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post Jan 15 2012, 09:41 AM
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Finding good, accurate, & dependable books on Filipino culture is difficult to come by because unlike English books where you can find a wealth of reviews & information on the internet, Filipino books are rare & usually unseen, even within Philippine society. So let's all help make each others lives easier by listing the books we all would recommend & why, & where to find them if possible.

So here is a a thread in which everyone can share Filipino books they would like to recommend, as well as post some summary & reviews to help all of us sift through & spread knowledge on Filipino culture. For the New Year, I have made a resolution: to spread Filipino knowledge via gift giving, & these gifts would all represent Filipino culture in 1 way or another, with each gift suitable for the individual recipient.

Also, don't forget to state if it's in English or Filipino, & for literature like Rizal, state which version is the best.


The very 1st book I would like to recommend is William Henry Scott's BARANGAY

LANGUAGE: ENGLISH

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This book presents a sixteenth-century Philippine ethnography based on contemporaneous sources. It does not attempt to reconstruct that society by consideration of present Philippine societies, or of features believed to be common to all Austronesian peoples. Nor does it seek similarities with neighboring cultures in Southeast Asia, though the raw data presented should be of use to scholars who might wish to do so. Rather, it seeks to answer the question: What did the Spaniards actually say about the Filipino people when they first met them? It is hoped that the answer to that question will permit Filipino readers today to pay a vicarious visit to the land of their ancestors four centuries ago.

Part 1 describes Visayan culture in eight chapters on physical appearance, food and farming, trades and commerce, religion, literature and entertainment, natural science, social organization, and warfare. Part 2 surveys the rest of the archipelago from south to north.


This book is essential as it's well researched, & easy to digest, in other words, it's for mass-consumption. It's primary focus are the Bisayans, followed by both the Tagalogs & the Mindanaoans.

Here is 1 review of Scott's book:

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No review of mine would do justice to this groundbreaking book.

The author, Dr. William Henry Scott, taught my Asian Civilizations class decades ago. In his lifetime as a former Episcopalian missionary turned historian whose immersion in all things Filipino put the native-born to shame, he systematically chipped away at the misguided, knee-jerk notions and outright lies about Philippine history with an unprecedented scholarly approach that was informed by archaeology, linguistics and other disciplines.

I remember how roundly Prof. Scott criticized Zaide for the fake Code of Kalantiao the latter felt he needed to invent. The truth is much more fascinating, as the book shows, based as it is on a lifetime of painstaking research and work.

For a learned book, Barangay is an easy, entertaining read (for me, anyway) and should be required reading for all people of Filipino descent. It both informs and (even if Scott didn't set out to do so) empowers the Filipino, especially those among us who are tired of being beaten down by the prejudice and racism of the ignorant.

For someone who originally came to the Philippines ostensibly to convert people to his beliefs, Scott ended up offering a labor of love to his adopted people that celebrated who they truly are.


I cannot stress how vital this book is, every Filipino household should have this, for both parents & children alike. It is time for us to be aware of our roots & time for all of us to be a little more pro-active in spreading knowledge & genuine love for Filipino history & culture. How can you say that you love being Filipino when you have no drive or incentive to know more about yourself, your culture, your ancestors, & your neighbors?

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Whether you believe in the Sundaland theory, or enjoy reading Atlantis theory type books, or just curious on what this may be about, I think this book may be quite interesting based on the reviews. It is a book by Stephen Oppenheimer titled Eden in the East: The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia

I haven't read or bought this myself, just came upon it via Asia Finest tbh. I grew up in a family reading Zecharia Sitchin books so I'm fairly open to reading these types of books. I have no bias nor preconceived notion on such books, I just enjoy reading theories that may not be standard. Of course, it may be unfair to compare books such as Sitchin with this, but any book that proposes what this book proposes, is sure to spark an interest in Austronesian culture.

