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[KhmerBoi]

ha ha ha .. I've tried to search the history of Funan and every version started with the king Hun-Tien.
You show me what you have and I will tell you what it was and in which period.

adn Don't you tear your eyes that they mention Lievyee as the first ruler and Hun Tien is second?

[Leeporter]

According to the Kedukan Bukit Inscription, dated 605 Saka (683 AD), the empire of Srivijaya was founded by Dapunta Hyang Çri Yacanaca (Dapunta Hyang Sri Jayanasa). He led 20,000 troops (mainly by land plus a few hundred ships) from Minanga Tamwan to Jambi and Palembang.

SEAhistory, I can use the same one paragraph to whip all fake theory of the French G.Coedes out of the table.

"During the winter of 961 A.D. the tribute was sent by a king called Che-li Wou-ye. These ambassadors reported that the kingdom of San-fo-tsi was also called Sien-lieou."


Srivijaya was on mainland and it was Siam-Lavo.

UNLESS, Java and Sumatra want to claim that they were called "Siam-Lavo" before.

And if you still insisted that the center of Srivijaya was in Indonesia, go back to read the link you gave me earlier.

"Srivijaya Toward Chaiya" -
http://www7.plala.or.jp/seareview/newpage6Sri2011Chaiya.html





This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 16 2012, 10:13 PM

[LoveIsAllAround]

Love, you don't understand. You should copy this paragraph and save it somewhere for your reference.

It's a magic key to fight with these Khmer retards.

This paragraph alone shows a lot, much more than you think.

Let's read it again.


"During the winter of 961 A.D. the tribute was sent by a king called Che-li Wou-ye. These ambassadors reported that the kingdom of San-fo-tsi was also called Sien-lieou."

This is what I got from a book "Ancient Indian Colonies In The Far East Vol II Suvarnadvipa Part I Political History".

I don't have access to the book itself. The text was OCRed from the book, so I am not sure what the correct spelling of the last word "lieou" is.

But anyone can guess that it refers to Siam-Lavo. And it also matches what I found earlier in Thai version


“พ.ศ. 1504 พระเจ้าแผ่นดินประเทศสัน-โฟ-ชิ ทรงพระนามว่า เช-ลี-วู-เย ส่งคณะทูตคุมเครื่องราชบรรณาการไปยังราชสำนักจีน คณะทูตกราบทูลรายงานว่า ประเทศสัน-โฟ-ชิ ของพวกเขานั้น เวลานี้มีชื่อเรียกว่าเสียน-หลัว-กวั่ว..”


Now, what does this golden paragraph shows?

1) It proves that Srivijaya = Siam-Lavo!!!!

2) It proves that Srivijaya was on mainland, not in Java or Sumatra,

UNLESS Java or Sumatra claim that they were called "Siam-Lavo" before.

3) It makes the theory that Siam existed only after Sukhothai in 13rd century totally collapsed!
Because we had the name "Siam-Lavo" mentioned in Chinese's record of 961 A.D.!!!!

4) Srivijaya existed in the Chinese record between 670 - 1178, that mean Siam-Lavo also existed at least from 670!!!!

Now, Funan in the Chinese record was between 150-572.

Chenla started around 590-610.

I've proposed the evidences that Funan's kings (at least for the first period) were Tai-speaking people.

I know it's unbelivable for both Khmer and Thai members here and many of them laughed at me because it contradict to what they studied in school that Siam history started at 1240. So, people think that it's not possible to have a Tai-speaking people in the Golden Peninsular before 1240.

The paragraph found in Chinese record above proves that what people believed is TOTALLY wrong!

Now, I've proved that Siam = Srivijaya and it can be traced back to at least 670 A.D.

I've reduced the gap from 1240 A.D. to 670 A.D., a huge leap!

And it also resuced the impossibility of Siam was previously Funan.

Funan started 150, some 500 years earlier. Unfortunately, there is not much evidences found about Funan so it's more difficult to prove.

