New Theory on Angkor, Who were the last Varman kings? Options

[Leeporter]

Chad, you was checkmated with my Srivijaya = Siam = Funan evidences and you still can't accept it.

How do you know the rulers of those empire had dark skin???

Let me show you the stone script of King Vishsnu of Srivijaya found in Chaiya.

http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...4&id_part=1
http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...table/194_1.pdf

Second paragraph from the bottom it says "The king of Srivichaiya" who has "white complexion"

This is one of not many stone inscription (if any) that tell us whether the ruler had light or dark skin.

I didn't say they were Tai. I only claimed that their non-indian names like Kun Tian, Kun Pan Wang etc. were Tai.

But you always talked about the dark skin, so I give you the local people who have dark skin and the evidence that the ruler (King Vishanu) had lighter skin.

Try again, Chad.



This post has been edited by Leeporter: Feb 19 2012, 10:35 PM

[chadwarden]

They spotted dark and naked inhabitant, walking with bare feet. Maybe those Tai rulers ruled the negrito?

ah the favorite word of all asia finest trolls negrito.

still makes no sense like saying a black man was leading ancient greece and nobody says a thing about it. of course if that happened they made note of it people arent stupid.

[chadwarden]

Chad, you was checkmated with my Srivijaya = Siam = Funan evidences and you still can't accept it.

How do you know the rulers of those empire had dark skin???

Let me show you the stone script of King Vishsnu of Srivijaya found in Chaiya.

http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...4&id_part=1
http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...table/194_1.pdf

Second paragraph from the bottom it says "The king of Srivichaiya" who has "white complexion"

This is one of not many stone inscription (if any) that tell us whether the ruler had light or dark skin.

I didn't say they were Tai. I only claimed that their non-indian names like Kun Tian, Kun Pan Wang etc. were Tai.

But you always talked about the dark skin, so I give you the local people who have dark skin and the evidence that the ruler (King Vishanu) had lighter skin.

Try again, Chad.

who has white skin and speaks another language? hm nope dont see that part. who has light skin and resembles the people we know as the tai and dai that we the chinese have known since 100bc? nope

you didnt say they were tai but their names resemble tai right? so they just plucked tai names out of thin air ? or they were tai ? why dont u make up your mind.

speaking of inscriptions where is the one saying we siam created angkor? nowhere but i know how u are gonna counter it by saying where does it say we khmer created angkor. but oh well u dont answer anythign i say so i wont answer yours.

[Leeporter]

Chad, I've shown you the evidence that link Siam-Lavo back to Srivijaya and back to Funan. Their rulers were related from Siam-Lavo to Ayudhaya to Bangkok.

And now, may I ask you what evidence you have that can link Kings of Chenla to the first king of Khmer in the Chronicle of Cambodia?

This is what a famous French historian George Cœdès said after years of studying about Varaman dynasty and Khmer kings after Angkor period.

He was trying to link the last Varman king and the first Khmer king mentioned in the Chronicle of Cambodia.

You can read the whole book here:
http://books.google.co.th/books?id=qgrAFlA...Bat&f=false

Page 196 in his book says:

"No link has yet been found between Jayavaramaparameshvara (Jayavaraman IX, the last Varman: Leeporter) and the first kings mentioned in the Cambodia Chronicles, which begin around the year 1350 with a name that is presumably posthumous: Nirvanapada (Nippean Bat).

Not only is there are complete break between the kings formerly mentioned in the indsciptions and the kings later listed in the chronicles, but there are no reliable dates for these later kings except those of embassies and changes of reign recorded in the Chinese history of the Ming Dynasty. Unfortunately this history refers to the Cambodians kings by their reign titles (Samdach, Chao Ponhea), never by their personal or posthumous names, so that it is difficult to identify them with the kings mentioned in either the Cambodian or the Siamese chronicles, which in any case rarely tally."



Even G. Coedes who tried his every attempt to find the link still failed to do so.

Answer me, why you Khmer people think that kings of Chenla were ancestors of Khmer kings?