LANGUAGE: ENGLISH

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This book completely changes the established and conventional view of prehistory by relocating the Lost Eden—the world's first civilisation—to Southeast Asia. At the end of the Ice Age, Southeast Asia formed a continent twice the size of India, which included Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Borneo. In Eden in the East, Stephen Oppenheimer puts forward the astonishing argument that here in southeast Asia—rather than in Mesopotamia where it is usually placed—was the lost civilization that fertilized the Great cultures of the Middle East 6,000 years ago. He produces evidence from ethnography, archaeology, oceanography, creation stories, myths, linguistics, and DNA analysis to argue that this founding civilization was destroyed by a catastrophic flood, caused by a rapid rise in the sea level at the end of the last ice age.



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In an exhaustively researched and creatively argued reassessment of mankind's origins, British physician Oppenheimer, an expert in tropical pediatrics, contends that the now-submerged area of Southeast Asia was the cradle of ancient civilization. From time to time, scholars from various disciplines have argued for the existence of a vastly old ``founder civilization.'' Among the most famous was Charles Hapgood, who based his theory of a lost seafaring civilization on his analysis of the famous 16th-century ``Piri Re'is'' maps of the Antarctic land mass. In this tradition, Oppenheimer blends evidence from geology, genetics, linguistics, archaeology, and anthropology to argue persuasively that such a civilization existed on a submerged land mass in Southeast Asia, which geologists call the Sunda shelf. Pointing to geological evidence for the submersion of the shelf by abrupt rises in the sea level about 8,000 years ago, Oppenheimer contends that the coastal cultures of Southeast Asia were drowned by a great flood, reflected in flood mythologies scattered from the ancient Middle East (such as the biblical story of Noah) to Australia and the Americas. According to the author, tantalizing archaeological evidence exists of settlements under a ``silt curtain'' left by the sea floods in drowned coastal regions from Southeast Asia to the Middle East, while linguistic markers indicate that languages spread from Southeast Asia to Australia and the Pacific. The shared flood story is one striking example of similar Eurasian myths according to the author; the ancient Middle East and Asia share other myth typologies, conspicuously including creation and Cain and Abel myths, which point to common origins in a progenitor culture. Absorbing, meticulously researched, limpidly written, and authoritative: should be regarded as a groundbreaking study of the remote past of Southeast Asia, and of civilization itself. -- Copyright ©1999, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


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The central theme of "Eden in the East" is derived from the fact that island southeast Asia, or more correctly the now mostly submerged Sunda shelf, was actually an extensive subcontinent, comparable in size to India, during the last Ice Age. Oppenheimer summarizes one current understanding of how the Ice Age ended--that is, not slowly, but in three quite dramatic and rapid melts that resulted in severe flooding and perhaps even substantial seismic activity and tsunamis. Thus, the Sunda subcontinent was subjected to a series of horrendous cataclysms, the last one occurring circa 8000-7000 B.C. After this introduction to the climatic facts of the case, the first half of the book is devoted to an examination of genetic and linguistic evidence, or rather to Oppenheimer's own re-examination of this evidence, with the conclusion that Ice Age Sundaland harbored a thriving neolithic culture that dispersed throughout the Pacific and into most of Eurasia subsequent to its flooding, and thus that much of Western civilization can be expected to be derived, or at least influenced, by this antediluvian culture. The second half of the book is entirely concerned with a comparative analysis of several myths that exist in recognizable forms throughout most of the world, including Noah's flood, creation myths, Cain and Abel, and the dying god who is resurrected. Again, Oppenheimer argues that the evidence indicates an origin for each of these basic myths in neolithic southeast Asia.