But I am sure, with the help of Internet, I can link the rulers of Srivijaya with the rulers of Funan.

Great! It's really great discover! What I think now is Siam extended their power to more inland, to Angkor areas and began to colonized those AA tribals in present day Cambodia. I'd say Kambujadesa aka Angkor kingdom was an extension of Siam.

bravo~~ and chaiyo~~~

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 16 2012, 08:50 PM

[Leeporter]

Xian-lou-kok:

Xian (Chinese: 仙/仚/僊; pinyin: xiān; Wade–Giles: hsien) is a Chinese word for an enlightened person, translatable in English as:

"spiritually immortal; transcendent; super-human; celestial being" (in Daoist/Taoist philosophy and cosmology)
"physically immortal; immortal person; immortalist; saint" (in Daoist religion and pantheon)
"alchemist; one who seeks the elixir of life; one who practices longevity techniques" or by extension "(alchemical, dietary, qigong) methods for attaining immortality" (in Chinese alchemy)
"wizard; magician; shaman" (in Chinese mythology)
"genie; elf, fairy; nymph" (in popular Chinese literature, 仙境 xian jing is "fairyland", Faerie)
"sage living high in the mountains; mountain-man; hermit; recluse" (folk etymology for the character 仙)
"immortal (talent); accomplished person; celestial (beauty); marvelous; extraordinary" (metaphorical modifier)
Xian semantically developed from meaning spiritual "immortality; enlightenment", to physical "immortality; longevity" involving methods such as alchemy, breath meditation, and T'ai chi ch'uan, and eventually to legendary and figurative "immortality".

According to the Digital Dictionary of Buddhism, Chinese xian (仙) can mean Sanskrit ṛṣi (rishi "inspired sage in the Vedas").

Lou-Kok:

Old Chinese name used for an Island. For instance: Chu Lou-Kok.

So the Sanskrit name would be something like: śaiva paṁtha mahaalay

ha ha ha .... every scholar knew and accepted that Sian-Lor = Siam-Lavo.
You idiot are still trying to drag it to something else using the definition of Xian here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_(Taoism)

ha ha ha .. what a laught!

SEAhistory, you are checked and mated!!!!

Let me repost it again.



"During the winter of 961 A.D. the tribute was sent by a king called Che-li Wou-ye. These ambassadors reported that the kingdom of San-fo-tsi was also called Sien-lieou."

Read it 3 times and try to understand it.

[SEAhistory]

ha ha ha .. I've tried to search the history of Funan and every version started with the king Hun-Tien.
You show me what you have and I will tell you what it was and in which period.

Chi Tu (Malay: Tanah Merah) is an ancient kingdom mentioned in the history of China. The Sui Dynasty (581-618) annals describe an advanced kingdom called Chi Tu. The location of Chi Tu was disputed to be around Kelantan or Pahang state in Malay Peninsula, or in Songkhla and Pattani Province of southern Thailand. The best evidence to support the Kelantan theory was when the envoys left Chi Tu, the sail took 10 days to reach Champa, this indicates the kingdom was located somewhere ‘red earth’ around the main river of Kelantan. The inscribed Buddhagupta Stone found in Kedah mentioned a Raktamrttika, the meaning is red earth land.

The royal family's name is Chu-dan and the king is Li-fo-duo-se. According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "...Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area. The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism....".

Chi Tu kingdom along with Langkasuka, Kedah and others were early important trade centers (approximately 100 BCE to 700 CE). During this period, ships coming from China and Funan (from Indian Ocean as well) stop at the coast of Malay Peninsula. They get the local porters to transport the goods, using rafts, elephants and manpower along the Early transpeninsular routeway and part of the ancient Spice Route (Sea Route).


