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New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings?
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post Feb 16 2012, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE (Leeporter @ Feb 16 2012, 03:41 AM) *

Tell us who in SEA you suspected of using the name Hun Pankuang if not Kun Pan Wang.

Khmer? -elaug
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Funan king names are more likely to be Tai name than Khmer name.

Or maybe Malay name?

but Khmer have least possibility.
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post Feb 16 2012, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 03:40 PM) *
Yes, that's why he said you should read all pages of this thread!



so love how do you agree with lees theory that there are tai speaking leaders of funan? where did they magically come from? and how are they significant to siams history if you say siam is a aa speaking people? the certainess is amazing that you guys can predict how the tai languages sounded 1800 going off of a chinese transliteration. thats quite a jump. did you ever stop and think that chinese was probably very different back then as well? mandarin is not the same as it was 1800 years ago either. im suprised how you guys deduct all this information by just changing a letter from H to K that shows how tai kadai speakers were somehow that deep in se asia when they hadnt even cracked the border of present day china vietnam yet.

am i the only one that sees this as comical and outrageous? embarassedlaugh.gif
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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 02:45 PM) *
did you ever stop and think that chinese was probably very different back then as well? mandarin is not the same as it was 1800 years ago either.


Yes, it was already discussed and that's why I told you to go back to read from page 1. And you are still be heer keep talking what we have already did. icon_smile.gif
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 02:42 AM) *
another example for sound change...

Proto-Tai /rh/ change to /r/ in Thai and /h/ in Tai Lanna and Lao.

/kh/ can change to /k/ and /h/.


And H/ can magically turn into K/???? Hahahahahahahaha
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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 03:45 AM) *
so love how do you agree with lees theory that there are tai speaking leaders of funan? where did they magically come from? and how are they significant to siams history if you say siam is a aa speaking people? the certainess is amazing that you guys can predict how the tai languages sounded 1800 going off of a chinese transliteration. thats quite a jump. did you ever stop and think that chinese was probably very different back then as well? mandarin is not the same as it was 1800 years ago either. im suprised how you guys deduct all this information by just changing a letter from H to K that shows how tai kadai speakers were somehow that deep in se asia when they hadnt even cracked the border of present day china vietnam yet.

am i the only one that sees this as comical and outrageous? embarassedlaugh.gif


So they are Khmer names? LOL
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QUOTE (SEAhistory @ Feb 16 2012, 02:50 PM) *
And H/ can magically turn into K/???? Hahahahahahahaha


You too, go back to read from page 1. icon_smile.gif
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 03:45 PM) *
Funan king names are more likely to be Tai name than Khmer name.

Or maybe Malay name?

but Khmer have least possibility.


yes its amazing how the tai started off in southeast asia then magically decided to reassemble back in southern china then run backwards to southeast asia why didnt they just stay there in southeast asia if they are near water and more land to avoid being pushed around by han chinese? talk about a dumb group of people hey guys we have open land here near the sea with (mon khmer servants) but lets just abandon all that and head north and see what happens. oh yea and lets leave no records we were here either in southeast asia but our transliterated names by ancient mandarin standards should be enough. thats enough for us to be found in future!
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 02:45 AM) *
Funan king names are more likely to be Tai name than Khmer name.

Or maybe Malay name?

but Khmer have least possibility.


So whom are "Kit Mow" that sailedd to Chi Tu? And whom were the original inhabitants of Chi Tu?
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 03:51 PM) *
So they are Khmer names? LOL


lol love you never answer i ask you the thai race identity you redirect it back to me so khmer is a race?

i ask how these tai ended up in funan to begin with when all their history and artifacts are stuck in southern china the response is so those names are khmer names?

way 2 avoid the subject over and over
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QUOTE (SEAhistory @ Feb 16 2012, 03:50 AM) *
And H/ can magically turn into K/???? Hahahahahahahaha


It's Chinese sound change.