I am not really qualified to argue with Oppenheimer's analyses; then again, the author is himself a pediatrician with no apparent formal training in linguistics, genetics, or anthropology. Be that as it may, I found his ideas highly intriguing, and a reading of this book reveals him to be completely unlike most of the recent spate of speculative (and very silly) pseudoarchaeologists, concerned as they are with finding Atlantis or some other vision of a long-lost but highly advanced ancient civilization. Unlike the "work" of Rand Flem-Ath or Graham Hancock, what is presented here at least seems reasonable and worthy of intelligent debate. Not the least of the reasons for this is the fact that Oppenheimer is arguing for the existence of an influential neolithic culture, not an enlightened antediluvian civilization. Much of what he argues could still be wrong, and probably is, but at least something interesting might come of the discussion.

The drawbacks of this book are mostly editorial: Oppenheimer is not a gifted writer, and the prose is sometimes tortured enough to give pause. Additionally, the book as a whole, especially the second half dealing with comparative mythology, is entirely too long. I found myself nearly nodding off during the recitations of various "dying-and-rising-tree-god" myths from around the islands of southeast Asia. Beyond this, little attention seems to be paid to the provenance of the many myths recounted in this book; one wonders if the "warring brothers" (Cain and Abel) or Adam and Eve stories in southeast Asia could not have been introduced by Christian missionaries, despite Oppenheimer's protestations. Overall, though, this is a book worth reading, or at least skimming.


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The beginning of human civilization as you learned it in school goes like this:

Human beings (homo sapiens) have been around for some 100,000 years, give or take. Until about six or seven thousand years ago, after the end of the most recent ice age, humans were a bunch of wandering hunter-gatherers. They made some great cave paintings, but other than that and a few gnawed bones, they made nothing and left nothing behind. Then, when the ice age ended, they spontaneously dropped their fur cloaks, stopped hunting woolly mammoths and invented agriculture, the wheel, cuneiform, beer, and everything else that makes up civilization.

The problem with this picture, of course, is that the ice age didn't cover the entire earth with ice -- just some of the parts we live on now. And because there was so much more ice, there was less water, and sea levels were some 100-odd meters lower than at present.

So all the best land, the fertile, coastal land, during the ice age -- the era immediately preceeding the first great civilizations of the near easy -- is now underwater.

In _Eden in the East_, Oppenheimer focuses on the great Sunda Shelf in southeast Asia, which in the last ice age was a continent-sized land mass (now sometimes called "Sundaland"). His thesis is that the great civilizations of the near east did not spring whole cloth from the soil, but were founded, or informed, or guided, by refugees from the east, refugees fleeing the great destruction of their homeland with the submergence of the Sunda Shelf.

He argues for his thesis on the basis of genetic, linguistic and mythological studies, all appearing to show a diffusion of culture and people from some prehistoric Sundaland home. The arguments are varied and interesting, maybe even compelling. Certainly they are worth reading.

But they are also very difficult to read. This is a dense book, almost five hundred pages in the edition I have and written in a fairly dry, scholarly tone. So read it, but be warned.

If you're interested in the argument that human prehistory is to be sought in the lands that sank beneath the waves at the end of the last ice age, check out Graham Hancock's book _Underworld_ (already published here in the UK and coming to America soon). Hancock does not focus exclusively on Sundaland, but his arguments and evidences are complementary to those adduced by Oppenheimer. Hancock is less scholarly and more chronological in his approach; _Underworld_ is all first person and very readable.


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I loved this book! It clearly and concisely cites evidence for the origin of civilization in the now flooded lowlands of Southeast Asia under the South China Sea. The types of evidence considered are: geological evidence of great floods, linguistic and genetic evidence of dispersion, and mythological evidence of floods and dispersion. I thoroughly enjoyed the sections on geological, linguistic and genetic evidence. The mythological section was long, complicated and labored; and there was almost no summary and conclusion. Hence my four-star rating. This is the only book I know of on the subject and I highly recommend it.

The book badly needed additional chapters reinterpreting world history in light of the evidence that civilization began in Southeast Asia, and spread outward along equatorial sealanes driven by the monsoons. I would have enjoyed a chapter closely comparing Plato's discription of Atlantis with the archeological and other evidence of early SE Asian civilization. Perhaps Doctor Oppenheimer could write a follow on volume to cover these points.


