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The Myth of the Aryan Invasion, If this is true, the whole of origins of Hinduism is a myth
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post Dec 20 2011, 06:56 AM
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Have an open mind and read this:

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts...appan-myth.html
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post Dec 23 2011, 12:31 PM
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Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. .... thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true! .... But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the ... J. Shaffer, "The Indo-Aryan invasions: Cultural Myth and Archaeological Reality", ...
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post Dec 27 2011, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE (shanmarsh1 @ Dec 23 2011, 05:31 PM) *
Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. .... thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true! .... But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the ... J. Shaffer, "The Indo-Aryan invasions: Cultural Myth and Archaeological Reality", ...

The fact that Hindu scholars seemed more interested in Hinduism rather than the history or origins of Hinduism does indicate a mind that is content with the present and not with its origins. Perhaps this is because in the acceptance of Karma?

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post Dec 28 2011, 04:46 AM
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http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts...appan-myth.html

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What does this all mean? In our book, Vedic Aryans and the Origins of Civilisation, David Frawley and I have shown that the Rig Veda belongs to an earlier layer of civilization before the rise of the civilization of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley (Harappa). This calls for a fundamental change in our idea of Mesopotamia as the cradle of civilization. In the same book, on the basis of ecology and ancient literature, it is also suggested that the Rig Vedic aryans were the beneficiary of an age of abundance in north India, brought about by the melting of the ice caps at the end of the last Ice Age.

So from "aryan" invasion theory, now it becomes "aryan" the creator of all civilizations on earth theory where some of their descendants who used to live in the harappan valley had to migrate to the indian subcontinen because of the "great drought" back in 2300 bce?

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post Dec 29 2011, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE (shanmarsh1 @ Dec 23 2011, 05:31 PM) *
Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. .... thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true! .... But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the ... J. Shaffer, "The Indo-Aryan invasions: Cultural Myth and Archaeological Reality", ...

The Aryan Myth connection was easily acceptable because it elevated their self esteem by leaps and bounds.

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Dictionary Definition

Aryan adj : of or relating to the former Indo-European people; "Indo-European migrations" [syn: Indo-European, Indo-Aryan]
Noun

1 (according to Nazi doctrine) a Caucasian person of Nordic descent (and not a Jew)
2 a member of the prehistoric people who spoke Proto-Indo European [syn: Indo-European]


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QUOTE (elleX0 @ Dec 27 2011, 08:02 AM) *
The fact that Hindu scholars seemed more interested in Hinduism rather than the history or origins of Hinduism does indicate a mind that is content with the present and not with its origins. Perhaps this is because in the acceptance of Karma?


Hindus know the truth of their origins and are comfortable. it is the euros who don't know where they're from and react with extreme hysteria at any hint that they're albino Indians i.e., the Entire West Eurasian paleolithic genome was derived from India (see Stephen Oppenheimer). After the ice age, Indians repopulated Europe and the Europeans are descended from these forerunners of the latter day gypsies aka the Aryas.

As we say in India, the thief has something to hide and always gives himself away by his reaction. Euros gave themselves away a long time ago as they have tried to steal the identities of almost every culture on the planet (usually after engineering the culture's destruction). In fact, cultural identity theft is exactly what monotheism is.
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post Jan 7 2012, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Yuyutsu @ Jan 4 2012, 02:12 AM) *
Hindus know the truth of their origins and are comfortable. it is the euros who don't know where they're from and react with extreme hysteria at any hint that they're albino Indians i.e., the Entire West Eurasian paleolithic genome was derived from India (see Stephen Oppenheimer). After the ice age, Indians repopulated Europe and the Europeans are descended from these forerunners of the latter day gypsies aka the Aryas.

As we say in India, the thief has something to hide and always gives himself away by his reaction. Euros gave themselves away a long time ago as they have tried to steal the identities of almost every culture on the planet (usually after engineering the culture's destruction). In fact, cultural identity theft is exactly what monotheism is.

Can you prove what you say with independent unbiased supporting evidence?
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QUOTE (elleX0 @ Jan 7 2012, 02:15 PM) *
Can you prove what you say with independent unbiased supporting evidence?