[Leeporter]

i know how u are gonna counter it by saying where does it say we khmer created angkor. but oh well u dont answer anythign i say so i wont answer yours.

Chad, you don't have to answer your own question. G. Coedes already answered it.

"No link has yet been found between Jayavaramaparameshvara (Jayavaraman IX, the last Varman: Leeporter) and the first kings mentioned in the Cambodia Chronicles, which begin around the year 1350 with a name that is presumably posthumous: Nirvanapada (Nippean Bat).

Not only is there are complete break between the kings formerly mentioned in the indsciptions and the kings later listed in the chronicles, but there are no reliable dates for these later kings except those of embassies and changes of reign recorded in the Chinese history of the Ming Dynasty. Unfortunately this history refers to the Cambodians kings by their reign titles (Samdach, Chao Ponhea), never by their personal or posthumous names, so that it is difficult to identify them with the kings mentioned in either the Cambodian or the Siamese chronicles, which in any case rarely tally."

[LoveIsAllAround]

ah the favorite word of all asia finest trolls negrito.

still makes no sense like saying a black man was leading ancient greece and nobody says a thing about it. of course if that happened they made note of it people arent stupid.

You feels inferior to read 'negritos'?

So, what's the proper word to call them?

light skin people ruled dark/naked people. This is what Chinese recorded. So by your skin color logic, The Tais ruled those dark skin (must be Khmer) since you insist that Khmers were Funanese.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Yes, that was during Isaanvarman. The brothers was brokeup and the name Chenla was firstly heard during his period (actually the fighting between brothers started earlier during Prince Chittasen/Mahendravarman)

The losing prince fled to Pan Pan in Surathani to establish Srivijaya and came back to claim their throne later.



Not quite correct, there were more than one lineage, the Mon on the Isaan/Lao expanding downward and the tamil lineage from south Cambodia expanding northward.

"Mahendravarman (Citrasena) was a king of the Cambodian kingdom of Kamboja, which would later become the Khmer empire. He was the brother of, and successor to Bhavavarman I.

After Bhavavarman's death, Mahendravarman took his throne in the capital at Sambor Prei Kuk on the same time Hiranyavarman was ruling Cambodia.

After the death of Mahendravarman, his son Isanavarman had taken the control of the kingdom, where his father ruled for several years. He ruled the kingdom till AD 628."

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who was Hiranyavarman? I think he might be a future Chelan king.

Mahendravarman (Citrasen) took his throne in the capital at Sambor Prei Kuk <<< Must be Siem. LOL

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 19 2012, 10:54 PM

[chadwarden]

Chad, you don't have to answer your own question. G. Coedes already answered it.

"No link has yet been found between Jayavaramaparameshvara (Jayavaraman IX, the last Varman: Leeporter) and the first kings mentioned in the Cambodia Chronicles, which begin around the year 1350 with a name that is presumably posthumous: Nirvanapada (Nippean Bat).

Not only is there are complete break between the kings formerly mentioned in the indsciptions and the kings later listed in the chronicles, but there are no reliable dates for these later kings except those of embassies and changes of reign recorded in the Chinese history of the Ming Dynasty. Unfortunately this history refers to the Cambodians kings by their reign titles (Samdach, Chao Ponhea), never by their personal or posthumous names, so that it is difficult to identify them with the kings mentioned in either the Cambodian or the Siamese chronicles, which in any case rarely tally."

so let me get this straight this whole theory is basically since according to you the records are gone between some kings and that funan leaders had tai sounding names that you can just plug in tai into someone elses history?

you cant show anything of tai being in this area but you are obviously continuing to go by your theory strongly.

all the unexplainable histories of nations i guess we can assume they were tai and siam rulers the dark ages of france=tai siam too i guess.

to you i cant prove anything to yourself its all assumptions so it means they theory is wrong and misinformational. you and love are doing exactly what khmerboi said just playing word associations and somehow linking it and twisting it to fit what you want to be your history. right?

[chadwarden]

You feels inferior to read 'negritos'?