It seems the book is not a very easy one to read, many make references to Graham Hancock's Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization
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I agree that Willian Henry Scot's books are a MUST READ. Him and Pol kekai manansala as one of the starting points that I got interested in Prehispanic Philippines, that I learned about the Tome Pires' account about the people of Luzon trading and holding important positions in Malacca, etc.

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... a book by Stephen Oppenheimer titled Eden in the East: The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia

Along the same lines are the books by Pol Kekai manansala...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-h...aul%20Manansala
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Author Paul Kekai Manansala has researched ancient and medieval history for decades traveling to far corners of the world for clues about little-known ancient maritime voyaging and oceanic trade networks. He has collaborated and corresponded with recognized experts like Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, author of Eden in the East and archaeologist Wilhelm Solheim in developing this ground-breaking study.

Manansala's book Quests of the Dragon and Bird Clan explores the history of an ancient maritime trade thalassocracy founded by peoples called Nusantao.

The Nusantao were intrepid seafaring people who learned to master celestial navigation in very early times. These oceanic adventurers interacted with other peoples included the Neolithic Yayoi who the author suggests used Nusantao trade routes in migrating to Japan.
Catastrophic events like sea flooding and volcanoes stimulated Nusantao exploration and migration further and further abroad. In the course of these wide-ranging travels, Manansala suggests that these sea explorers altered history in wide-ranging areas in ways never before explored.

For example, he claims that the legendary king Prester John of the Indies was an historical and not-so-legendary Nusantao king. Also he provides evidence that the Holy Grail, which most medieval texts claim came from, and returned to the Indies, was related to Nusantao spiritual culture.

Quests of the Dragon and Bird Clan has one-of-a-kind insights that you will not find any other history book!


Btw a very good review of the Oppenheimer's book...
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html

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One of the many insulting epithets thrown at AIT disbelievers is that they are no better than "Atlantis freaks". Actually, this is not entirely untrue. Some AIT skeptics who have applied their minds to reconstructing ancient history, have indeed thought of centres of human habitation in locations now well below sea-level. When Proto-Indo-European was spoken, the sea level was still recovering from the low point it had reached during the Ice Age, about 100 metres lower than the present level. It was in the period of roughly twelve to seven thousand years ago that the icecaps melted and replenished the seas, so that numerous low-lying villages had to be abandoned.

After all, it is a safe bet that more than half of mankind lived in the zone of less than 100 m above sea level. In the context of the present debate on global warming, it is said that a rise in sea level of just one metre would be an immense catastrophe for countries like Bangla Desh or the Netherlands. The Maledives would completely disappear with a rise of only a few metres. But more importantly, most big population centres today are located just above sea level: Tokyo, Shanghai, Kolkata, Mumbai, London, New York, Los Angeles etc. If the sea level would rise 100 m, most population centres including entire countries would become a sunken continent, a very real Atlantis. Consequently, there is nothing far-fetched in assuming the existence of population centres and cultures, 10 or 15 thousand years ago, in what are now submarine locations on the continental shelf outside our coastlines.

In a recent book, Eden in the East: the Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia (Phoenix paperback, London 1999 (1998)), Stephen Oppenheimer has focused on one such part of the continental shelf: the region between Malaysia, Sumatra, Java, Borneo, Thailand, Vietnam, China and Taiwan, which was largely inhabitable during the Ice Age. Thinking that this was then the most advanced centre of civilization, he calls it Eden, the Biblical name of Paradise (from Sumerian edin, "alluvial plain"), because West-Asian sources including the Bible do locate the origin of mankind or at least of civilization in the East. In some cases, as in Sumerian references, this "East" is clearly the pre-Harappan and Harappan culture, but even more easterly countries seem to be involved.

