S.Korea to build naval base near disputed island Options

[Rayzor]

South Korea will build a naval base near an island claimed by both Seoul and Tokyo so that its warships can deploy faster than Japan's in case of disputes, a lawmaker said Wednesday.

Chung Mi-Kyung of the ruling Grand National Party said the government would build a $300 million naval base on Ulleung island by 2015.

Ulleung is the closest South Korean territory to the Seoul-controlled islets in the Sea of Japan (East Sea) which are known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japan.

Chung cited data from the transport ministry which would partly finance the project, saying construction would begin in 2012. The ministry confirmed the report.

The new base will feature a 300-metre (990-feet) pier big enough to accommodate Aegis destroyers and the 14,000-tonne amphibious landing ship named Dokdo, Chung said.

"It will help strengthen our territorial rights on Dokdo as our naval ships can reach the islands quickly in times of disputes with Japan," she said in a statement.

Once the base is complete, Seoul would be able to send its ship to Dokdo in an hour and a half compared to the current four hours, she said. Japan's ships would take about three hours.

South Korea has for decades deployed a small marine police force on the rocky islets.

The dispute over them flared up again in June when Korean Air mounted a test flight of its new aircraft over Dokdo. Tokyo in response ordered its public servants to boycott Korean Air for a month.

Three conservative Tokyo lawmakers who intended to visit Ulleung to reassert their country's claim to Dokdo were refused permission to enter South Korea in early August.

South Korea the same month lodged a strong diplomatic protest against Japan's 2011 defence white paper, which describes the islands as Japanese territory.

Older South Koreans still have bitter memories of Japan's harsh colonial role over Korea from 1910-45.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/korea-build-naval...-025849508.html

[Banzai]

I wonder what percentage of the ROK forces are positioned across from Japan to defend her southern flank? I'm guess very little since America has command of S. Korea's military during war-time.

[ccL1]

Good. I hate colonialist powers. Dokdo is South Korea and that's final.

And people somehow people only criticize China while completely ignore historical and current transgressions of Japan, LOL. Avoiding these boards too because their world views are totally shattered.

[hatorade]

lol typical korean response. lol

[zoopiter]

Good. I hate colonialist powers. Dokdo is South Korea and that's final.

And people somehow people only criticize China while completely ignore historical and current transgressions of Japan, LOL. Avoiding these boards too because their world views are totally shattered.

while imperial japanese expansion had war atrocities of a greater or similar severity with cultural revolution and taiping rebellion and its suppression, these are matters that had walk into history. no doubt there are historians, politicians or civilian groups that had shady or distorted views, they do not represent anything near a majority.

i suppose china's situation may be different becos the occupation is still current and not a matter of the past, and majority not only shares the view but supports it with much fervence. and this extends overseas.

this may explain a difference in concern, but should not account for a none or all response from some people - a short answer would be there is this minority that is biased.

This post has been edited by zoopiter: Sep 29 2011, 11:16 PM

[HotdogLotion]

while imperial japanese expansion had war atrocities of a greater or similar severity with cultural revolution and taiping rebellion and its suppression, these are matters that had walk into history. no doubt there are historians, politicians or civilian groups that had shady or distorted views, they do not represent anything near a majority.

i suppose china's situation may be different becos the occupation is still current and not a matter of the past, and majority not only shares the view but supports it with much fervence. and this extends overseas.

this may explain a difference in concern, but should not account for a none or all response from some people - a short answer would be there is this minority that is biased.

Whenever a Korean criticizes Japan, Santa aka Zoopiter can't wait to jump out to defend his Japanese ally while dragging China into the shiit.....This is how you ID Santa's clone 101......

[zoopiter]

to avoid trolls from deliberately misinterpreting my post, i'm adding an elaboration on the original intended meaning.

this may explain a difference in concern, but should not account for a none or all response from some people - a short answer would be there is this minority that is biased.

and therefore, the minority that completely ignore historical and current transgressions of Japan - are biased.

i wasn't the one that first brought china into the topic. the post is in reply to ccl1 and ends there, as china had no further implication with dokdo.

This post has been edited by zoopiter: Sep 30 2011, 12:16 AM

[Banzai]

Japan only has like four or five neighbors.

China/Taiwan - Senkaku/Diaoyutai island dispute.
Koreas - Dokdo/Takeshima island dispute.
Russia - Kuril island dispute.

Isn't there a dispute over Southern Sakhalin islands as well?

[zoopiter]

Japan only has like four or five neighbors.

China/Taiwan - Senkaku/Diaoyutai island dispute.
Koreas - Dokdo/Takeshima island dispute.
Russia - Kuril island dispute.

Isn't there a dispute over Southern Sakhalin islands as well?

so what is your point? russia and china had a long border with multiple border conflicts, claims or disputes as well, is there any value in counting or comparing then?

more importantly is that these disputes do not proceed further to military clashes, and those territories involving human population are managed appropriately in the interest of the residents.

[WideAwake]

lol typical korean response. lol

Typical troll response.

[HotdogLotion]

to avoid trolls from deliberately misinterpreting my post, i'm adding an elaboration on the original intended meaning.



and therefore, the minority that completely ignore historical and current transgressions of Japan - are biased.

i wasn't the one that first brought china into the topic. the post is in reply to ccl1 and ends there, as china had no further implication with dokdo.

Like I said before.....To identify "Santa Clone"....just follow my instructions in my previous post.....lol

[NigNag]

so what is your point? russia and china had a long border with multiple border conflicts, claims or disputes as well, is there any value in counting or comparing then?

more importantly is that these disputes do not proceed further to military clashes, and those territories involving human population are managed appropriately in the interest of the residents.

