reject japan's bid! Options

[keykool]

the undersigned, strongly urge you to speak out and vote against any motion or procedure to grant Japan the status as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council . As the aggressor in World War II, Japan committed numerous atrocities in its neighboring countries, and destroyed and looted an astronomical amount of properties. Recent discoveries have revealed its systematic slaughtering of prisoners of war and tens of millions of innocent civilians, from newborn to elderly, during those years. Its government and parliament have never formally acknowledged its wrongdoing, offered official apologies to those who suffered immensely, or provided adequate reparation to compensate its victims, including the hundreds of thousands women forced into sexual slavery, nearly a million died in its biochemical experimentations and battlefield deployments in violation of the Geneva Convention, or the Allied prisoners of war butchered, brutalized and enslaved. Japan thus far shows no remorse of its past misdeeds, refuses to repent, and appears to be untrustworthy. The international community can not and must not designate such state to seat on the Security Council which is chartered to safeguard and maintain regional and world peace and justice.

http://alpha-la.org/petition.asp

[jareth_chong]

1. China will veto Japan. Period. Is there even a doubt about that?

Official position from Beijing: China opposes Japan's bid for UN Security Council permanent member

6.1 million people had signed the Sina Corp. petition opposing Japan's bid for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council...

More than ten million online oppose Japan's UN campaign

16 mil, mainly in China, sign online to oppose Japan's Security Council bid

By the way, this petition is on track to become the largest, ever, in human history.

2. If there is a country that deserves a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, it is India, not Japan. India has the world's oldest civilization and largest democracy. It is also a rising industrial power. Plus, the South Asia region currently does not have a permanent representative on the UN Security Council. India should be that representative.

Japan should not be in the Security Council permanent seats before India. In fact, Japan should not get a permenent seats before India and a South American country. (In time, Africa should also get a permenent UN Security Council seat to represent that region, if and when a single African nation can get its acts together. I do not see that happening in the foreseeable future.)

3. Unfortunately, Japan has acted as an America's lapdog on most any global issue. If Japan is given a permanent veto power on the UN Security Council with veto power, it will be voting for the interests of the U.S. When was the last time Japan voted against the U.S. in anything? Japan will not represent Asian interests on the Security Council. It will merely serve as an an extension of Amerian interest in Asia.

Bush has not been able to get his way with the UN, so he wants to use Japan to expand America's power in the UN Security Council. That is why the U.S. is so anxious to appoint Japan into the UN Security Council. So, Russia and France (two other permanent members that, along with China, regulate and counter U.S. on the UN Security Council) should also veto Japan on the ground that Japan's bid is just America's attempt to expand America's power in UN.

4. Finally, apology or not, Japan will have to satisfactory resolve its World War II war crime issues with other Asian nations before Japan is given a permanent seat in the UN Security Council. The issues cannot be left in limbo before Japan is rewarded with a seat on the Council.

This post has been edited by jareth_chong: Apr 1 2005, 01:59 AM

[Jasel]

christ what country hasn't commited atrocities....I support them myself. China's opinion doesnt matter much to me. if anything.

This post has been edited by Jasel: Apr 1 2005, 01:54 AM

[item1702]

christ what country hasn't commited atrocities....

So true.

[jareth_chong]

christ what country hasn't commited atrocities....I support them myself. China's opinion doesnt matter much to me. if anything.

I'm sure it does not. However, America's opinion doesn't matter much to China and most Chinese either, if anything.

Sure, all countries commit atrocities. The point here is not whether every other country has committed its shares of atrocities. The key issue here is Japan has refused to even admit anything wrong has happened in WWII. German and Vatican have admitted their wrongdoings against Jews in WWII. America has admitted its past wrongdoings on slavery. However, Japan refuses to apologize or even admit any wrongdoing. Japan flat out denies its atrocities in WWII. Japan even refuses to teach the truth about WWII in their history classes and books. That is deeply troubling. As long as Japan refuses to admit wrongdoings and apology, there will be no "moving on". An apology from the is the first step for other countries to "move on".

A country that does not recognize its past mistakes does not learn from the mistakes. Therefore, it is bound to make the same mistakes again. On that basis alone, Japan should not be admitted into the UN Security Council on a permanent basis. I just hope when the time comes for UN to vote for Japan's permanent entry into the Security Council, China will follow through and veto the bid.

Are you Japanese? Other than Japanese, just about all other Asians, who have been on the receiving end of Japan's brutality, should take issue with Japan's refusal to admit wrongdoing in WWII.

(Frankly, I'm more pissed when people--especially American, White, Latin or Black people who do not know much about Asian history--now think of Japan as a "peaceful" country or the "most peaceful" people in the world. Gimme a break. This must be the biggest injustice. This is the kind of crap that happens when we allow the perpetrator to get away scot free. And now we're supposed to reward that kind of action with a permanent seat in the UN Security Council.)

This post has been edited by jareth_chong: Apr 1 2005, 02:31 AM

[jareth_chong]

By the way, out of respect for the people in here, I do not think this thread belong in the Japanese chat. This discussion belongs in either the Chinese or Korean chat, or both.

[freefallz]

^No he's not japanese LOL

[item1702]

I don’t think the government will apologize. It is just not going to happen, at least not any time soon.

Edit: (IMG:http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/icon_confused.gif) I have to take back what I said. Here's a list of War apology statements issued by Japan

This post has been edited by item1702: Apr 2 2005, 07:32 PM

[jareth_chong]

I don’t think the government will apologize. It is just not going to happen, at least not any time soon.

I know. That's why I think Japan must not be allowed into the UN Security Council permanently either. Not until Japan and other Asian nations reach a resolution on WWII, which was the reason UN was founded in the first place.