Oppenheimer is a medical doctor who has lived in Southeast Asia for decades. He is clearly influenced by Marxism, e.g. where he dismisses religion as a means to "control other people's labour", with explicit reference to Karl Marx's Das Kapital (p.483). His book is based on solid scientific research (genetic, anthropological, linguistic and archaeological), and is in that respect very different from the numerous Atlantis books which draw on "revelations" and "channeling".

The most airy type of evidence, in its massiveness nonetheless quite compelling, is comparative mythology: numerous cultures, and especialy those in the Asia-Pacific zone, have highly parallel myths of one or more floods. These are not opaque allusions to Freudian events in the subconscious but plainly historical references to the catastrophic moments in the otherwise long-drawn-out rise of the sea level after the Ice Age. For, indeed, this rise was not a continuous process but took place with occasional spurts, wiping out entire tribes living near the coast. The last such sudden rise took place ca. 5500 BC, after which the sea level fell back a few metres to the present level.

According to Oppenheimer, the Southeast-Asian Atlantis, provisionally called Sundaland because it now is the Sunda shelf, was the world leader in the Neolithic Revolution (start of agriculture), using stones for grinding wild grains as early as 24,000 ago, more than ten thousand years older than in Egypt or Palestine. Before and especially during the gradual flooding of their lowland, the Sundalanders spread out to neighbouring lands: the Asian mainland including China, India and Mesopotamia, and the island world from Madagascar to the Philippines and New Guinea, whence they later colonized Polynesia as far as Easter Island, Hawaii and New Zealand.

Oppenheimer aligns with the archaeologists against the linguists in the controversy about the homeland of the Austronesian language family (Malay, Tagalog, Maori, Malgasy etc.): he locates it in Sundaland and its upper regions which now make up the coasts of the Southeast-Asian countries, whereas most linguists maintain that southern China was the land of origin. Part of the argument concerns chronology: Oppenheimer proposes a higher chronology than Peter Bellwood and other out-of-China theorists. My experience with IE studies makes me favour a higher chronology, for new findings (e.g. that "pre-IE" peoples like the Pelasgians and the Etruscans, not to speak of the Harappans, turn out to have been earlier "Aryan" settlers) have consistently been pushing the date of the fragmentation of PIE back into the past.

Another reason for not relying too much on the theories of the linguists is that Austronesian linguistics is a very demanding field, comprising the study of hundreds of small languages most of which have no literature, so the number of genuine experts is far smaller than in the case of IE, and even in the latter case linguists are nowhere near a consensus on the homeland question. Linguistic evidence is very soft evidence, and usually the data admit of more than one historical reconstruction, so I don't think there is any compelling evidence against a Sundaland homeland hypothesis. Conversely, archaeological and genetic evidence in favour of the spread of the Austronesian-speaking populations from Sundaland seems to be sufficient.

It is quite certain that some of these Austronesians must have landed in India, some on their way to Madagascar, some to stay and mix with the natives. Hence the presence of some Austronesian words in Indian languages of all families, most prominently ayi/bayi, "mother" (as in the Marathi girls' names Tarabai, Lakshmi-bai etc.), or words for "bamboo", "fruit", "honey". More spectacularly, linguists like Isidore Dyen have discerned a considerable common vocabulary in the core lexicon of Austronesian and Indo-European, including pronouns, numerals (e.g. Malay dva, "two") and terms for the elements. Oppenheimer doesn't go into this question, but diehard invasionists might use his findings to suggest an Aryan invasion into India not from the northwest, but from the southeast.

But he does mention the legend of Manu Vaivasvata saving his company from the flood and sailing up the rivers of India to settle high and dry in Saptasindhu. Clearly, the origins of Vedic civilization are related to the post-Glacial flood, probably the single biggest migration trigger in human history.