/kh/ to /h/

Have ever read all of members commented here? Or you just post and post your own opinion? embarassedlaugh.gif
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QUOTE (Leeporter @ Feb 16 2012, 03:52 PM) *
You too, go back to read from page 1. icon_smile.gif



HEY GAIZ LOOK AT THIS

WOWEE PRE ANGKORIAN KHMER YO

khlo˝ ~ klo˝ /kʰloːɲ/ A487
[Pre-Angkorian klo˝; mod. Khmer ខ្លោង khloṅ /kʰlaːoŋ/].
definitions
1 n. Chief, head, leader, director.1
references
klo˝: K.124:8, 14 (A.D. 803, C III:170); K.324A:23, 48, B:11 (A.D. 893, NIC II/III:62); K.256B:31 (A.D. 979, BEFEO, XXXVII:379, APK II:89); K.809N:3, 14 (A.D. 878/87, C I:37);

khlo˝: passim, 673 occurrences.

IM GONNA REACH AND SAY KHLON=HAN in chinese and it makes sense everyone yay case closed lols
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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 02:52 PM) *
yes its amazing how the tai started off in southeast asia then magically decided to reassemble back in southern china then run backwards to southeast asia why didnt they just stay there in southeast asia if they are near water and more land to avoid being pushed around by han chinese?


Yes, they expanded their kingdom/empire up north.

Yes, some of them stay and that was Funan/chenla! icon_smile.gif

Those who expanded upnorth and made a clash with China and retreated back in 11st-12nd century.

You agree right? that there was no reason for them to keep themselves in the desert without trying to reach the sea in the south while Khmer Ler just jumped over their head to today CAmbodia.

Wasn't your theory of Tai kept themselve in the desert and let the Khmer jumped over their head and then they followed sound strange? embarassedlaugh.gif
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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 03:52 AM) *
yes its amazing how the tai started off in southeast asia then magically decided to reassemble back in southern china then run backwards to southeast asia why didnt they just stay there in southeast asia if they are near water and more land to avoid being pushed around by han chinese? talk about a dumb group of people hey guys we have open land here near the sea with (mon khmer servants) but lets just abandon all that and head north and see what happens. oh yea and lets leave no records we were here either in southeast asia but our transliterated names by ancient mandarin standards should be enough. thats enough for us to be found in future!


Tai King names

QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 14 2012, 01:39 AM) *
This is intersting.. Names of Tai rulers in Wieng Chiang Sane เวียงเชียงแสน/เวียงปรึกษา 1090-1181 (547-638 AD), the successor of Tai Yonok Naga Phandh โยนกนาคพันธุ์(Singhanavati สิงหนวัติ) 638-1088 (95-545 AD)

http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/เว...;สน


ราชวงศ์โกชกเวียงปฤกษา
ขุนลัง Khun Lang
ขุนจาง Khun Cang
ขุนลาน Khun Lan
ขุนถาน Khun Than
ขุนตาม Khun Tam
ขุนตง Khun Tong
ขุนแตง Khun Taeng
ขุนดัน Khun Dan
ขุนกง Khun Kong
ขุนจอม Khun Com
ขุนชง Khun Chong
ขุนชิต Khun Chit
ขุนอิทธิ Khun Ithi
ขุนสิทธะ Khun Siddha
ขุนศุกขะ Khun Shukha

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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 02:58 PM) *
IM GONNA REACH AND SAY KHLON=HAN in chinese and it makes sense everyone yay case closed lols


ha ha ha ha .. embarassedlaugh.gif

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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 02:58 AM) *
HEY GAIZ LOOK AT THIS

WOWEE PRE ANGKORIAN KHMER YO

khlo˝ ~ klo˝ /kʰloːɲ/ A487
[Pre-Angkorian klo˝; mod. Khmer ខ្លោង khloṅ /kʰlaːoŋ/].
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klo˝: K.124:8, 14 (A.D. 803, C III:170); K.324A:23, 48, B:11 (A.D. 893, NIC II/III:62); K.256B:31 (A.D. 979, BEFEO, XXXVII:379, APK II:89); K.809N:3, 14 (A.D. 878/87, C I:37);

khlo˝: passim, 673 occurrences.