So, what's the proper word to call them?

light skin people ruled dark/naked people. This is what Chinese recorded. So by your skin color logic, The Tais ruled those dark skin (must be Khmer) since you insist that Khmers were Funanese.

no my logic is that the chinese recorded nothing that these light skin people were tai or can speak tai. so what are they then dumbass. my logic is that the chinese knew Tai race since 100bc but somehow cant draw a line that there are Tai further south then they ever thought before? they know the Tai race yet just ignore there is a Tai leader of funan? why didnt they then send ambassadors from the Tai in China to meet the tai leaders in funan? could have created a large Tai empire and annexed it in Chinas name. you guys are such trolls i swear.

this is logic that cannot be refuted because there is simply no answer to it.

This post has been edited by chadwarden: Feb 19 2012, 11:08 PM

[KhmerBoi]

no my logic is that the chinese recorded nothing that these light skin people were tai or can speak tai. so what are they then dumbass. my logic is that the chinese knew Tai race since 100bc but somehow cant draw a line that there are Tai further south then they ever thought before? you guys are such trolls i swear.

this is logic that cannot be refuted because there is simply no answer to it.

Don't being betray your self you always claim Funanese are Tai base on the king name..

Anyways maybe you would love to claim Orkna Kleang Meurng as a Tai too because he name is a Tai name! ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMNxi3p6I...feature=related

[LoveIsAllAround]

no my logic is that the chinese recorded nothing that these light skin people were tai or can speak tai. so what are they then dumbass. my logic is that the chinese knew Tai race since 100bc but somehow cant draw a line that there are Tai further south then they ever thought before? they know the Tai race yet just ignore there is a Tai leader of funan? why didnt they then send ambassadors from the Tai in China to meet the tai leaders in funan? could have created a large Tai empire and annexed it in Chinas name. you guys are such trolls i swear.

this is logic that cannot be refuted because there is simply no answer to it.

They knew the Tai race? I am not sure about that, but I am sure they knew all those southern tribes in southern CHina as a whole same group called Bai Yue.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Don't being betray your self you always claim Funanese are Tai base on the king name..

Anyways maybe you would love to claim Orkna Kleang Meurng as a Tai too because he name is a Tai name! ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMNxi3p6I...feature=related

Early Funan kings were Buddhist and light skin, their names look like Tai king names in the contemporary ancient Tai Singhanavati kingdom in the north. Buddhist Mons were the people who populated in those time. Early Funanese kings must be Mon or Tai, not Khmer. Khmer powerhouse/homeland always be in south vietnam today.

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 19 2012, 11:15 PM

[chadwarden]

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They knew the Tai race? I am not sure about that, but I am sure they knew all those southern tribes in southern CHina as a whole same group called Bai Yue.

Guess according to you now the chinese dont know history right?

History

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

Derived from the same ancestor - ancient "Baiyue" people, Dai minority has strong connection with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li, etc. The earliest records about Dai minority can be traced back to the 1st B.C., which then was named "Dianyue" or "Shan".

　　Dai minority has its own language which belongs to Zhuang-Dai branch of Zhuang-Dong Austronesian of Chinese-Tibetan Phylum. Dai Nationality also has its own spell character.

　　The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-23A.D.)set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."


The history of contact between the Tai and Han (Chinese) peoples dated back to 109 BC, when
Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to
signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Tai, in
subsequent years, sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, among the emissaries were musicians and
acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Tai ambassadors and their chieftain the title “Great
Captain.” According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Tai had a fairly well developed
agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an
extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal.
They plated their teeth with gold and silver. 4




Why Tai are also called Shan? One of the suppositions concerning the origin of the name
“Shan” (oSsef;) is that, it derived from the word “Siam” (Hsian, Sein), which designates to a group of
mountainous people who migrated from Yunnan in the 6th century AD. Siam means agriculture or
cultivating. Most probably because they were people of farming. Another supposition is, when Kublai
Khan and his Mongol army conquered Nan Chao Kingdom in AD 1253 a second wave of Tai migrating
down south into many areas of Southeast Asia. Some migrating Tai became mercenaries for the Khmer
armies in the early 13th century AD as it was depicted in the walls of Angkor Wat. In those days the
Khmer called Tai as Syam, the word derived from Sunskrit meaning golden or yellow. The Tai at that
time had a yellow or golden skin color. Shan can be a corrupt word of Syam, a name given to Kshatriya
(warriors) (those warriors were said to be Shan) who were on duty for the Khmer Empire. A third
supposition suggests that Shan were the people named after the “Great Mountain Ranges of China”
from where they had migrated. Shan in Chinese is “mountain” or “hill”.10

Is that enough?