The Tamils have a tradition that their poets' academy or Sangam existed for ten thousand years, and that its seat (along with the entire Tamil capital) had to be moved thrice because of the rising sea level. They also believe that their country once stretched far to the south, including Sri Lanka and the Maledives, a lost Tamil continent called Kumarikhandam. If these legends turn out to match the geological evidence quite neatly, our academics would be wrong to dismiss them as figments of the imagination. But the Indian or Kumarikhandam counterpart to Oppenheimer's book on Sundaland has yet to be written. This indeed is probably the most important practical conclusion to be drawn from this book: extend India's history by thousands of years with the exploration of now-submarine population centres.

Another language family originating in some part of Sundaland was Austro-Asiatic, which includes the Mon-Khmer languages in Indochina (its demographic point of gravity being Vietnam) but also Nicobarese and the Munda languages of Chotanagpur, at one time possibly spoken throughout the Ganga basin. It is the Mundas who brought rice cultivation from Southeast Asia to the Ganga basin, whence it reached the Indus Valley towards the end of the Harappan age (ca. 2300 BC). In this connection, it is worth noting that Oppenheimer confirms that "barley cultivation was developed in the Indus Valley" (p.19), barley being the favourite crop of the Vedic Aryans (yava). Unlike the Mundas who brought rice cultivation from eastern India and ultimately from Southeast Asia to northwestern India, and unlike the Indo-European Kurgan people whose invasion into Europe can be followed by means of traces of the crops they imported (esp. millet), the Vedic Aryans simply used the native produce. This doesn't prove but certainly supports the suspicion that the Aryans were native to the Indus Valley.

Concerning the political polemic, the usual claim that the caste system with its sharp discrimination was instituted by the invading Aryans to entrench their supremacy is countered by the finding that even the most isolated tribes on India's hills turn out to have strict endogamy rules, often guarded with more severe punishments for inter-tribal love affairs than exist in Sanskritic-Hindu society. Here, Oppenheimer confirms that in the Austro-Asiatic and Austrone-sian tribal societies, where many of India's tribals originate, inequality is deeply entrenched: "Yet the class structure which cripples Britain more than any other European state, is as nothing compared with the stratified hierarchies in Austronesian traditional societies from Madagascar through Bali to Samoa. (...) This consciousness of rank is thus clearly not something that was only picked up by Austronesian societies from later Indian influence." (p.484) Social hierarchy is not a racialist imposition by the Aryans, but a near-universal phenomenon especially pronounced among Indo-Pacific societies including most non-Aryan populations.

Stephen Oppenheimer makes a very detailed and very strong case for the importance of the culture of sunken Sundaland for the later cultures in the wide surroundings. India too certainly benefited of certain achievements imported from there. What is yet missing is a similar study for the equally important and likewise neglected culture of the sunken lands outside India's coast.
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QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jan 15 2012, 07:00 PM) *
I agree that Willian Henry Scot's books are a MUST READ. Him and Pol kekai manansala as one of the starting points that I got interested in Prehispanic Philippines, that I learned about the Tome Pires' account about the people of Luzon trading and holding important positions in Malacca, etc.


Along the same lines are the books by Pol Kekai manansala...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-h...aul%20Manansala


Btw a very good review of the Oppenheimer's book...
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html


Yeah I've read that one, even more evidence of ISEA being "Eden" as well as the dispersal point of Y-DNA K carriers to settle throughout the world.

Did you already do a thread on ISEA being Eden? I could have sworn I saw a specific thread on it here but now I can't find it... I ask because I'm trying to convince a friend of mine who was skeptic of this that it's not as far fetched as most would assume. So I'm trying to compile a lot of easy to digest but still convincing evidence I can show him next time I see him.

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QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Jan 17 2012, 09:07 AM) *
Yeah I've read that one, even more evidence of ISEA being "Eden" as well as the dispersal point of Y-DNA K carriers to settle throughout the world.

Did you already do a thread on ISEA being Eden? I could have sworn I saw a specific thread on it here but now I can't find it... I ask because I'm trying to convince a friend of mine who was skeptic of this that it's not as far fetched as most would assume. So I'm trying to compile a lot of easy to digest but still convincing evidence I can show him next time I see him.



