Pope on Gay Marriages Options

[tangawizi]

Pope Benedict XVI: Gay Marriage A Threat To 'Future Of Humanity'


VATICAN CITY, Jan 9 (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined "the future of humanity itself".

The pope made some of his strongest comments against gay marriage in a new year address to the diplomatic corps accredited to the Vatican in which he touched on some economic and social issues facing the world today.

He told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of children needed proper "settings" and that "pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman."

"This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself," he said.

The Vatican and Catholic officials around the world have protested against moves to legalise gay marriage in Europe and other developed parts of the world.

One leading opponent of gay marriage in the United States is New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, whom the pope will elevate to cardinal next month.

Dolan fought against gay marriage before it became legal in New York state last June, and in September he sent a letter to President Barack Obama criticising his administration's decision not to support a federal ban on gay marriage.

In that letter Dolan, who holds the powerful post of president of the U.S. Bishops Conference, said such a policy could "precipitate a national conflict between church and state of enormous proportions."

The Roman Catholic Church, which has some 1.3 billion members worldwide, teaches that while homosexual tendencies are not sinful, homosexual acts are, and that children should grow up in a traditional family with a mother and a father.

"The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue," Benedict told the diplomats.

Gay marriage is legal in a number of European countries, including Spain and the Netherlands.

Some Churches that have allowed gay marriage, women priests, gay clergy and gay bishops have been losing members to Catholicism, and the Vatican has taken steps to facilitate their conversion.

In 2009, Benedict decreed that Anglicans who leave their Church, many because they feel it has become too liberal, can find a home in Catholicism in a parallel hierarchy that allows them to keep some of their traditions.

The Vatican has since set up "ordinariates," structures similar to dioceses, in Britain and the United States to oversee ex-Anglicans who have converted and be a point of contact for those wishing to do so. (Reporting By Philip Pullella; editing by Tim Pearce)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/p..._n_1194515.html


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My question: why do we listen to a (presumably) celibate c@ck in a frock on something he clearly doesn't know much about?

[avisitor]

If the population of the earth was a few hundred people then maybe gay marriages could be a threat to the fundamental cell of society
But, with around close to 8 billion people on the earth today, I think that the best thing is to have such diversity

Still, I don't like having someone like that putting out opinions which hurt others.
eh, I guess I don't like to be judged by others cause I judge my life enough ...

[DEL]

The pope should stfu about proper ''settings'' for children and stop covering the asses of pedophile priests.

Gay marriages not allowed? become gay priests then.


Most Christians i know are very friendly, but they all agree that the vatican should F off. They even said it that way.

[tangawizi]

What is disturbing is also how the Pope sees this as a sort of chance to proselytise and increase his catholic flock at the expense of the prostestant church.

It's a pathetic existence.

[Sisi]

Marriage is suppose to be for Holy Matramony.
Now the only problem I see with gay couples wanting to marry is if one is sick and the other wants legal rights as a husband to be there for his gay half partner, but its the legal system,,, I personally think any close friend, should have rights to be there for eachother if something happened to them , so it should have nothing to do with marriage, so I dont believe gays should be allowed to marry.Its disrespect to the christian faith.

Also if gays want love and romance, then they can still have that , its their choice, but they shouldnt be messing with christianity foundation of Holy Matramony of marriage!


P.s. And Jesus loves Gays too, only excepting his love can help them and being in his presence on a regular basis.
Im talking about a spiritual love that we all need, not a physical love "carnal".

This post has been edited by Sisi: Jan 16 2012, 04:04 AM

[chutzpah]

Marriage is suppose to be for Holy Matramony.
Now the only problem I see with gay couples wanting to marry is if one is sick and the other wants legal rights as a husband to be there for his gay half partner, but its the legal system,,, I personally think any close friend, should have rights to be there for eachother if something happened to them , so it should have nothing to do with marriage, so I dont believe gays should be allowed to marry.Its disrespect to the christian faith.

Also if gays want love and romance, then they can still have that , its their choice, but they shouldnt be messing with christianity foundation of Holy Matramony of marriage!


P.s. And Jesus loves Gays too, only excepting his love can help them and being in his presence on a regular basis.
Im talking about a spiritual love that we all need, not a physical love "carnal".

Sisi. I couldn't agree more, the concept of Holy Matrimony is a Christian concept. It is a union between a man and a woman. As gay 'marriage' can not possibly be in that category, it will never be accepted by the Church.