Ancient Indian History cannot be studied in an isolation without the influence and history of "Greater India". Many of the scholars claim that Harrappa civilization belongs to "Dravidian".

The Migration / Invaded theory cannot be denied, if someone looked at the Geographic and Geological borders of India. 3 sides of India is surrounded by sea, one side is completely covered by Himalayas. The Hindu Kush passes are the only land entry point to the Greater India

We have been asked to believe/study that Europeans are the one found the sea route to India. So, till British East Indian Company coming to India, all the trade routes were made through Land. The above claim is partially true that sea Trade relations with Europeans were started from there on and before that Trade was happening through Land with Europeans

However, trade relation with SEA was happening through sea. You can find may Indo-China countries had many ancient sea trade ports. Champa kingdom (note sure whether it is Hue or another port) from Vietnam could be considered as a Hub of SEA sea trade route. Before Singapore and Hongkong becomes Hub for SEA sea trade, there were many ancient ports in the Indo-China bordering countries acting as a Hub like Rangoon, Hue etc

Take "Greater India" which includes the Indo-China bordering countries. On the right you have Afghanistan and on the left you have Vietnam and both of these places were used for Ancient Trades routes. Land trade was happening through Afghan with Europeans and Sea Trade was happening to SEA and China. There as another famous port in the south called Colombo. This suppose to be the shortest connecting port for all the continents and well located to act as a Hub. The Modern India does not have any of these above 3 trade routes (Afghan, Vietnam, Colombo) however modern India has more close relationship with these countries.

Even after WWII, USSR invaded Afghan and USA was trying to invade Vietnam, why?
The simple reason is these places are Geographically well located as a connecting Hub which will help those super power (at that point of time) to have quick access across the world

There was a mix of people who came through the Hindu Kush passes for trade / migrate / invade which cannot be denied

Vedic culture is not being followed by all Hindus in India, though everyone is called as Hindus in India

We are studying the history of "Winners" and the "Looser" histories are destroyed, so we have many questions unanswered in the current History writings.

Denying a theory on the basis of "I could not find any evidence today from the Winners story" is not acceptable. Olden days, people were just following the Religion adopted by the King rulers. If there was an invade, you can find a new Religion being followed

The Original Religion of India is same as the Ancestors deity followed by the SEA. Even today, many Indians follow Ancestors deity.

1. Sanskritinization / Vedic Hinduism is the first conversion in India towards Hinduism. Aryan Religious monks started creating the Religious rules to divide and rule Indians which is the cause for the 'caste' discrimination in India (The caste could be existed before just like a family name but discrimination was started after the spread of Hinduism in India)

2. Buddhism could not flourished in India after some period and suppressed by Hinduism and its Religious monks who needs political power. Though Buddhism has lot of cultural commonality the core doctrine differs, it does not accept the Karma doctrine from Hinduism. So it is clear that Buddhism was started to come out of the suppression created by the Sanskritinization / Vedic Hinduism with a false 'Karma doctrine'

3. Muslim Religion came to India through Muslim rulers invade

4. Christianity came to India through British rulers invade

When we accept 3rd & 4th are 'invades' since it has a 'foreign origin', there is nothing wrong in accepting 1st also 'invade' but people will debate to the core to avoid their foreign origin/identity however In general, everyone is accepting the 'Aryan Migration' theory.

A minority controls a majority has to be considered as "Invade" and cannot be called as "Migration", So I leave it to individuals to decide "Aryan Migrated" or "Aryan Invaded" to India!. Nowadays, these debates are not done for any historical reasons but for some Political reasons since Indian political parties are linked to some Religious groups / caste groups etc.

This theory is debated bcoz of the word "invade" which gives a "foreign" identity to the Aryans. Though, it is a fact, they do not want them to be identified as "invaders" of India, rather to be called as migrated to India. But they want to call Muslims as "invaders" which is funny!. Any way, either migrated or invaded, all are Indians

Sanskritization (Aryan migration/invade) - Spread of Hinduism and Cast-ism (I mean discrimination only here), Muslims invade, British invade, Indian invade/migration to South East Asia etc made too many mixture in India and everyone in India can be identified as minorities in one way or other. There is no unique identity for Indian, we are mixture all the races in the World

Unity among diversity is the real strength of India!
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