[LoveIsAllAround]

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Guess according to you now the chinese dont know history right?

History

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

Derived from the same ancestor - ancient "Baiyue" people, Dai minority has strong connection with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li, etc. The earliest records about Dai minority can be traced back to the 1st B.C., which then was named "Dianyue" or "Shan".

　　Dai minority has its own language which belongs to Zhuang-Dai branch of Zhuang-Dong Austronesian of Chinese-Tibetan Phylum. Dai Nationality also has its own spell character.

　　The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-23A.D.)set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."


The history of contact between the Tai and Han (Chinese) peoples dated back to 109 BC, when
Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to
signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Tai, in
subsequent years, sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, among the emissaries were musicians and
acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Tai ambassadors and their chieftain the title “Great
Captain.” According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Tai had a fairly well developed
agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an
extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal.
They plated their teeth with gold and silver. 4




Why Tai are also called Shan? One of the suppositions concerning the origin of the name
“Shan” (oSsef;) is that, it derived from the word “Siam” (Hsian, Sein), which designates to a group of
mountainous people who migrated from Yunnan in the 6th century AD. Siam means agriculture or
cultivating. Most probably because they were people of farming. Another supposition is, when Kublai
Khan and his Mongol army conquered Nan Chao Kingdom in AD 1253 a second wave of Tai migrating
down south into many areas of Southeast Asia. Some migrating Tai became mercenaries for the Khmer
armies in the early 13th century AD as it was depicted in the walls of Angkor Wat. In those days the
Khmer called Tai as Syam, the word derived from Sunskrit meaning golden or yellow. The Tai at that
time had a yellow or golden skin color. Shan can be a corrupt word of Syam, a name given to Kshatriya
(warriors) (those warriors were said to be Shan) who were on duty for the Khmer Empire. A third
supposition suggests that Shan were the people named after the “Great Mountain Ranges of China”
from where they had migrated. Shan in Chinese is “mountain” or “hill”.10

Is that enough?

If they knew Funanese king were khmer, they why didn't record it. LOL

[LoveIsAllAround]

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Guess according to you now the chinese dont know history right?

History

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

Derived from the same ancestor - ancient "Baiyue" people, Dai minority has strong connection with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li, etc. The earliest records about Dai minority can be traced back to the 1st B.C., which then was named "Dianyue" or "Shan".

　　Dai minority has its own language which belongs to Zhuang-Dai branch of Zhuang-Dong Austronesian of Chinese-Tibetan Phylum. Dai Nationality also has its own spell character.

　　The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-23A.D.)set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."


The history of contact between the Tai and Han (Chinese) peoples dated back to 109 BC, when
Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to
signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Tai, in
subsequent years, sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, among the emissaries were musicians and
acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Tai ambassadors and their chieftain the title “Great
Captain.” According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Tai had a fairly well developed
agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an
extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal.
They plated their teeth with gold and silver. 4




Why Tai are also called Shan? One of the suppositions concerning the origin of the name
“Shan” (oSsef;) is that, it derived from the word “Siam” (Hsian, Sein), which designates to a group of
mountainous people who migrated from Yunnan in the 6th century AD. Siam means agriculture or
cultivating. Most probably because they were people of farming. Another supposition is, when Kublai
Khan and his Mongol army conquered Nan Chao Kingdom in AD 1253 a second wave of Tai migrating
down south into many areas of Southeast Asia. Some migrating Tai became mercenaries for the Khmer
armies in the early 13th century AD as it was depicted in the walls of Angkor Wat. In those days the
Khmer called Tai as Syam, the word derived from Sunskrit meaning golden or yellow. The Tai at that
time had a yellow or golden skin color. Shan can be a corrupt word of Syam, a name given to Kshatriya
(warriors) (those warriors were said to be Shan) who were on duty for the Khmer Empire. A third
supposition suggests that Shan were the people named after the “Great Mountain Ranges of China”
from where they had migrated. Shan in Chinese is “mountain” or “hill”.10

Is that enough?

and do you think those ancient Chinese in 1st Century knew who were Tai? LMAO!!!

