern & Southern China are difference
7. By genetic scientific evidences, nothern Chinese & Southern Chinese have different genetic
8. Culture, figure & surename are difference from Northern & Southern Chinese, eventhough most of them belong to the same Sino Tibetan speaking group.
9. During the last 2,000 years, since Qin dynasty stole the land of Bai Yue ancestors ( from Yangtze river to the south), there are many waves of nothern Han Chinese moved to the south; however, in present time, majority of Southern Chinese are descendants of Baiyue, according to history & DNA evidences.
10. Northern Han Chinese are descendants of Baiyue people mixed with Altaic people
11. More than 10,000 years ago, Baiyue people in Southern China are from Vietnam. Therefore, ancient Vietnamese in nothern Vietnam were ancestors of Baiyue people in Vietnam & southern China, according to DNA tests, Human Migration Map, anthropology & archaeology evidences. (It is the same meaning of acient Vietnam legend about Vietnamese King Lac Long Quan & his wife, Au Co has 100 children, each children became the leader of each tribe. It means Vietnamese King Lac Long Quan & his wife are ancestors of many ethnic groups, that belong to Baiyue people)

I seriously can't tell if she wants Chinese to be related to Vietnamese or not...

The problem is that you don't have enough knowledge about history, archaeology, linquistic, Human Migrations & DNA evidences, so you can not see the true about
Bai yue & Southern Chinese!

I will show you the the proofs & evidences about the true of Bai yue & Southern Chinese, these proofs are from Chinese Proffessors, Chinese experts also from International professors. Do you think you have "an ocean of knowledge" much more than many Chinese experts & International professors?

This thread is using for discussing about S. China Sea, it's real wrong place to discuss the ancestors of Southern Chinese in this thread. Go to Cantonese & Southern Chinese thread to discuss related informations.

Do you think I "want Chinese to be related to Vietnamese"? The answer is NO!

And also all Vietnamese never want to be Han Chinese or related to Han Chinese. The history of China & Vietnam in the last 2,000 years have proved that. During the last 2,000 years, Vietnamese have always fought against Han Chinese invasion to protect Vietnamese culture, Vietnamese language, Vietnamese identity & Vietnam territory.. Read history again to learn about that.

I am proud of Vietnam is a small country, but always full of heroes. I am proud of while China & many countries in this world were defeated & enslaved by Mongol Empire for many years, but Vietnamese ancestors defeated Mongol Empire 3 times to protect Vietnam independence, when Vietnam had very small population as much as 1/20 population of China at that time (1/20 = 5%). Why do I want to be related to many southern chinese, who ancestors are defeated by Han Chinese, and they have to be assimilated to Han Chinese???

But I do respect the true & the facts from evidences of history, archaeology, anthropology, Human Migrations & DNA from International professors.

This post has been edited by ivy20: Sep 27 2011, 08:12 PM

[ivy20]

The main purpose for I am posting comments here is for Peace & Justice in South China Sea for all countries surrounding S. China Sea.

If China does not respect International Laws, many countries in this world will involve in World War III to protect International waters in South China Sea and the rights of all countries surrounding S. China Sea.

China will never never 'swallow' entire S. China Sea as China's greedy dream!

This post has been edited by ivy20: Sep 27 2011, 02:31 PM

[chutzpah]

The main purpose for I am posting comments here is for Peace & Justice in South China Sea for all countries surrounding S. China Sea.

If China does not respect International Laws, many countries in this world will involve in World War III to protect International waters in South China Sea and the rights of all countries surrounding S. China Sea.

China will never never 'swallow' entire S. China Sea as China's greedy dream!

for Peace & Justice ??? You are kidding right? As you are obviously too stupid, so let me explain again. It is your aggressive and nasty and unnecessary labeling and name calling that many find objectionable. Whether what you said is factual or historically accurate is beside the point (not that anything you said can be trusted) just look at the many disapprovals voiced by many about you in this thread. Understand stupid? Do you even understand the meaning of peace and justice? No one really cares about your hate for China and her people. But you should at least learn to be civil even though that is not part of your culture. As there are other nationalities here as well, it is international so be polite, it is not a Viet only chat site where you can behave as rudely and as obnoxiously as you like.

This post has been edited by chutzpah: Sep 27 2011, 06:16 PM