You know, I have found that when introducing a new concept, you have to be careful not to overwhelm a person, especially if they are biased against it. Try introducing it little by little, do it 1st by showing him, not in a pushy way, that there was more to Prehispanic Philippines than meets the eye. Get him the Barangay book. Then if he becomes more open after reading it, buy him a fancy traditional sungka (with 7 small slots, not 6 ha!), compile articles in prehispanic Filipino counting, & print the pdf of the article on sungka calculator, all in 1 compiled book. This would make him think that Filipino counting was highly visual-spatial, very advanced form of calculating IMO. But do it little by little & be patient, don't push him. Introduce him to more superior Filipino Klasik films. If he doesn't speak nor understand Filipino, show him this documentary on baybayin:

baybayin barong & iphone
baybayin tattoos

Then show him this to shame him, in a subtle way that foreigners are learning the language & writing, when many ethnic Filipinos don't care nor are even aware of them: Amerikanong Dayuhan nagtuturo ng Baybayin

But IMO, I don't think you can really learn how to write in baybayin if you don't know any Filipino languages, because baybayin depends on abakada system that they wouldn't be aware of if they didn't know Filipino.

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QUOTE (nenabunena @ Jan 17 2012, 09:04 AM) *
You know, I have found that when introducing a new concept, you have to be careful not to overwhelm a person, especially if they are biased against it. Try introducing it little by little, do it 1st by showing him, not in a pushy way, that there was more to Prehispanic Philippines than meets the eye. Get him the Barangay book. Then if he becomes more open after reading it, buy him a fancy traditional sungka (with 7 small slots, not 6 ha!), compile articles in prehispanic Filipino counting, & print the pdf of the article on sungka calculator, all in 1 compiled book. This would make him think that Filipino counting was highly visual-spatial, very advanced form of calculating IMO. But do it little by little & be patient, don't push him. Introduce him to more superior Filipino Klasik films. If he doesn't speak nor understand Filipino, show him this documentary on baybayin:

baybayin barong & iphone
baybayin tattoos

Then show him this to shame him, in a subtle way that foreigners are learning the language & writing, when many ethnic Filipinos don't care nor are even aware of them: Amerikanong Dayuhan nagtuturo ng Baybayin

But IMO, I don't think you can really learn how to write in baybayin if you don't know any Filipino languages, because baybayin depends on abakada system that they wouldn't be aware of if they didn't know Filipino.


Very true. That's why I was looking for things that are short, easy to read and very convincing. It's not like he's totally against it, he's just skeptical like I was at first.

For sure, I'll let him borrow both books after I read them.
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QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Jan 18 2012, 03:52 AM) *
Very true. That's why I was looking for things that are short, easy to read and very convincing. It's not like he's totally against it, he's just skeptical like I was at first.

For sure, I'll let him borrow both books after I read them.



I understand AK, I'm also looking for easy mass consumption books on prehispanic Philippines. Barangay is a good book, I wish there was more out there that was easily digestible. LOL! My whole strategy with introducing people into new things, that's all thanks to Star Trek! I'm a huge ST fan & the grandness of the show can be intimidating & overwhelming so I have these little strategies kung baga! icon_redface.gif embarassedlaugh.gif icon_redface.gif
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QUOTE (nenabunena @ Jan 17 2012, 04:40 PM) *
I understand AK, I'm also looking for easy mass consumption books on prehispanic Philippines. Barangay is a good book, I wish there was more out there that was easily digestible. LOL! My whole strategy with introducing people into new things, that's all thanks to Star Trek! I'm a huge ST fan & the grandness of the show can be intimidating & overwhelming so I have these little strategies kung baga! icon_redface.gif embarassedlaugh.gif icon_redface.gif


Yeah, I'm also a Star Trek fan and huge undercover Star Wars fan. embarassedlaugh.gif

Right? you can't put too much on it. I've been accused of being "crazy" before, so I try and take it easy.