I'm pretty sure Russia and China resolved their border conflict in 2001. Russia sacrificed territory to China.

The only disputed land border conflict that China has at the moment is with India.

Why are you making up stuff Zoopiter? Are you just pulling information out of your butt with out of date information?


This post has been edited by NigNag: Oct 1 2011, 04:05 AM

[Flowerseed]

I'm pretty sure Russia and China resolved their border conflict in 2001. Russia sacrificed territory to China.

The only disputed land border conflict that China has at the moment is with India.

Why are you making up stuff Zoopiter? Are you just pulling information out of your butt with out of date information?

Chinese border conflicts with Russia and central asian countries were resolved some while ago already, what remain are the issues with india, south china sea and island with japan,

Technically the biggest potential of border conflicts could be with korea as the south korean nationalists are trying to stirr up stuffs with north china history/claim, gando, mount changbai or even by sea. But since they are blowing up too much steam while without unification with north korea all such matters would mean jack$hit, oh and south korean government never got the balls.

[KraterosHellas]

LOL i thought they were allies! what's wrong? u guys only matey with uncle sam?

[qwerty2010]

Actually, if S Korea has the historic proof and documentation, I don't see why China will not acknowledge its claim, as China bases its own territorial claims on the same principles of historic documentation.

[KraterosHellas]

Actually, if S Korea has the historic proof and documentation, I don't see why China will not acknowledge its claim, as China bases its own territorial claims on the same principles of historic documentation.

no. i think china should support japan irregardless of the documents. i'm much more worried about the china-japan relations. things have gotten bad enough, they can't get any worse. there's only room left for improvement now.

[zoopiter]

I'm pretty sure Russia and China resolved their border conflict in 2001. Russia sacrificed territory to China.

The only disputed land border conflict that China has at the moment is with India.

Why are you making up stuff Zoopiter? Are you just pulling information out of your butt with out of date information?

border issues of russia
border issues of china
not border issues between russia and china.

thx

I'm talking respectively 1911 till now for russia (including Siberia), and 1949 till now for china.

Besides are u Asian? U can seek clarification but u need to avoid offensive languages

This post has been edited by zoopiter: Oct 2 2011, 05:11 AM

[WarmWater1]

Japan has a territory feud with every single one of her neighbors. China has only territorial feud with India, which was a legacy of British imperialism.

So if you want to compare, then compare all you want. It doesn't make it false that Japan has territorial problems with everyone one of her neighbors because she was an aggressor in WW2.

[qwerty2010]

no. i think china should support japan irregardless of the documents. i'm much more worried about the china-japan relations. things have gotten bad enough, they can't get any worse. there's only room left for improvement now.

Sometimes, it feels weird to read your posts as they don't have a core coherence....I'm all for better China-Japan relations, I hope they will find a way to resolve all their disputes peacefully, and increase economic and political relations.

However, as the party which lost the war and signed a series of documents from Cairo Declaration to Potsdam which it is obliged to honor, Japan should have renounced its legal claims over all the prewar annexed non-Japanese territories as a matter of principle. Even Okinawa was supposed to be ceded as its annexation was considered illegal. So these islands and territorial disputes are really unfinished business. I always respect the Japanese for their sense of honor and respect for the Law, so this is quite difficult to understand. Of course few nations are willing to give up territories they conquered, but Germany did, not only territory its conquered, even land which belonged to Germany prior to WWII, I believe, were ceded to Poland and USSR. It didn't affect the economic or political fortunes of Germany - they're still a powerhouse today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_e...tion_of_Germany

Modern Germany was formed in 1871 when Otto von Bismarck unified most of the German-speaking states (with the notable exception of Austria) into the German Empire.^[1] After the First World War Germany lost about 10% of her territory to her neighbours and the Weimar Republic was formed. This republic included territories to the east of today's German borders, most notably East Prussia. The period of Nazi rule from the 1930s through the end of the Second World War brought significant changes. Nazi Germany initially expanded the country's territory dramatically and conquered most of Europe, though not all areas were added to Germany proper. The Nazis' fortunes changed during the invasion of Soviet Union, and the Allies defeated and occupied Germany.

Immediately after the war, all territorial gains were reversed and pre-war Germany was split into British, French and American occupation zones in the northwest, west and south and a Soviet occupation zone in the centre; the capital Berlin was similarly divided into four sectors. The former eastern territories of Germany were ceded to Poland and the Soviet Union and the Oder and Neisse Rivers became Germany's new eastern boundary. The majority of this territory became Poland's "Recovered Territories" while approximately one-third of East Prussia became Russia's Kaliningrad Oblast; virtually the entire German population in these areas was expelled or fled. In the west, the Saar area formed a French-controlled protectorate with limited autonomy, but its own citizenship laws.

This post has been edited by qwerty2010: Oct 2 2011, 10:13 AM

[Joseon]

i can't forgive japan for what they did to Korea in the 20th century. There is still no remorse or respect for Korean people from that ugly island in the east. When in fact, Korean people are the most innovative and hard working people in Asia. That is a fact.

This naval base is controlled by US dictates and directives. There is no South Korea. It is the United Nations of South Korea.

There is no hope or glory in the peninsula as of 2011 AD. I do hope that in 20,000 years in the future, Korea will become a dominant super power in the globe. That, will better the lives of all mankind with genius and empathy. Though, we will never live to see to fruition. That is my hope.

This post has been edited by Joseon: Nov 14 2011, 07:44 AM