So, according to this story the Funanese "Kit Mow" (which must have been Khmer people), sailed and conquerred the land. And centuries later the original inhabitants conquerred it back. We know that the ending of Chi Tu means the beginning of Srivijaya, so the original inhabitants are the Malay Srivijayan that were driven down south by the Funanese and reqoncuerred it back in 7th century. So, the whole Malay Peninsula was probably already in the hands of Funan! This explains the names of Pan Pan, Pnomh and Chaiya! And this coheres with the expansion of Srivijaya more north and east into what was suddenly Water-Chenla. And also, the Srivijayan conducted raids on the shore of Champa, and Champa had an inscription which tells that they scared away the pirates (Srivijayan), and Jayavarman II took Water-Chenla and started Kamboja at the same time.

CHECKED MATE b!tch

[LoveIsAllAround]

Hahaha, I was just making a joke! I already know you can not explain it. I will soon post why and you will be amazed!

Kit Mow is the Chinese word, so please enlighten me..

Ow yeah, referring to the clothes of Khmer people, didn't the Chinese said that poor Funanase wore a sarong and richer a sarong of better material?? So, we already know how Khmer people dressed, but thanks anyway!

Who care Kit Mow? I really have no idea about it. If you think this 'KIT MOW' prove that you khmer are funanese. Then do it now. I veryyyy love to see it.

what sarong? Native SEA, never wear anything. LOL Sarong is Indian cloth given to your ancestors.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Only, if i were wrong! ^^

If you wanna know why Siamese call themselves Thai. go read pages number 1-80. LOL Don't be too lazy!

[Leeporter]

But Lou-Kok is certainly the word for island. So think about that.

Idiot! Kok (Mandarin Gua) = country or state

[LoveIsAllAround]

Only if it were true! But seem like prove pointing Siem were slave of Khmer together with Mon but Mon is have a better social status then any of Siem! After Mon absorb by Siem so Siem trying to take their heritage claiming to save Siem who were refugee from Mongol kill and slave of Khmer!

we are talking here with evidence not cheap lips. Show me evidence that Mon were slave of Khmer and had higher status than Siem.

All evidinceds in our hands show that Siamese of Mon-Funanese blood, and Cham of Malay-Funanese blood were Ankorean kings who ruled you, Khmer slaves.

[SEAhistory]

Idiot! Kok (Mandarin Gua) = country or state

And Loa Kok island idiot (land in water)!

[KhmerBoi]

Only one, yes! but with mighty image! LOL It's surely that Angkorean (Mon-Funanese) kings and Syam and Lavo kings were related, they must be relatives, so they united to be one to chase Cham enemy out of Angkor.


And if Angkorean kings were really khmer, why there are only one 'KHMER' found in stone inscription? And it's seen in slave language version not Sanskrit. LOL

By you logic, Angkor king was khmer, and Siamese was Tai. As we know Khmer is darker than Tai. And you are saying Syam mean dark? what's a crap logic.

You idiot it was your people who claim Syam is Dark-brown it from your confusing and fulfil with doubt identity...
then I would ask you where you get the word Siam from?

[LoveIsAllAround]

Idiot! Kok (Mandarin Gua) = country or state

He just put Sien Lor Kok to his silly dictionary. what a srouk krao khmer.

[SEAhistory]

Chi Tu (Malay: Tanah Merah) is an ancient kingdom mentioned in the history of China. The Sui Dynasty (581-618) annals describe an advanced kingdom called Chi Tu. The location of Chi Tu was disputed to be around Kelantan or Pahang state in Malay Peninsula, or in Songkhla and Pattani Province of southern Thailand. The best evidence to support the Kelantan theory was when the envoys left Chi Tu, the sail took 10 days to reach Champa, this indicates the kingdom was located somewhere ‘red earth’ around the main river of Kelantan. The inscribed Buddhagupta Stone found in Kedah mentioned a Raktamrttika, the meaning is red earth land.

The royal family's name is Chu-dan and the king is Li-fo-duo-se. According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "...Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area. The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism....".

Chi Tu kingdom along with Langkasuka, Kedah and others were early important trade centers (approximately 100 BCE to 700 CE). During this period, ships coming from China and Funan (from Indian Ocean as well) stop at the coast of Malay Peninsula. They get the local porters to transport the goods, using rafts, elephants and manpower along the Early transpeninsular routeway and part of the ancient Spice Route (Sea Route).