[chadwarden]

and do you think those ancient Chinese in 1st Century knew who were Tai? LMAO!!!

um yea why wouldnt they? they knew this in BC

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

So emperor Wu Di did stuff for a made up people that dont exist?

[KhmerBoi]

Early Funan kings were Buddhist and light skin, their names look like Tai king names in the contemporary ancient Tai Singhanavati kingdom in the north. Buddhist Mons were the people who populated in those time. Early Funanese kings must be Mon or Tai, not Khmer. Khmer powerhouse/homeland always be in south vietnam today.

Is not that Funan capital is close and related to Southern Vietnam??? Mon is Theravada but Khmer is Mahayana..

It make sen for Khmer is is Hindu as well so Animism to Hindu then to Mahayana Buddhism then to Theravada and the modern Cambodian religion is Khmer Buddhism (Amimism+Bramanism+Buddhism)...

here look at Cambodia pagoda! ^^

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=295398

It make more sen then your logic!!!

This post has been edited by KhmerBoi: Feb 19 2012, 11:33 PM

[LoveIsAllAround]

um yea why wouldnt they? they knew this in BC

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

So emperor Wu Di did stuff for a made up people that dont exist?

Do you think Emperor Wu Di really knew who were Tai in those prefectures? I think the prefectures were just multi-ethinics, not just a Tai. Same concept as Bai Yue.

[LoveIsAllAround]

Is not that Funan capital is close and related to Southern Vietnam??? Mon is Theravada but Khmer is Mahayana..

It make sen for Khmer is is Hindu as well so Animism to Hindu then to Mahayana Buddhism then to Theravada and the modern Cambodian religion is Khmer Buddhism (Amimism+Bramanism+Buddhism)...

here look at Cambodia pagoda! ^^

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=295398

It make more sen then your logic!!!

Since when Khmer started to be Mahayana? Weren't you converted to be Hindu first?

[LoveIsAllAround]

Early Funan is likely to be first established on Malay penn (Chaiya-Tagua Pa area), then when they had contacted/traded more with Indians, so they were more and more Indianized. Early Funanese king must be mon (or Tai) polity living on Malay penn, around the major port 'Kattigara' mentioned by Roman. They became richer and started to expand their power to Oc'eo in the late Funan.

Funan was Southeast Asia's first great economy. It became prosperous through maritime trade and agriculture.

Funan came into prominence at a time when the trade route from India to China consisted of a maritime leg from India to the Isthmus of Kra, the narrow portion of the Malay peninsula, a portage across the isthmus, and then a coast-hugging journey by ship along the Gulf of Siam, past the Mekong Delta, and along the Vietnamese coast to China. Funanese kings of the 2nd century conquered polities on the isthmus itself, and thus may have controlled the entire trade route from Malaysia to central Vietnam.

The Funanese settlement of Oc Eo, located in An Giang Province of modern Vietnam, provided a port-of-call and entreopot for this international trade route. Archaeological evidence discovered at what may have been the commercial center of Funan at Oc Eo includes Roman as well as Persian, Indian, and Greek artifacts. The German classical scholar Albrecht Dihle believed that Funan’s main port, was the Kattigara referred to by the 2nd century Alexandrian geographer Ptolemy as the emporium where merchants from the Chinese and Roman empires met to trade. Dihle also believed that the location of Oc Eo best fit the details given by Ptolemy of a voyage made by a Graeco-Roman merchant named Alexander to Kattigara, situated at the easternmost end of the maritime trade route from the eastern Roman Empire.[26]

This post has been edited by LoveIsAllAround: Feb 19 2012, 11:57 PM