I think I might buy a comic version of both! Awesome that they thought to put those into print!

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QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Jan 18 2012, 11:18 AM) *
Yeah, I'm also a Star Trek fan and huge undercover Star Wars fan. embarassedlaugh.gif

Right? you can't put too much on it. I've been accused of being "crazy" before, so I try and take it easy.

I think I might buy a comic version of both! Awesome that they thought to put those into print!



You know, I never understood this ST vs SW in America, what gives? Why can't you like both scifi serials? I like SW too though am more attached to ST since I grew up watching that show. It was almost like a 2nd parent!

I'm happy they have the comic versions too! I hope it makes Philippine literature & the Filipino language more accessible to people.
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QUOTE (nenabunena @ Jan 20 2012, 10:58 AM) *
You know, I never understood this ST vs SW in America, what gives? Why can't you like both scifi serials? I like SW too though am more attached to ST since I grew up watching that show. It was almost like a 2nd parent!

I'm happy they have the comic versions too! I hope it makes Philippine literature & the Filipino language more accessible to people.


Me either it's a stupid rivalry IMO. I think most fans do actually like both but would never admit it.

Star Trek night with the family was a big deal growing up as a kid. embarassedlaugh.gif One thing I always loved about Star Trek was that there was so much material with the shows and movies. For Star Trek you have 3 (good) movies and after that mostly novels and video games.

Yeah man, I'm actually going to order those comics for my godson! Thanks again.
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Me either it's a stupid rivalry IMO. I think most fans do actually like both but would never admit it.

Star Trek night with the family was a big deal growing up as a kid. embarassedlaugh.gif One thing I always loved about Star Trek was that there was so much material with the shows and movies. For Star Trek you have 3 (good) movies and after that mostly novels and video games.

Yeah man, I'm actually going to order those comics for my godson! Thanks again.



Hey.....!!!!! ST6 was actually my favorite ST movie, I thought that the TOS movies were better than the latter movies & I actually liked ST5, not ST1 though, so I thought the OST ST had 4-5 good movies while I liked First Contact in the latter movies. Insurrection was good also I thought. The new one was ok, it gets better the 2nd time you watch it. I hope the new ones get even better. I don't read the novels or play video games though.
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QUOTE (nenabunena @ Jan 20 2012, 02:55 PM) *
Hey.....!!!!! ST6 was actually my favorite ST movie, I thought that the TOS movies were better than the latter movies & I actually liked ST5, not ST1 though, so I thought the OST ST had 4-5 good movies while I liked First Contact in the latter movies. Insurrection was good also I thought. The new one was ok, it gets better the 2nd time you watch it. I hope the new ones get even better. I don't read the novels or play video games though.


I really liked the new Star Trek movie and supposedly the upcoming one is shaping up to be even better! I was really into the Next Generation era movies. I haven't seen all of the Shatner movies but I enjoyed "Wrath of Khan".

I've read a few Star Wars novels and some of the comic books. It's really insane how obsessed with Star Wars some people are though.
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QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Jan 21 2012, 05:10 AM) *
I really liked the new Star Trek movie and supposedly the upcoming one is shaping up to be even better! I was really into the Next Generation era movies. I haven't seen all of the Shatner movies but I enjoyed "Wrath of Khan".

I've read a few Star Wars novels and some of the comic books. It's really insane how obsessed with Star Wars some people are though.
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I grew up watching TNG & had very fond memories of it but a few years ago, my brother & I tried to rewatch it after ENT & we were very disappointed. It's like one of those memories you had in your childhood of a fun great movie, ie. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but watching it again, it becomes a disappointment because it did not age well. My favorite ST show is DS9. I really recommend you try to do a ST marathon of the original movies, starting from 2/3, whichever you prefer (though if you rewatch ST2, I recommend you Watch Amok Time from the Original Star Trek, it's just 1 episode but very good & sets up TWOK).

Do you read manga as well?

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