So, according to this story the Funanese "Kit Mow" (which must have been Khmer people), sailed and conquerred the land. And centuries later the original inhabitants conquerred it back. We know that the ending of Chi Tu means the beginning of Srivijaya, so the original inhabitants are the Malay Srivijayan that were driven down south by the Funanese and reqoncuerred it back in 7th century. So, the whole Malay Peninsula was probably already in the hands of Funan! This explains the names of Pan Pan, Pnomh and Chaiya! And this coheres with the expansion of Srivijaya more north and east into what was suddenly Water-Chenla. And also, the Srivijayan conducted raids on the shore of Champa, and Champa had an inscription which tells that they scared away the pirates (Srivijayan), and Jayavarman II took Water-Chenla and started Kamboja at the same time.

CHECKED MATE b!tch

I think we can start a new thread now

[Leeporter]

Chi Tu (Malay: Tanah Merah) is an ancient kingdom mentioned in the history of China. The Sui Dynasty (581-618) annals describe an advanced kingdom called Chi Tu. The location of Chi Tu was disputed to be around Kelantan or Pahang state in Malay Peninsula, or in Songkhla and Pattani Province of southern Thailand. The best evidence to support the Kelantan theory was when the envoys left Chi Tu, the sail took 10 days to reach Champa, this indicates the kingdom was located somewhere ‘red earth’ around the main river of Kelantan. The inscribed Buddhagupta Stone found in Kedah mentioned a Raktamrttika, the meaning is red earth land.

The royal family's name is Chu-dan and the king is Li-fo-duo-se. According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "...Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area. The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism....".

Chi Tu kingdom along with Langkasuka, Kedah and others were early important trade centers (approximately 100 BCE to 700 CE). During this period, ships coming from China and Funan (from Indian Ocean as well) stop at the coast of Malay Peninsula. They get the local porters to transport the goods, using rafts, elephants and manpower along the Early transpeninsular routeway and part of the ancient Spice Route (Sea Route).


So, according to this story the Funanese "Kit Mow" (which must have been Khmer people), sailed and conquerred the land. And centuries later the original inhabitants conquerred it back. We know that the ending of Chi Tu means the beginning of Srivijaya, so the original inhabitants are the Malay Srivijayan that were driven down south by the Funanese and reqoncuerred it back in 7th century. So, the whole Malay Peninsula was probably already in the hands of Funan! This explains the names of Pan Pan, Pnomh and Chaiya! And this coheres with the expansion of Srivijaya more north and east into what was suddenly Water-Chenla. And also, the Srivijayan conducted raids on the shore of Champa, and Champa had an inscription which tells that they scared away the pirates (Srivijayan), and Jayavarman II took Water-Chenla and started Kamboja at the same time.

CHECKED MATE b!tch

ha ha ha ... we have talked about Chitu before. It's Songkla, south of Nakorn Sridhammarath and Chaiya.

Didn't I told you earlier that after the breakout of Funan (which in the late period moved to Isaan and then Cambodia), some elites of Funan fled back to Chaiya and combined several states such as Chitu (Songkla), PanPan (Chaiya), Ligor (Nakorn Sridhammarath), and Kedah (today in Malaysia) and formed what G. Codes called "Srivijaya" (it should be called Sri Bodhi)

Later Srivijaya conquered Sumatra and Java and made them in the same Srivijaya or Sam Bodhi (San Fo Shi)

The same San Fo shi or Srivijaya was mentioned in Chinese record that it was called also "Siam-Lo"

Doesn't it perfectly match? I don't know what Kit Mow is but no contradiction found here.

[LoveIsAllAround]

You idiot it was your people who claim Syam is Dark-brown it from your confusing and fulfil with doubt identity...
then I would ask you where you get the word Siam from?