This post has been edited by jareth_chong: Apr 1 2005, 02:32 AM

[freefallz]

To put it bluntly, western politics wouldn't give a thought to whatever atrocities were committed in Asia 50 years ago, very clearly due to racism.

[item1702]

To put it bluntly, western politics wouldn't give a thought to whatever atrocities were committed in Asia 50 years ago, very clearly due to racism.

Or maybe it’s simply due to being unsympathetic or not being beneficial to their cause.

[freefallz]

^indeed, their points of view are isolated from any emphasis or signifance in asian history. (of course I'm generalising here)

[khu91x]

christ what country hasn't commited atrocities....I support them myself. China's opinion doesnt matter much to me. if anything.

Jareth has a very good point , and I can tell you right now that the people of China doesn't hate Japan for no reason. Basically Japan is still insulting and humiliating China still till this day by not admiting , and misteaching for the unhumane brutal massacres and mass rapes . And it isn't just China that knows these things , Koreans , Filipinos as well shared a great deal of unnecessary suffering. I read in an article that a Nazi even was shocked by what the japanese did in Nanking , so that gives you a idea of how bad things were.

[warder]

All the permanent members of the UN Security Council are the victors of WW2. Not even Germany is a permanent member of the Security Council. If Japan did get a permanent seat on the Council Germany will be the next to ask for it. The only reason Germany isn’t a permanent member of the council is that they committed many atrocities during WW2 and they are ashamed even now to ask for a permanent seat on the council. I guess Japan have no scruples. Japan feels perfectly at peace with what they did during WW2. The act of asking a seat on the council proves that they will never apologize. For all the country in Asia that has suffered at the hands of Japan, they should just stop dreaming and face the facts that eventually the world will forget what Japan did during WW2. The bigger the lie the easier it is for people to believe.

[lamyun]

does china and korea have a permanent membership yet?

[warder]

does china and korea have a permanent membership yet?

China has a permanent seat

[jareth_chong]

China has a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, but not Korea. It is very unlikely that Korea will ever gain a permanent seat. Personally, I think the idea of giving UNSC permanent status to any nation is most ridiculous.

However, if UN has to install permanent members for its Security Council, UN should give one seat each to East Asia (China), South Asia (India), Europe (EU, rotating permanent membership), North America (USA), South America, Africa, Middle East (excluding Israel). Russia, which is neither completely Europe nor Asia, should get one seat as well. South America, Africa and Middle East should ultimately get one seat each, but not right now because they have not gotten their act together. As an incentive to encourage South America, Africa and Middle East to develop economic and political stability, UN should award the permanent memberships to the first nation from each region to reach prosperity and stability. The Security Council should be a fair and balanced representation of global interests.

Japan should definitely not get a permenent seat because it has too much unresolved issues and bitterness with other neighboring nations. I also think Japan has a very good likelihood of slipping back to its former imperialistic and expansionistic attitude again. As I have just noted in the Korean Chat:

A country that does not recognize its past mistakes does not learn from the mistakes.  Therefore, it is bound to make the same mistakes again.

(Japan) seeks other ways to become a global player, including an unprecedented military deployment in Iraq... despite a series of requests from neighboring countries to correct distorted portions of its history textbook, Japan is expected approve a new version of the schoolbooks next Tuesday... the book referred Korea's Dokdo Island as historically and legally part of Japan's territory.

No surprise there. Japan denies the past, so it has not learned from its past mistakes. Japan has already started flexing muscles and staking claims on other people's lands, just as it had prior to WWII. This is a precursor for Japan to ultimately use its military to "reclaim" the island, which Japan claims is legitimately Japan's. If Japan gains a permanent seat on UN Security Council, it will be able to veto any international action against Japan's future aggression when Japan is ready to "take back" what it claims is rightfully and legally Japan's.

Very dangerous indeed.

This post has been edited by jareth_chong: Apr 1 2005, 10:05 PM

[khu91x]

It really wouldn't suprise me that japan has a militaristic imperial agenda, and are working towards it.

A few things that could be taken into account : Japan's presence in Iraq , Koizumi's insistence on visiting Yasukuni Shrine,claims of Chinese territory ,and request for UN security seat.

This post has been edited by khu91x: Apr 1 2005, 10:44 PM

[jareth_chong]

Japan is becoming ever more aggressive in snatching territories from China, Korea and other East Asian nations. Japan have repeatedly and unilaterally send troops or agents to and built illegal outposts on some disputed islands--even as negotiations had been going on between China/Korea and Japan to work out peaceful solutions. China and Korea held off unilateral actions to honor the negotiations. Japan did not.

Japan has shown that it does not really negotiate. Negotiation is just a pretense. Japan takes what it wants, through force. Here are some samples of Japan's increasing aggressiveness:

Japan's action on island lighthouse "illegal'

Korea-Japan dispute strains longstanding alliances

S Korea protest over Japan claim

Kurile Island conflict - Dispute Between Russia and Japan over Sovereignty of Islands

Japan, Russia 'completely opposite' on isle dispute

Why the hell is Japan having so many high-profile territory disputes with so many of its neighbors? As far as I know, Chinese, Koreans and Russians are not threatening and cursing at each other over claims on territories.

Here is a historical tidbit: a few decades before WWII, Japan started having territorial disputes with exactly the same group of nations--Russia, Korea, China, and South East Asia. In the end, Japan resorted to using violence and war to bring an end to the disputes. And now, history seems to be repeating itself. Scary, huh?

This post has been edited by jareth_chong: Apr 2 2005, 12:15 AM

[lamyun]

funny how there are no Japanese replying trying to defend their country's honor. LOL