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The Future of China?, Where India left in dust?
richasiankid
post Dec 20 2011, 09:47 PM
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Some rhapsodise just how great India will thrive on multi-religious democracy (unlike Israel or mid east). Others fancy India becoming like HK or S'pore securing itself via English facility against evil Sinic hegemony.

But in the end it's a lesson where everything's sweet & swell India where it doesn't measure up, where it still can't even secure the basics and where human capital matters:

http://www.zshare.net/download/97642747c4df52c8/ (light end of tunnel; patience patience!)

PISA 2009 report for (against?) India?

Cities of India are still at the very very bottom, while cities like Shanghai are wowwing off the charts.

Yet another data point we're different.....


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post Dec 20 2011, 10:45 PM
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zshare.com is bad site, I fail to download from it multiple times.

Can you upload it to the more friendly site like mediafire.com?

Thank you.
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post Dec 21 2011, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (Hugham @ Dec 20 2011, 10:45 PM) *
zshare.com is bad site, I fail to download from it multiple times.

Can you upload it to the more friendly site like mediafire.com?

Thank you.


No worries. Here's the same file from mediafire.

And here're the relevant data in case you still can't access it:

(1) Reading



(2) Science



(3) Math



Note more the distribution than the average.

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PS- I always give credit when it's due and I give Steve Sailer credit from America who pointed out the obvious here.

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The news that two states in India took the PISA test of 15-year-olds' school achievement in 2009 and bombed raises the question once again of China. As everybody remembers from a year ago, 2009 scores from Shanghai were released and they were higher than any country in the world. But what about the rest of China? Obviously, Shanghai is a dazzling place, but a lot of China is still stuck knee-deep in rice paddies. What about them?

I stumbled upon this year-old blog post by Anatoly Karlin of Sublime Oblivion, which relays a big hint:

As regular blog readers know, I think that educational capital and more broadly average IQ levels are one of the key – and frequently under-appreciated due to political correctness – determinants of economic development and whether or not convergence to developed country levels is even possible. Its much higher educational capital is one of the key reasons why I think China will continue doing much better than India in development, regardless of its “democratic deficit.” However, many people argue that China’s human capital must actually be quite low, because it doesn’t spend much on education, resources are bare in the provinces, statistical fudging under unaccountable governors, etc.
The recent results from the international standardized PISA tests in math, reading and science will make this an increasingly untenable position. Shanghai got by far the best results out of all the OECD countries (never mind the developing ones). . Now while you might (rightly) argue Shanghai draws much of the elite of the Yangtze river delta, the Financial Times has more: “Citing further, as-yet unpublished OECD research, Mr Schleicher said: “We have actually done Pisa in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average.””


Since countries like the US and France get scores “close to the OECD average”, this means that the workforces soon to be entering China’s economy, even from its poorest regions, will be no less skilled than those of leading Western economies (note too that the numbers of Chinese university graduates are soaring). And with China’s massive population, four times bigger than America’s, its road to superpowerdom must be all but guaranteed.

Okay, there are a few leaps of faith there, but that's still news worth knowing. At minimum, it reduces the chances that the Shanghai numbers were a con job. At median, it suggests that we check twice before reflexively equating China and India. At maximum, it suggests, as Karlin says, that "resource constraints" are going to be perhaps the big issue of the 21st Century. It's a little hard to be certain what "Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average" means, but it sounds pretty good.

The logic of using international test scores to predict future wealth is not that the causation runs only in one direction, from high test scores to wealth. Obviously, it runs in both directions. (For example, affluent Chinese have traditionally hired tutors to raise their children's test results.) But, if there are a whole bunch of poor farm kids in inland China who are scoring like kids in Europe and North America right now, well, that's worth knowing.


My only comment is perhaps, just perhaps, environment doesn't mean everything. Why, afterall, is Japan and indeed Taiwan or HOng Kong don't score as high as poorer Shanghai?

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post Dec 21 2011, 08:00 PM
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Quite surprising or not quite surprising at all about India?

I wonder what is actually going on in India?

They have a very glorious past, I wonder what is so difficult for them to organize good national wide education?

Is India problem in the corruption or in the inability of the Indian people itself?

If corruption is the problem, how can they have almost the same rank with China in corruption index level? (and in some report better than China?)


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the Financial Times has more: “Citing further, as-yet unpublished OECD research, Mr Schleicher said: “We have actually done Pisa in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average.””


I wonder when will OECD publish China 12 provinces result?

Does someone has the data here?

I can't wait to see the data!!!
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