Hey double idiot! Go read Chad's comment. don't act like a srouk krao who can't read english!

[Leeporter]

He just put Sien Lor Kok to his silly dictionary. what a srouk krao khmer.

He was checked and mated now and want to close this topic.

[Leeporter]

I think we can start a new thread now

OK, SEAhistory.
You go create a new thread and start it with this paragraph.

"During the winter of 961 A.D. the tribute was sent by a king called Che-li Wou-ye. These ambassadors reported that the kingdom of San-fo-tsi was also called Sien-lieou."

We will investigate its implication to Funan and Chenla.

[SEAhistory]

ha ha ha ... we have talked about Chitu before. It's Songkla, south of Nakorn Sridhammarath and Chaiya.

Didn't I told you earlier that after the breakout of Funan (which in the late period moved to Isaan and then Cambodia), some elites of Funan fled back to Chaiya and combined several states such as Chitu (Songkla), PanPan (Chaiya), Ligor (Nakorn Sridhammarath), and Kedah (today in Malaysia) and formed what G. Codes called "Srivijaya" (it should be called Sri Bodhi)

Later Srivijaya conquered Sumatra and Java and made them in the same Srivijaya or Sam Bodhi (San Fo Shi)

The same San Fo shi or Srivijaya was mentioned in Chinese record that it was called also "Siam-Lo"

Doesn't it perfectly match? I don't know what Kit Mow is but no contradiction found here.

I am going to sleep with a smile on my face. As I have proven to you Funan is Khmer. Good night you all

[KhmerBoi]

we are talking here with evidence not cheap lips. Show me evidence that Mon were slave of Khmer and had higher status than Siem.

All evidinceds in our hands show that Siamese of Mon-Funanese blood, and Cham of Malay-Funanese blood were Ankorean kings who ruled you, Khmer slaves.

So tell me if Khmer were slave why they used Khmer language?

[LoveIsAllAround]

Chi Tu (Malay: Tanah Merah) is an ancient kingdom mentioned in the history of China. The Sui Dynasty (581-618) annals describe an advanced kingdom called Chi Tu. The location of Chi Tu was disputed to be around Kelantan or Pahang state in Malay Peninsula, or in Songkhla and Pattani Province of southern Thailand. The best evidence to support the Kelantan theory was when the envoys left Chi Tu, the sail took 10 days to reach Champa, this indicates the kingdom was located somewhere ‘red earth’ around the main river of Kelantan. The inscribed Buddhagupta Stone found in Kedah mentioned a Raktamrttika, the meaning is red earth land.

The royal family's name is Chu-dan and the king is Li-fo-duo-se. According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "...Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area. The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism....".

Chi Tu kingdom along with Langkasuka, Kedah and others were early important trade centers (approximately 100 BCE to 700 CE). During this period, ships coming from China and Funan (from Indian Ocean as well) stop at the coast of Malay Peninsula. They get the local porters to transport the goods, using rafts, elephants and manpower along the Early transpeninsular routeway and part of the ancient Spice Route (Sea Route).


So, according to this story the Funanese "Kit Mow" (which must have been Khmer people), sailed and conquerred the land. And centuries later the original inhabitants conquerred it back. We know that the ending of Chi Tu means the beginning of Srivijaya, so the original inhabitants are the Malay Srivijayan that were driven down south by the Funanese and reqoncuerred it back in 7th century. So, the whole Malay Peninsula was probably already in the hands of Funan! This explains the names of Pan Pan, Pnomh and Chaiya! And this coheres with the expansion of Srivijaya more north and east into what was suddenly Water-Chenla. And also, the Srivijayan conducted raids on the shore of Champa, and Champa had an inscription which tells that they scared away the pirates (Srivijayan), and Jayavarman II took Water-Chenla and started Kamboja at the same time.

CHECKED MATE b!tch

So, Malay were your master, your kings who civilized you Khmer tribal slaves with their Malay culture?

Great summary!, thanks

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 16 2012, 09:12 PM