For Tangawizi to attack Pope Benedict XVI is not only unreasonable, but it is also dishonest, and outright pathetic! She shows her true ignorance when it comes to Christianity. And to accuse the Pope of proselytizing at the expense of the Protestants without even a thread of evidence is just plain nasty. Apart from a section of Anglicanism, which Protestant sect supports gay marriage? But then Tangawizi is well known for being a big fat liar, a twat in a frock!.

[tangawizi]

^ Drill sergeants are never appealing; in fact – they are always abhorrent.

Marriage is suppose to be for Holy Matramony.
Now the only problem I see with gay couples wanting to marry is if one is sick and the other wants legal rights as a husband to be there for his gay half partner, but its the legal system,,, I personally think any close friend, should have rights to be there for eachother if something happened to them , so it should have nothing to do with marriage, so I dont believe gays should be allowed to marry.Its disrespect to the christian faith.

Also if gays want love and romance, then they can still have that , its their choice, but they shouldnt be messing with christianity foundation of Holy Matramony of marriage!


P.s. And Jesus loves Gays too, only excepting his love can help them and being in his presence on a regular basis.
Im talking about a spiritual love that we all need, not a physical love "carnal".

Thanks for your opinion Sisi.

Are u are saying that gay folks are only capable of 'carnal' physical love and are incapable of spiritual love? and therefore not entitled to partake in matrimonial love?

[chutzpah]

^ Drill sergeants are never appealing; in fact – they are always abhorrent.




Thanks for your opinion Sisi.

Are u are saying that gay folks are only capable of 'carnal' physical love and are incapable of spiritual love? and therefore not entitled to partake in matrimonial love?

Sisi, don't allow this nasty liar twat in a frock derails what you said. She is trying to twist your word to her advantage. You did not say gays are incapable of spiritual love. The 'spiritual love' you referred to is the love of Jesus to all including the gays. That much is obvious to anyone reading your ps.

Perhaps you should ask the liar to substantiate her charges about the Pope proselytizing Protestants to increase his flock. Because as usual Tanga will just lie her way through without supplying one iota of evidence.

[tangawizi]

Of course the catholics are newbies at the business of proselytising when compared to the protestant evangelicals, but they are learning to do it. The pope openly supports the move as you can read from the article :

In 2009, Benedict decreed that Anglicans who leave their Church, many because they feel it has become too liberal, can find a home in Catholicism in a parallel hierarchy that allows them to keep some of their traditions.

The Vatican has since set up "ordinariates," structures similar to dioceses, in Britain and the United States to oversee ex-Anglicans who have converted and be a point of contact for those wishing to do so.

For articles on this :

Vatican Bidding to Get Anglicans to Join Its Fold

Pope names ex-Episcopal bishop leader of US Anglicans who want to become Catholic

For decades now, in america, many catholic migrants from latin america have been aggressively targeted by evangelicals to convert... and this has been worrying for the Vatican where latin america has been their traditional playground for garnering their flock.

Protestants, Sects Woo Latino Immigrants : Catholicism: Many report proselytizing efforts

Why do u feel offended to find out that your Catholic church is actively proselytising to shore up their membership? Others do it, just join in the party... and get rich lah stupid

This post has been edited by tangawizi: Jan 19 2012, 02:39 AM

[chutzpah]

Tangawizi's reply above just confirms again what I often said about her. That she is a liar, a propagator of half truth and a complete ignoramus about Christianity. Being naive is almost excusable but being purposely ignorant and ill informed is a crime!

Anglicanism is English Catholicism, it is the other side of the same coin. But this is another topic best discussed under a new thread.

The unbiblical ordination of women and gay as priest caused such distress and disillusion within the rank and file of the Anglican clergy and laity that they left in droves. Their natural choice is the Catholic Church. The Pope merely helping to make it less stressful for these poor disillusions to return to Rome sweet Home. There was no evidence of any proselytizing nor is it necessary. They enter in communion with Rome willingly. They return to Mother Church willingly.

Anglican priests have been returning to the fullness of the truth that is the Catholic Church even before this, though not in any significant number. It isn't as though it just happens overnight. But Tangawizi the liar and propagator of half truth will insist that this is an example the Pope's proselytizing Protestants to increase his flock. Quite a nasty and unnecessary attack on the Pope. Is it bad for the Pope to help those in need? Well Tangawizi obviously thinks so and she has twisted and makes it ugly. The same way she twists and mangles Sisi's word, so shameless!

Is this the result from her new age mambo jumbo contemplative way? As she keeps grand standing about the virtue of her absolute faith in this new age mambo jumbo nonsense, surely it must be!