IM GONNA REACH AND SAY KHLON=HAN in chinese and it makes sense everyone yay case closed lols


Khlon is Hun! Wow!!! What an amazing finding! Checked and mate!
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QUOTE (chadwarden @ Feb 16 2012, 03:58 AM) *
HEY GAIZ LOOK AT THIS

WOWEE PRE ANGKORIAN KHMER YO

khlo˝ ~ klo˝ /kʰloːɲ/ A487
[Pre-Angkorian klo˝; mod. Khmer ខ្លោង khloṅ /kʰlaːoŋ/].
definitions
1 n. Chief, head, leader, director.1
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klo˝: K.124:8, 14 (A.D. 803, C III:170); K.324A:23, 48, B:11 (A.D. 893, NIC II/III:62); K.256B:31 (A.D. 979, BEFEO, XXXVII:379, APK II:89); K.809N:3, 14 (A.D. 878/87, C I:37);

khlo˝: passim, 673 occurrences.

IM GONNA REACH AND SAY KHLON=HAN in chinese and it makes sense everyone yay case closed lols


Give me more. That's interesting! icon_smile.gif
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 03:01 PM) *
This is intersting.. Names of Tai rulers in Wieng Chiang Sane เวียงเชียงแสน/เวียงปรึกษา 1090-1181 (547-638 AD), the successor of Tai Yonok Naga Phandh โยนกนาคพันธุ์(Singhanavati สิงหนวัติ) 638-1088 (95-545 AD)

http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/เว...;สน


ราชวงศ์โกชกเวียงปฤกษา
ขุนลัง Khun Lang
ขุนจาง Khun Cang
ขุนลาน Khun Lan
ขุนถาน Khun Than
ขุนตาม Khun Tam
ขุนตง Khun Tong
ขุนแตง Khun Taeng
ขุนดัน Khun Dan
ขุนกง Khun Kong
ขุนจอม Khun Com
ขุนชง Khun Chong
ขุนชิต Khun Chit
ขุนอิทธิ Khun Ithi
ขุนสิทธะ Khun Siddha
ขุนศุกขะ Khun Shukha



They will tell you those are Khmer kings. embarassedlaugh.gif
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QUOTE (Leeporter @ Feb 16 2012, 04:00 PM) *
Yes, they expanded their kingdom/empire up north.

Yes, some of them stay and that was Funan/chenla! icon_smile.gif

Those who expanded upnorth and made a clash with China and retreated back in 11st-12nd century.

You agree right? that there was no reason for them to keep themselves in the desert without trying to reach the sea in the south while Khmer Ler just jumped over their head to today CAmbodia.

Wasn't your theory of Tai kept themselve in the desert and let the Khmer jumped over their head and then they followed sound strange? embarassedlaugh.gif


ok so where is the record of the tai people after funan into chenla? and if you can read the origin of the tai its the area north of vietnam into china. everyone knows this already
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QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Feb 16 2012, 03:01 PM) *
Tai King names


What Khun mean in Thai language? Is that not mean You or Person? Lest Civilization King name! ^^
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QUOTE (Leeporter @ Feb 16 2012, 03:00 AM) *
Yes, they expanded their kingdom/empire up north.

Yes, some of them stay and that was Funan/chenla! icon_smile.gif

Those who expanded upnorth and made a clash with China and retreated back in 11st-12nd century.

You agree right? that there was no reason for them to keep themselves in the desert without trying to reach the sea in the south while Khmer Ler just jumped over their head to today CAmbodia.

Wasn't your theory of Tai kept themselve in the desert and let the Khmer jumped over their head and then they followed sound strange? embarassedlaugh.gif


Why dont you go read from page 1. Havent I showed You that Khmer cultrue and language always went from South to North, dindt I show you that Khmer cultrue and language only arrived in Isan after Isanavarman expanded territory of his father in Mon territory? Thats why Khmer artifacts are built in center of Mon artifacts after 550AD.

Now, pls go back to Chi Tu kingdom. Who were Kit Mow and whom were the original inhabitants?
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