[tangawizi]

Is it bad for the Pope to help those in need? Well Tangawizi obviously thinks so and she has twisted and makes it ugly.

Oh dear, the Pope is just helping those in need....???? In need of what????

In need of being mysogyny and homophobia? In need of belonging to a Church that does not want women nor gay clergy to be in their pulpits?

If what they have in England is just English Catholicism, what is it that they have in the US? American Catholicism? Both the leading anglo-saxon worlds have come to accept modernization and raise the standards of the practice of their faith. It's the African Anglicans who reject this and this medieval stance continues to be supported by the latin Church.

We see you ranting non-stop with an accusatory tone at the Islamic medievalism, and yet, you adopt an almost whiny plead when it comes to your Church's own medieval stance on women and gays.

Don't be pathetic Chutzpah, just come down from your high horse and your consistent aim to whip up anti-islam sentiments amongst non-muslim readers.

Your Church has flaws too, and if you are big enough to own up to it, we'll all be better for it.

Btw, aside from this gay marriage issue, did you google and find any explanation for the baby scandal in Spain perpetuated for over 50 years by the Catholic church there?

The same way she twists and mangles Sisi's word, so shameless!

IF Sisi felt that way she could tell us so... if only you felt that way, it's a reflection of your own twisted and mangled mind and how it seeks to twist and mangle the world into a "Us versus Muslim" world.

Is this the result from her new age mambo jumbo contemplative way? As she keeps grand standing about the virtue of her absolute faith in this new age mambo jumbo nonsense, surely it must be!

There is no absolute faith in my contemplative practice. I question everything each step of the way like the way I question your intention for Islamic Awakening. Whether it is from an intention of peace or destruction.

You may wanna question yourself and examine your every word and action on this board and around your muslim neighbours, colleagues, friends and classmates the next time you hang out with them.

[chutzpah]

Videos on Islam: Violence against women

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Videos_on_Islam:...e_against_women

Show me the Christian equivalence to such sexism against women if you can!

The Catholic Church is perfect but some of her members are far from perfect resulting in serious scandals tarnishing her image. The Spanish baby scandal and the clergy sexual abuse are such examples. It can not be denied that these are serious crimes and redressing the wrongs are either done or underway. Still it is also can not be denied the good works done by the majority of the Church members. What faith has done more for the poor and the destitute than the Catholic Church?

Compare to the daily butchering and intolerance committed by Muslims against non Muslims. Forget about redressing it will never happen. There are ample examples occurring daily, whether you like it or not.

These trolls can scream and yell as much as they like, they can twist others' words or even the facts, but their efforts are futile. Because the best examples are set by the violent and intolerant Islamists daily, I didn't make them up.

There is nothing worst than a self loathing Chinese broad full of self righteous indignation. Her many lies and half truth are there for all to read. Need I say more?

This post has been edited by chutzpah: Jan 20 2012, 03:32 AM

[elleX0]

Videos on Islam: Violence against women

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Videos_on_Islam:...e_against_women

Show me the Christian equivalence to such sexism against women if you can!

The Catholic Church is perfect but some of her members are far from perfect resulting in serious scandals tarnishing her image. The Spanish baby scandal and the clergy sexual abuse are such examples. It can not be denied that these are serious crimes and redressing the wrongs are either done or underway. Still it is also can not be denied the good works done by the majority of the Church members. What faith has done more for the poor and the destitute than the Catholic Church?

Compare to the daily butchering and intolerance committed by Muslims against non Muslims. Forget about redressing it will never happen. There are ample examples occurring daily, whether you like it or not.

These trolls can scream and yell as much as they like, they can twist others' words or even the facts, but their efforts are futile. Because the best examples are set by the violent and intolerant Islamists daily, I didn't make them up.

There is nothing worst than a self loathing Chinese broad full of self righteous indignation. Her many lies and half truth are there for all to read. Need I say more?

She needs HRT and her temperament "MIGHT" improve. Try patches!

[chutzpah]

She needs HRT and her temperament "MIGHT" improve. Try patches!

Or it might just be genetic but here is the link she can go to http://www.menopausecentre.com.au/?gclid=C...CFUkb6wodzza14A

[tangawizi]

Run out of articles to post from Jihadwatch?

Try posting some chapters from the Obedient Wives Club manual perhaps???

Just kidding.

So back to topic, can a new Pope allow gays to marry someday in the future? I believe it can.

This post has been edited by tangawizi: Jan 23 2012, 04:47 AM

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